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Club Sale | It’s done!
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I used the Saudis as an example because since they've begun investing in the West and seeking closer cultural ties, women have been granted quite a lot of rights they didnt have before, so it shows how these closer ties start moving things in the right direction. Its not going to be overnight, but it will change things over time
This has to be a parody. My advice: the best thing you can do for the image of the Qatari takeover is to stop.
That's a stretch.
I'm convinced that if the club website announced the sale you'd comment saying that we need to wait for another source to confirm it
Well I wouldn't agree with killing the Russian head of state as it likely would spark nuclear war for the west to do that, but assuming that Russia deposed him and that wasn't a worry, then no, he should spend the rest of his life in jail, for me that's more suffering than immediate death anyway
Debatable if that’s a ‘fact’. It’s just a debate I have zero interest in having
I'm convinced that if the club website announced the sale you'd comment saying that we need to wait for another source to confirm it
If the club confirm it, then it would be official. If Reuters or AFP report two different things, along withe Times and one or two others, then its still a situation of conflicting reports, as the thread title states.
You're too transparent.Debatable if that’s a ‘fact’. It’s just a debate I have zero interest in having
True.
The only real plot points in this story were 7 months ago when the Glazers announced an interest to sell, and later, the emergence of Qatar and INEOS as the two primary contenders. Everything else is noise.
News yes. Whether it’s real or not is open to interpretation!
Not sure they did.
Eh?!
Maybe, I have no idea whether he was exposed of not, probably not until he joined up, which he did to get away from his father, later on they reconciled, but secretly I bet my dad was pleased when I decided to support United because that really pissed off my Grandad who was a massive City fan (as is my Dad and his brother)
Do I? Ok maybe I'm confused let's rewind mate.
I'll ask a 3rd time here mate. You're a keen observer so should have no trouble answering.
What was I seeing that I wanted to see that wasn't there?
There's more separation than in the oil states but most rich people help shape the laws in their countries
Still it's off topic, my original point was even though I do find the death penalty morally wrong, I don't think isolating these countries will improve things for the people living there, I don't think it'll stop people being executed there, and I think that morally, the practical outcomes for people living in these places should take precedent over wumminator feeling uncomfortable that these people own a football club
The Reuters piece was one of "something has happened", where as AFP's was closer to "feck all has happened". Neither were in any way corroborating of the other.
Most of it is, as Trump would say, fake news!
I've explained already buddy; the biases are on both sides with the same energy and relentless posters. Not sure what you're not getting here.
Stevoc, as much as you might want to win another internet debate by the power of being a massive pedant who loves to bold things, this one is clear cut. Anyway, I'll go back to being an observer, glad I could help though.
The Qatari response to the AFP was "no comment" the same as everyone else but Reuters (who broke the story) and RMC (who independently verified it with their own sources).
You been out on the town in that see-through frock again?Eh?!
Agree that it's like Groundhog day in here and there is hypocrisy on both sides. But don't you feel like some of the demonizing of SJR and Ineos to be a bit over the top? Not that I'm defending the guy, but some of the posts feel like a reprisal against the criticism towards qatar. That vibe wasn't there before qatar showed up.
I couldn’t agree more.
I strongly agree with this.
I think it’s necessary to not let the forum fanbase fracture too much. And keep things positive.
This should be a time for hope for Utd fans - AT feckING LAST.
We’ve waited 2 decades for this. Let’s keep that specific debate in 1 thread and get this back about the running of Utd.
Eh?!
(we can see your nipples)
I feel it's all very OTT. Pointing certain things out is fine, but there's been casual racism and rampant xenophobia from both 'sides' imo.
Anyway, I'm bowing out. This whole thread is in bad faith at this stage. No point getting involved, which I felt would be the case from the get-go.
Spot on, and they only said they were looking in to it, as far as I'm aware they have never actually said publicly that the are definitely selling, having said that, with 1700+ pages I might have missed that
Yes, they are paying Raine tens of millions of dollars to not facilitate the sale of the club.
I can imagine.
Yeah that's probably for the best mate a great observer you are.
Relentless as-per, take the L bud.
The response was they were still awaiting clarity, which is very different from no comment.
Here are the leading sentences from each story.
Reuters: "English football club Manchester United is negotiating granting exclusivity to the consortium led by Qatar's Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad al-Thani in talks to sell itself for more than $6 billion, people familiar with the matter said on Thursday".
AFP: "A source close to Sheikh Jassim Bin Hamad Al Thani said Thursday that the Qatari bidders were still awaiting clarity from Manchester United after a report suggested they could be offered exclusivity in the battle to buy the club".
Reuters said one thing, AFP said another. AFP, by printing a literal quote from SJ's side, are telling us in broad daylight that they cannot corroborate what Reuters are saying. Therefore, they are in conflict with one another.
Is their much demonisation of them? For me the concern is that in his statement Ratcliffe didn't commit to clearing the debt, that for me is the no.1 priority for any owner. I mean it's only natural if people are brining up moral concerns, that the billionaire chemicals owner who has links with Saudi Arabia and China is going to get caught in the crossfire, and if people weren't constantly mentioning moral issues it's less likely ratcliffe's own moral issues would be brought up. But I'd certainly take him over the Glazers, I just have concerns that he wouldn't be able to get us to challenge city. Things would likely be better but I don't think by enough
The specific line is:
That's pretty much no comment.
The AFP and Reuters articles are not contradictory.
Now, now Robbie don't be getting angry here mate. You replied to my post, all I asked was a question. If you don't want to answer it no worries.
I actually enjoy our conversations. You've always seemed a good lad.
Your original point was that I was in favour of the death penalty in the US, which you tried to use as a pro-Qatar argument. After you realized that you were being dumb you tried to pivot, and scrambled to think of Super PACs and presidential visits.
Now, now Robbie don't be getting angry here mate. You replied to my post, all I asked was a question. If you don't want to answer it no worries.
I actually enjoy our conversations. You've always seemed a good lad.
No need to get arsey bud, I have zero qualms with you.
I just think sometimes you need to read what people are actually writing instead of looking for the win. Other than that, you're all good.
If they can't corroborate it, then that's all you need to know. If the story was true, more outlets would have gotten ahold of the same information and confirmed it. That's how it works in the news business. Even if one outlet breaks a story, other outlets quickly follow suit once they've done their due diligence. That hasn't happened here.
Those two statements are not contradictory though are they?
If it’s Raine which have leaked to Reuters and Qatari’s are still respecting the process and the NDAs that are in place then that’s as much a non-denial as it is a denial.
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