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Use your brain, I implore you. Just once. Please, I beg you.
That applies to most corporations, decisions on these sorts of things tend to be made by marketing types who know feck all about actual websites
Thread reaches a new low when theres no news
So you think killing those 190 innocent people was warranted, basically so thay they get to kill guilty people rather than send them to jail. The death penalty is never warranted, because there's always the chance of killing someone innocent and you can't bring them back to life when they're exonerated
It warms my heart to know you follow my posting activity so closely Robbie.
Seriously though you're saying I'm seeing what I want to see, how so?
I'm making an observation, that being that a lot of pro Qatar posters are spending a lot of time putting every negative spin they can think of on the Ineos bid but not putting the same effort into the Jassim bid.
Are you saying that isn't happening?
Not hard to see the same posters pop up time and again tbh.
I'm saying it's happening on both 'sides', but you're choosing to point one out.
Some people get quite annoyed when it is pointed out that some MIddle East countries are among the most barbaric and repressive on the planet. Like it's racist to quote Amnesty.
That said most of us are OK with the club being owned by them so that's that. It's not like football is a moral undertaking any more. It's only values are greed and power.
Use. Your. Brain. Connect the dots. Take the extremely clear hint I'm giving you. Stop getting the simplest things in the world wrong.
Well to be fair the US and the Uk changed and that change didn't come about because Western countries started buying footballs clubs and companies in other parts of the world.
That's just what you say to justify your lack of principles. Based on nothing like a daily mail article because it suits.
Tell you what, why don't you use your brain and type your fecking point out instead of expecting me to be a mind reader, the death penalty is never warranted, ever. But we don't ostracise america for still having it
Oh dear
No, obviously things do progress over time, but change will likely be a lot faster if the next generation grows up with cultural alignment with more tolerant cultures than being totally insular
These personal arguments are getting more tedious than the lack of Glazer’s decision making.
No, I'm trying to give you at least a minimum amount of credit. What can my position on the death penalty in America possibly be? What could I conceivably think about a US state takeover of football clubs?
Russia seems to have gone the other way despite everything in the last 20 years.
Never said it wasn't.
But in that case then please enlighten me as to what I'm seeing that isn't there then?
I'm not talking about a US state takeover, I'm talking about the close ties between our countries, our militaries training together. The president visiting our country and the prime minister visiting there's. There's no outcry from people like Wumminator, who said the Saudis should feck off until they stop executing people, I have never heard the same complaints about our clos cultural ties with America. Not to mention between super PACs and the amount of donations senators and the like receive, and subsidies large businesses receive in America, that while there isn't quite the same symbiotic relationship between government and private business that exists in these oil states, they certainly aren't entirely independent from one another
My dad was probably the most racist person I’ve ever known. He was awful, to the point where I was totally embarrassed about my mates meeting him. I grew up in a multicultural environment and had friends from different cultural backgrounds. I know his racism came from his experiences growing up in Moss Side/Withington during the 1940s/50s and I get it, but it was was just circumstances at that particular time, but we move on, for the better. Hopefully this is the case for Middle Eastern countries.
I'd say the people in Russia are probably somewhat more tolerant than in the 90s, when it was the soviet Union etc. I suppose part of the issue is that its possible for a cultural to become more progressive and tolerant, while also remaining autocratic and intolerant of any dissent of the regime.
Seems righteous keyboard warriors still out in full force.
Never said it wasn't.
But in that case then please enlighten me as to what I'm seeing that isn't there then?
When you relentlessly post one viewpoint on a public forum, it's hard not to miss, especially in a thread as active as this one.
Not sure why you're pointing out one sides biases when you admit it's happening on both sides
Personally, I'm completely indifferent to all of this as my connection to the club and the sport in general is far smaller than it was when I was younger, but you're quite clearly being obtuse about this.
There is a marked difference between the enforcement of a death penalty in the US and the degree in which it is enforced in nations such as Saudi Arabia.
Jumping hoops over your assumption that I'm fine with the death penalty in the US, you're too transparent.
This is all in the context of football. Wumminator isn't talking about either Saudi or American military exercises, or governmental visits. It has never happened. Super PACs are for American internal politics, have you ever heard Wumminator criticising Saudi politicians for how they spend campaign money? You're just making things up as you go along, this is so stupid. Make an effort.
Well that's what I think, that people who grow up in homogenous cultures, who don't know any gay people or any black people but just hear from their parents that these people are bad and have nothing to counter that likely turn out the same way themselves, whereas people growing up seeing people with different skin colour, beliefs or seuxality, interacting with these people makes them less likely to be intolerant. And I think a closer cultural alignment with the west will have a similar effect, not on people who are adults in these countries now but the next generation and especially the one after that
Isn't that exactly what you're doing here ?When you relentlessly post one viewpoint on a public forum, it's hard not to miss, especially in a thread as active as this one.
Not sure why you're pointing out one sides biases when you admit it's happening on both sides
My point about the super PACs is that private businessmen in America have close links with the government, can be influential regarding policy, but people here claim that they'd have no issue with a rich American billionaire buying us because its not the state, but they are more closely linked than you might imagine.
No? I haven't publicly stated who I back, or if I want either of them. So, I'm not being biased or belittling anyones stance; whether they want SJR or SJ. But as a keen reader of this thread, I can say that both sides talk absolute shite and repeat themselves every hour. There's very, very little good posting in here.
But, people making out anyone that favours Qatar have all these biases - is correct - but its weird as it totally ignores the biases on from the SJR crowd.
Yes, but then you're talking about a difference of degree rather than actual difference in principle. No one is denying the Saudi state is worse than these other places, but I don't think telling them to feck off is going to improve things, I think cultural alignment with more tolerant cultures will
Not sure why you're pointing out one sides biases when you admit it's happening on both sides
Well at that stage there are a lot more Pro Qatar posters so we are seeing a lot more of that side biases, I was simply highlighting how they aren't asking the same questions of the Jassim bid.
But anyway Robbie getting back to the question, I'm genuinely interested, what am I seeing that wasn't there? You said I'm seeing what I want to see? What was that again?
Other than a few somewhat conflicting reports the other day, there hasn't been news in a long time.
Not sure I wholly agree with the circumstances bit, my dad grew up in the same time period in West Gorton, his parents were racist no question, he joined the Navy and ended up serving in Malta for a while, on a trip home his mum slammed the door in his face because he had a serious suntan and she couldn't possibly envisage her son with that skin color, one of his sisters had to let him in the house, he's definitely not a racist, when I was a teenager we lived next door to a West Indian family, they'd sit outside having a beer together
At this point I think you need to take a step back and evaluate what exactly it is you're arguing for.
For one, the Saudis aren't even involved.
The problem here is a few posters in particular are either missing the point deliberately or are being disingenuous.
Nobody is suggesting that buying a football club will solve everybody's problems.
What it does is brings more exposure and more eyes and ears onto a topic or sensitive issue such as this one.
The simple fact is that it's more likely to improve things rather than deteriorate them.
Well at that stage there are a lot more Pro Qatar posters so we are seeing a lot more of that side biases, I was simply highlighting how they aren't asking the same questions of the Jassim bid.
But anyway Robbie getting back to the question, I'm genuinely interested, what am I seeing that wasn't there? You said I'm seeing what I want to see? What was that again?
Think you need to re-read your initial post lad. You've admitted there's biases on both sides so I'm glad you aren't blind enough to admit that. Job done.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that every single person will grow up to be racist without multiculturalism, just that experience of other cultures, likely makes you more tolerant, everything else being equal
Could we not keep morality posts to the “would you be ok with state ownership” thread instead of also spamming this thread with it?
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