They stand to earn like £6bn from their acquisition of United. How exactly have they been embarrassed?
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As pure business owners, this has been a masterstroke for them.
Are you implying we don’t have one? Because we do.
The Athletics latest article toys with the idea that the Saudi's could ditch Newcastle (who, they say, they didn't really want) and buy Manchester United (who, they say, were the club they actually wanted to buy all along)
Imagine.
Imagine.
I can’t see it happening, they are invested in a long term project there, however I could see them effectively owning us through a Private investment fund who essentially bankrolls us through loans that never get paid back.
You say they're invested in a long-term investment, but it hasn't really started yet. Could be a case of getting out before they get too deep.
Or even if they did what you said, logically they'd stop bankrolling Newcastle anyway because they'd want Manchester United to be the dominant team.
Just want to be owned by an oil rich multi-billionaire
That’s all this has ever been, they don’t understand football, they have never cared about the club. It was a financial investment, a retirement fund and a running cash point. Nothing more.
As much as I’d rather the Saudi’s not take us over it would be worth it just to see the meltdown cnuts like True Geordie would be having.
Dubai rumours gone cold recently
That’s weird, a family member lives out there and he says it’s pretty fecking hot all year round.
I love newbies who think the takeover talks should work like a player transfer.
Let's just get this straight up. Whatever is happening is on a complete lock with no leaks, until things really progress far.
Journalists aren't reporting anything because they don't know. They don't know because they aren't meant to.
that would be mint. Imagine if they are sold back to Mike Ashley.
As much as I’d rather the Saudi’s not take us over it would be worth it just to see the meltdown cnuts like True Geordie would be having.
It would be magical watching their meltdown and hopes dashed.
Can't they sell Newcastle to some guy with close connections to the Saudi fund and then use Newcastle as our feeder's club?
This club being owned by MBS and co would be a bitter pill to swallow.
This is my thought exactly. People might laugh at the idea and say it's very unlikely but these people just behave differently.
They want the status and might never get the chance. If it was a Western investor, it wouldn't really be realistic but with Saudi Arabia's feck you money...
The only issue here is that Liverpool is also available for half the price and so they might go for them. From my anecdotal experience though, people from that region are just mad about United and we would be by far and away the biggest prize.
I just want someone who has enough money to take the project on, if that means an oil rich organisation then so be it. Football has moved on since the days i began supporting Utd in the second division, our club needs a lot of investment and i don`t think there are many out there that are going to just throw money at us without a return.
I must say that I’m the same. I’m in the ‘let football be football’ camp. I’d rather people fight whatever other fight they have outside of football. That said, I don’t suspect many of the ‘will stop supporting United if the Saudis took over’ lot actually do anyway. It’s the football many will choose to boycott, however, I’m not sure how active/vocal many have been about this stuff prior.
Do people genuinely think Saudi could suddenly sell Newcastle and buy us, or are they just trying to convince themselves it could happen because that's what they want to happen?
And besides, why would fans want to be owned by a group that operate so unprofessionally and on a complete whim?
And besides, why would fans want to be owned by a group that operate so unprofessionally and on a complete whim?
Judging how just this week the whole Newcastle team went to Saudi for their training camp and also got gifted Rolex's by the crown prince, I'd say that article is pretty much rubbish.
It would be the final pill for me. I would end all association with Manchester United and delete my RedCafe account.
This is me. I don't think it would happen but I'd be convincing myself that it could.
Also, everyone knows that Saudi's wanted us more than any other club. Now that we have come available, will they want to miss out, knowing this is probably their only chance for a few decades to come? Let's see.
You can say whatever you want about them but in the space of a year, Newcastle are challenging for top 4 with some good investment but nothing earth-shattering.
Being whimsical and unprofessional are not synonyms
So what? Liverpool have won everything in recent years without being owned by ghouls.
Confused by the bolded. What's your point?
But even Liverpool with arguably the best manager in the world currently are falling behind now and the owners simply don't have the money to reinforce given how little Klopp has spend these past windows and their squad is ever aging. At this point you either get some uber rich owner or you fall behind. That's what football has become.
