Koopmeiners isn't a worldbeater though is he? Think Atalanta is pretty much his level. A level he never manages to hit at the national team sadly, where he has been excusively shite (aside from 1 cheeky free kick against Argentina).
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
So you would want to be stuck with a mediocre player not playing in his strong position. While we went for Weghorst, now we have a new striker who is just 20 and will be playing in his natural position. Short term pain, long term gain and all that.
This has nothing to do with Rasmus, who I’m ecstatic about. Just that Gakpo was seen as a striker by both us and Liverpool and I wouldn’t have minded signing him given the fee was pretty low.
I also thought he was pretty solid for Liverpool, even if he’s not a superstar. And given how few quality finishers are in our squad he could have helped in the run in
What? Is he amazing all of a sudden? “phenomenal” even? Last I heard he was shite?
Of course it’s silly season, where Chelsea and Liverpool have all the best players in the World again
Probably like when Veron became the World’s best midfielder again after that US tour, and then we promptly sold the flop to Chelsea, only to watch him flop again there.
Yup. Utterly random bump. WTF?
if he was that good, there would be rumours of him being picked for the 1970s brazil team. the kind of rumours i’m starting about rasmus.
I think he's really good. Technically excellent. Some of his passing and touch is much better than I thought it'd be when I saw this gangly figure coming from Dutch football. I think he could have a real breakout.
I’d start him with Salah in the front three most of the time. Much more about him than Nunez has.
I’d lean more towards Jota than Diaz personally. Better eye for goal and he finished last season well.
I’d lean more towards Jota than Diaz personally. Better eye for goal and he finished last season well.
Brazil football team, i hope?
Wish we got him.
This one is really frustrating, he was just so obviously a very good player and so easily gettable at a good price. Liverpool fans must love the Glazers.
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I am not claiming to be an expert in all aspects of football. But Dutch players I’m very good with spotting those that make the transition from Eredivise and those that won’t. If that rubs you up the wrong way (pun intended) then just don’t read it.
If you have something meaningful to contribute regarding my views on Koopmeiners or Gakpo then I’d be very happy to stroke yours if the post is good enough but I suspect you would consider a head rub demeaning.
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When have I ever said he was? But he’s absolutely a quality player that has another step up in him. Atalanta will find it hard to keep a hold of him given his goalscoring from midfield and overall creativity are above all but Barella in Serie A. He’s been instrumental for Atalanta given a freer role to created with his passing and has really developed into a leader as he was for AZ.
The NT performances have been subdued but that is as much to do with the role he’s given within a more rigid system than it is his personal quality.
No idea, you brought him up
Curious what your thoughts are on Boadu and Simons at the moment? Will they fulfill their promise and make the next step?
He looked like a player with no outstanding qualities at all when he first joined.
Now he looks top quality and only getting better. Love watching him play. Impressive turnaround.
Now he looks top quality and only getting better. Love watching him play. Impressive turnaround.
Annoyingly, I think he'll have a good season for them and will turn out to be a good/great player over time. I'm not fully convinced that he would have done it for us or been what we need, but he'll work for them, I imagine. That's the way it goes, sometimes.
What have you seen that makes you really frustrated that we didn't get him? All of a sudden he's a mercurial talent. He was underwhelming as feck last season.
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As I said before Boadu will have an ok career compared to Koopmeiners though I’d be surprised if he become a top player for a top European side. His move to Monaco has been underwhelming partly due to injury and just struggling to adapt. He’s a poacher that relies on pace and did well with Slot previously in a system that played to his strengths. A reunion might be on the cards and if so I’d expect him to score well again in Eredivise but we might have seen his level now and I don’t think he’ll make it big time now.
As for Simons he was a well above average technician in Eredivise and has added goal threat to his game. He’s more creative and much more explosive this year too. I think this year he’s finally grown into his body a bit and has shown the work rate defensively is there as well as the on the ball ability. He looks like a player that for me should be able to play for a very good European side as a starter and I’d expect his loan to Leipzig to go well. He has all the intelligence and quality needed to succeed so it will for me just come down to physical concerns. He’s grown a lot in the last year or so and adapting to that new body in more physically demanding environments may prove a challenge.
So TLDR:
Boadu No (not without being in a system designed for him to poach)
Simons Yes (given time to develop physically a bit more)
Was he? He got 7 goals and a few assists in half a season and was generally very tidy at linking play. Hardly that underwhelming considering he was coming from Dutch football to the PL and they took a long time to get going last season. I'd wager we're going to see a pretty good season this year with that experience under his belt.
hes average… next
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And people say you can’t have a good debate in the mains!
no different than saying trust me in two paragraphs.
I’ve not seen anything consistently Impressive for a top side
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Bit different if you’ve been active in conversation about those players previously.
What about him doesn’t impress? Or more to the point what would you expect him to do to be impressive?
No idea what’s going on, did he do something awesome in pre-season?
Can barely be arsed watching our own preseason games. Who the feck is watching Liverpool’s?!
Liverpool fans I’d say.
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Phenomenal effort
And who is calling anyone ”phenomenal” off the back of some pre season performance
This bump has weirded me out.
Yeah, seemed like he turned into a golden boot winner during….preseason ffsWhat? Is he amazing all of a sudden? “phenomenal” even? Last I heard he was shite?
Of course it’s silly season, where Chelsea and Liverpool have all the best players in the World again
Probably like when Veron became the World’s best midfielder again after that US tour, and then we promptly sold the flop to Chelsea, only to watch him flop again there.
Not sure I said he was a mercurial talent. Just quickly checked and no I didn't.
He's an extremely well rounded and versitile forward with good physicality who has goals in him. Already has 9 goal involvments in 17 starts in the Premier League despite taking a few games to settle.
Considering our backup striker for the next season will either be Martial or Sancho I'd say he would have been a snip at 35m. Especially as Ten Hag wanted him and the market for attacking players is dire.
Just checked and they got beat 3-4 today by Bayern with just 39% possession.
But he scored the first goal, so obviously he’s a World beater.
Same Liverpool fans were saying 2 legit goals should have been offside. Ignore them.
Seemingly a few of our own fans, shitting on the club again for not signing this “mercurial” and “phenomenal” player
FFS
I had it down as “at least a hat trick” for this bump to have happened! Maybe silent domination?Literally no one has called him mercurial. You lot are acting like there are swarthes of people in this thread talking about him like he is the reincarnation of Ronaldo.
Rashford had 22 goal involvements in 32 starts, despite a horror start to the season, and is likely to be our backup striker.
Forgive me if I don’t see the issue with losing out on a far inferior backup.
Flop
I'd personally prefer Rashford-Gakpo-Anthony above Garnacho-Raahford-Anthony as a backup front 3 given the option.
The ball sticks a lot more as Gakpo is better at link up play and with his back to goal whilst also not missing out on Rashford's goals and you'd assume gaining some with Gakpo.
Just makes us a better squad for a reasonable price.