This seems to have died a death. Have the glazers priced everyone out?
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What are you on about
Do you have the patience and attention span of a child, by any chance?
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What if it's Mr Magorium's Wonder Emporium group that buys it?
I do agree with what you said.
And the following isn’t my way of saying he has sources
However if it was click bait I would have said that Dubai would be the owners as that would be a more muppet story and get more clicks
I think he just think he knows more than he does
Instead of (somewhat rightfully) also making a statement about your lack of reasonable patience…I’ll assume you just don’t understand this type of process.
A transaction of this scale takes months to put a proper bid together. It then takes time to accept terms. After terms are accepted the actual transaction documents will take months to hammer out with teams of lawyers.
Right now is the “putting bids together” stage. That is slow to form, and since it involves negotiation, will be held close to the vest. I doubt we get much info until bids are close to submitted. With the holidays I would imagine January.
Any legit links to who may be interested in purchasing the club? the price is going to be close to 5Billion so you would think it'll have to be a consortium or Oil Money
Logically I’d imagine more info/leaks on potential bidders will come about after the World Cup when journalists doing the digging are focused on United news and real football again
yeah that logically would make sense....really hoping the club is bought by someone or group that just loves football. WHile making some money is obviously important for the new owner, the real focus is about getting the club back to the top and giving EtH the backing that he needs.
i think the Glazers have done that in terms of backing transfers financially, i just don't think it was all about football for them and consistently making the right decisions with regards to the football club as a whole.
As someone that has worked on some somewhat large and public transactions…there is nothing more embarrassing than being very wealthy and/or famous…wanting to put a bid for a team together…and not being able to pull it off. It actually could affect your ability for future transactions. So there’s no upside to leaking interest.
Right now bids are being prepared and I would imagine there is a very tight lid on the who’s and how’s because this is going to be a huge amount of money.
The only party that is helped by a leak is potentially the glazers, but even that could scare away potential bidders. So there’s very little upside to a public negotiation for either side. I imagine we’ll get crickets until a bid that actually has the funds at the ready that would satisfy the glazers is made clear to the glazers and that would be at the earliest January.
Some enterprising lawyer or associate that leaks a party’s interest is only going to get themselves canned so reporters can focus all they want but I doubt they get much…
In what way has this “died a death”?
I have seen quite a few people on this forum express their disappointment that the sale isn't done yet as if it's a packet of sweets they are selling.
5-6bn quid guys. It's not something you sell over a morning coffee.
No cheeseburgers?
How long do you think takes to buy a house? What about something a million times more expensive?
I’d definitely rather it be a town house.
100% going to Middle Eastern buyers then
The generation that grew up with 24 news cycles and mobile phones are here and well it seems.Brailsford was brought into to have a chat with the Newcastle United playing squad whilst they were on their preseason tour in Lisbon. And he was brought in because he has been a friend of Dan Ashworth for many years as mentioned by Ashworth himself via the Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...sford-speak-Eddie-Howes-squad-pre-season.html
You've put way too much stock into Braislford's one off chat with the Newcastle United playing squad, which has nothing to do with how they operate on the structural side of their football club. These are two different things. I even remember some Sports teams inviting professional boxers to give their players motivational speak on the eve of big games.
And Newcastle's upward trajectory started with their new owners, a new head coach in Eddie Howe who has a defined way of playing the game and signing better players like Bruno Guimaraes.
I haven't stayed anything to the contrary.
In fact you have reiterated everything that I put in my post.
Which seems strange as you usually try to disagree, so I'm a bit confused!
Seems strange why Ashworth would invite someone in for a talk of they weren't going to offer any benefits, wouldn't you agree?
Or did he just do it for a bit of fun, something to do? Waste a bit of time?
If only Mike Ashley had bought us, could find us in Sports Direct in their special offer bins with a free mug.
It's not strange at all for one friend to invite another friend to provide insights into his working methods. But it had nothing to do with the structural side of the club but rather the playing side. Newcastle were on a upward trajectory before this supposed one off chat even took place with Brailsford during pre-season.
And Brailsford's role is being judged on the structural side of the football club and not the playing side. We have legends like Sir Alex Ferguson to provide motivational speak to the players, and he has a history of creating the best in class culture in football.
You're putting way too much stock into a one off meeting between Brailsford and the Newcastle playing squad, when Brailsford is a non football man and the original argument was over his suitability to preside over a footballing structure at one one of the biggest football club's in the world.