I have to say, I am a bit surprised by the lack of “leaks” (fake or real) or confirmed reports.
In terms of facts, we know what, (1) that Radcliffe will bid? And (2) Red Knights won’t. And (3) that the Saudi’s would welcome an investment from private initiatives. Nothing else, right?
In terms of rumors, we have the (1) Apple rumor, from a fairly good source after all. We also have (2) Amancio Ortega “registering
Mukbani has been mentioned, but it’s not a “rumor” right?
It just seem like, for every one (1) report we do get that is true, there would be nine (9) completely made up reports. But if so — where are the made up reports?
And even if the process of course is confidential etc etc, some will benefit from just the exposure. Might want to put their name out there to get the fans on their side or whatever.
In terms of facts, we know what, (1) that Radcliffe will bid? And (2) Red Knights won’t. And (3) that the Saudi’s would welcome an investment from private initiatives. Nothing else, right?
In terms of rumors, we have the (1) Apple rumor, from a fairly good source after all. We also have (2) Amancio Ortega “registering
Mukbani has been mentioned, but it’s not a “rumor” right?
It just seem like, for every one (1) report we do get that is true, there would be nine (9) completely made up reports. But if so — where are the made up reports?
And even if the process of course is confidential etc etc, some will benefit from just the exposure. Might want to put their name out there to get the fans on their side or whatever.
I'd rather fall behind than be owned by cnuts like the Saudi regime. It's a false dichotomy, though. United's revenues are still substantial enough for us to compete at the top level - the problem has been a lack of competency, not a lack of funds. Getting rid of the Glazers, their debt and their stooges on the Board and replacing them with people who know what they are doing, would reap rewards.
I am not.
From a buyer's perspective it would be stupid to reveal his bid else he would be encouraging an auction. From a seller's perspective it would be stupid to reveal a bid in case that bid is pulled out and he's made to look like desperate to sell. Also note that no one has 7B under the bed. Thus anyone bidding for United would need time to prepare a bid especially if he's planning a consortium
Maybe this lends itself to legal work being done behind the scenes? For instance, Saudi's are working with the relevant authorities if they would pass any legal legislations to own the club?
I think the Glazers knew what they were doing timing the announcement so early into the World Cup - many of the journalists that would be making the enquiries that lead to leaks are out there with a big job to do.
People say there won't be leaks etc but these deals are so huge and involve so many people that it always comes out. I think we'll hear a big rumour/leak around Christmastime
Yeh, absolutely. But we generate enough money that we don't need a sugar daddy like Saudi to dope us into competing - it's an incredibly good position to be in. Why compromise on our moral standing and become a soft power tool when we don't have to? Chelsea just got taken over by a consortium that have promised over a billion in investment. There are other options out there.
I am not a saint but I draw the line at someone who goes around hacking people to pieces in embassies.
It's hardly an impossibility is it?
Even Newcastle fans don't flatter themselves they were first choice. The Saudis must be fuming they've got Newcastle with Liverpool and United available a season later.
Not sure many fans particularly want it though.
Selling Newcastle a year after buying them so they can buy United or Liverpool instead? It sounds incredibly implausible to me, yeh. Especially since it's going better than anyone could have imagined.
Who knows what will happen.
They probably hadn't long heard of Newcastle before buying them, so it was hardly a dream purchase.
And maybe going ideally so far shows how hard it'll be to continue it, especially if United and Liverpool join City as Oil teams, with Chelsea always being dollared up as well.
You pretty much equated being whimsical with not running a club professionallly. My point is that these are two different things.
Hardly tough to understand.
By the way, I am not in support or against Saudi ownership, it's just speculation. If there's a vote and an alternative, I'd probably opt for a Liverpool-like ownership but we'll never dominate the PL that way.
No I didn't? I said buying a club and selling it a year later would be owners being unprofessional and acting on a whim, neither of which are something you'd want in a football club owner.
Fair enough. I'm not bothered about dominating the PL. If that's why people are in football, they are in it for the wrong reasons in my opinion.
Fair dos. Hard to put anything past people with that sort of money I suppose.
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