95% of the time information is spread for a reason. Goldbridge has a big viewership and I could definitely see people on the inside seeing a gain in flattering him and giving him some information. In addition, anyone with aspiration in making a name/working in media — Goldbridge is an asset given his enormous viewership. Ben Foster, Fabrizio Romano.
But in any event — besides what @LawCharltonBest alludes to, ie that interest in most cases will be wanted to be kept confidential — who will have information on potential buyers? I think that is a relevant factor in this case.
Like someone that might be an excellent source on what is going on in the locker room — is surely kept just as much in the dark as we are right now. The ‘it will be a US consortium’ speculation definitely seem to come from a source like that. It’s like a nothing statement.
A consortium means that you have a “lead investor” (in the US) probably getting at least 60-70 percent and then probably 3-4 others, if not more, taking the resort of the 30-40 percent.
The lead investor can be Apple, a Hedge fund, a Wealthy Individual, Elvis Presley (if he is alive), Elon Musk or some drug dealer. “US consortium” is a “nothing statement”, by someone who thinks it means more than it does.
However, at some point, a takeover by someone at some point gets known by so many people that there will be leaks. You have the bidder and the bidder’s organization, you have a financial advisor/investment bank, the legal advisors, surely a PR firm. Initially there is perhaps 5-10 people involved at each entity, then it goes up to 15-20. And that is just the “visible” people involved (say a 100 people). In addition you have all administrative personal, secretaries, IT personnel coming to fix camera in the conference room with a big Man Utd logo plastered on a big screen, friends and family of people involved.
There have been studies of takeover bids and it’s found that you get unexplainable movements in the stock price before the first announcement more than 50% before the release due to leaks.
I think we are past the point where leaks can be expected — but the big factor for why it has been so quiet is that the information is out there in circles that is far far away from the most eager circles to get their hands on it and to announce it. I mean the information is out there. People aren’t that secretive with information that isn’t insider information. “Gossip”. It’s not known in a Law Firm in Manchester or even London, but NY, perhaps the Middle East and so forth.
I'd forgotten about that one as well, the reality is that there's been a lot of dodgy club owners around for decades, not just at United, as a City fan what they think of Peter Swales!
Ashworth and Brailsford have worked on a lot more than just this one occurrence.
Ashworth would not have invited Brailsford into the club had it not been for the greater good.
I have never mentioned anything regarding the structural side of the club, all I have mentioned is that Brailsford has been trusted to talk to the club (backroom staff as well) regarding his expertise and experience, which Ashworth obviously felt the club needed.
Brailsford is an incredibly experienced person when it comes to elite sports in multiple disciplines.
Ashworth invited Brailsford to talk to the Newcastle United players. And I agree, he invited him because he probably felt a chat with Brailsford would benefit the Newcastle players. For example I'd have no issues inviting someone like Muhammad Ali, if he was still alive to give the playing squad some motivational speech before the start of the season. It can only benefit the team to be inspired by a great like Ali.
But the argument isn't over Brailsford giving the playing side of the club a pep talk, but rather Brailsford's credentials on the structural side of a football club. We have Erik ten Hag in charge of motivating the players on the playing side of the club.
So the argument put forth by @devilish was centred around Brailsford's credentials on the structural side of the club and not what he could offer the players of Man United via a one off chat.
Brailsford doesn't have experience at elite level football, so it's understandable why many would question his credentials in a role where he has no experience at the elite level. It shouldn't be difficult to put in place someone from a football administrative back ground to oversee the football side of the club.
He has the experience at all elite level sports. That there is no question.
Which is more than enough when surrounded by other people who are equally adept at their jobs.
He has been trusted by some of the best in the business, yet apparently not by two people on the Caf, who apparently know better.
Just baffles me how people can question that, but never mind, I guess two people on the Caf know better then the best decision makers in the business.
Someone like this guy could emerge as a buyer, perhaps. 3rd richest guy on the planet with big aspirations. Some connections with the Glazers since he also recently bought a cricket club. Gautan Adami:
https://www.ft.com/content/d6c5ffa0-0b9b-436f-8c8b-ef4170bedfe3
https://www.ft.com/content/d6c5ffa0-0b9b-436f-8c8b-ef4170bedfe3
Adani is leveraged to the hilt. Doubt he would spend something like 5-6b to buy the club. Would be another leveraged buyout like the glazers.
What experience does he have at elite level football?
And this is what french sports Journo, Julien Lauren's said about Brailsford, below.
"French football journalist Julien Laurens recently said Brailsford had made "a lot of mistakes at Nice" and had been "very much counterproductive to what the project is and what it should be".
"He reminds me a little bit of Sir Clive Woodward when England won the Rugby World Cup. He thought he could go into any sport, including football, and be successful and it just doesn't happen like that," Laurens said."
"One such mistake has seemingly been signing too many players from an English background, something Laurens called "silly recruitment".
"You have to explain to me what the logic behind it was, what the idea was and where they are going because it doesn't really make much sense. Maybe you can make sense of it when you know Dave Brailsford is there. He clearly thinks he can do a good job in football," he continued
https://road.cc/content/news/ineos-grenadiers-train-ogc-nice-296783?amp
Just admit you want Ratcliffe to buy the club and are open to accepting the baggage that comes with him.
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I don't want Ratcliffe to buy the club, I want INEOS to buy the club.
Not sure why that's such a bad thing?
But unlike others on here, if there's a better more suitable buyer then happy days let's go for them. It's whatever is best for the club.
Were you really quoting Laurens to back up your statements??
wow, we have reached a new low here.We have scraped the barrell, as despite several professionals in the field of elite sports trusting Brailsford, ESPN journalist Lauren's, a journalist who hawks himself out to any publication including the Daily Star, knows best.
Potentially, yes. But his net worth is hugely driven by super inflated valuations of his companies
Brailsford is the package that comes with INEOS. And I never said that's a bad thing for you to take that stance, but I just want you to admit that you're more than accepting of the baggage that comes with them and not jump through hoops in defending INEOS employees, blindly.I don't want Ratcliffe to buy the club, I want INEOS to buy the club.
Not sure why that's such a bad thing?
But unlike others on here, if there's a better more suitable buyer then happy days let's go for them. It's whatever is best for the club.
Were you really quoting Laurens to back up your statements??
We have scraped the barrell, as despite several professionals in the field of elite sports trusting Brailsford, ESPN journalist Lauren's, a journalist who hawks himself out to any publication including the Daily Star, knows best.
Yes I was quoting Laurens, can you put forth an argument against what he's said about Brailsford or are you going to go through more bouts of whataboutery? Stop deflecting and stay on the topic because it shouldn't be difficult to counter Laurens if you know what you're talking about. Or are you arguing blind?
I am sure he is, but just to be clear, Gautan Adami is not the same guy as Mukesh Ambani (who has been rumored to buy us and who is leveraged to the hilt).
I don't think I'm defending blindly at all, in fact I think what I'm doing is pushing against the one or two posters who can't comprehend the fact that any rich business entity who purchases United are going to be cleaner then clean.
INEOS in the grand scheme of things is far from the worst option so far, with other clubs in their group they offer a different option to just a rich sugar daddy.
Laurens has no expertise on running a football club, he also is a journalist who wants to spark debate to sell his product or whatever product he is there to sell (daily star for example), it's the lowest of the low, especially when on the other hand you have Ashworth, ECB and other high profile sporting experts clamouring for Brailsfords input.
Whataboutism indeed eh!?
Who you want as the owner of the club is your business and you won't get kick back from me regarding that. But you will get kick back if you're blind in your support of someone like Brailsford who doesn't have experience at the elite level on the football side of the club.
Laurens might not have the experience of running a football club, but he like many other football fans has a mind of his own and can assess and evaluate the football strategy that is taking shape at a football club in France. And you've still not countered what he said, and you've also quite conveniently not answered my earlier question asking what experience Brailsford has at elite level in football.
And regarding Dan Ashworth, he invited Brailsford to talk to the Newcastle players whilst they were in preseason training. So again you've failed to point out exactly why Brailsford would benefit us instead of someone from a footballing background.
And you've also brought up the ECB, which I presume is the English Cricket Board. Again you can't compare elite level football to the game of Cricket.
Buddy i am Indian so i think i know my Ambanis and adanis. It is in fact the adani group which is leveraged to the hilt. Mukesh ambanis Reliance industries is quite comfortable on the debt front and will be net debt free by 2025 if all goes to plan.
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