What are you talking about, I was clearly referring to his footballing involvements.
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I expect they'll run us like clowns exactly the same as they run Clown FC over in France.
People who have never had to actually earn anything in life often struggle at running things competently, as has been demonstrated many times.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/675528/average-ligue-1-salary-by-team/
All PSG have proven is that if they spend 11 times more than the next team on wages then they can be dominant in France and shit in the Champions League. At least Nice have proven that they can finish 5th when having the fifth highest wage, they don’t overspend for their position.
I'm aware of the financial disparity.
Money does not guarantee success.
CIty and PSG haven't been able to buy a CL between them. Why would we be any different?
Evangelism’s popular on a Sunday.
Honestly mate, considering how much Lyon had to spend be dominant in France in comparison to PSG and how much Nice are spending to be fifth in France, there is certainly a case to be made that Nice are the better run club there.
I see nothing impressive about spending 11 times more than your closest competitor to be the best.
Especially so because that is simply not possible in England. In that situation, you have to be much better at running your club and whilst Abu Dhabi have proven to be good (but also cheaters), Qatar in my opinion have proven to be meh considering their investment and have just turned that place into a circus.
Wasn't particularly clear but even so, given the same largely irrelevant argument can be used to show why the Qatari are poor in this industry, despite spending insane amounts of money, it's a pretty weak argument.
Repeatedly throwing money without direction or any semblance of a plan is not equal to good business. Yet this is what they have done. In fact, bar a few isolated examples, this is literally all the entire Oil State mantra is. Whether it's LIV golf, football or just buying up iconic Western businesses.
No, United should strive for excellence and like 99.99999% of other clubs they should spend their own money to achieve it, especially so as they are one of the big true clubs that can succeed at beating the state clubs off their own backs.
Just look at the example of Real Madrid.
That's my point. I agree that City has been impeccably run as a football club and still hasn't managed to dominate the way PSG/Bayern have in their respective countries.
Despite this City have still not really got it right in Europe despite having the best possible circumstances in most cases.
The money and competitiveness in the PL just won't allow that disparity IMO. I don't think Qatar will change that nor do I actually think they will try in that way. I see them investing far more in the infrastructure than in the playing squad. We can invest our own money into buying new players every year like we currently do.
It was not a business decision though was it. It was the same as buying the World Cup, they did it to increase their global exposure.
If the entire argument wasn't the fact Qatar have unlimited funds it wouldn't be so bad. Then again there isn't anything else so maybe it makes sense.
Though as Berba has now stated, money doesn't guarantee success. Which should be an enormous red flag as beyond money, the Qataris have nothing else to offer. PSG are a prime example of this and should act as a warning to us all.
They get away with it in France. Just like Rangers of Celtic can be run by idiots and still dominate. You wouldn't get away with it in England as, well United have demonstrated for 10 years.
So now you believe the bid is a lie, and that it’s in fact state backed, and you believe they will run United completely differently to how they run PSG with big stupid name signings et cetera. Yet you believe in ineos will run United the same way as they run their other clubs.
I’m confused mate.
You don't need to be a genius to be successful at owning a football club. Just look at City, Newcastle and Liverpool's owners who weren't exactly blessed with experience. It's simply about getting the correct structure in place and providing funding to football right people.
We should all surely be able to agree on this. With Gill and Fergie, even the Glazers looked competent.
Which is surely another red flag?
If they'd shown at least some competence, even if it was just to mask their real intentions such as how City's owners have, then it might be less of a concern.
Yes. Something the Qataris have shown themselves incapable of.
Well yeah I've stated that multiple times. Earlier today, to you infact:
Of course, they will run us differently from PSG, the two teams were in much different states prior to the takeover. They are buying arguably the biggest team in the world. PSG was a project to help them with Qatar 2022 and with French political links.
Completely different motivations and situations all around.
PSG for them, minus winning a CL has fully served its purpose.
How Qataris or Ineos run United is all speculation and assumptions. I would think or hope either will be a better custodian of the club. If some posters think Jassim is bidding for the state you'd hope they have learnt from their experience of running PSG. Similarly, Ineos with their interest in other teams. Think positive.
PS: This thread is mostly conjecture.
PS: This thread is mostly conjecture.
So why are you arguing about ineos swiss or Nice ownership?
Surely they will of course run us differently?
Totally fair.
Also bang on the money here.
Do you wish you'd have done things differently in the past and not learnt from that experience and become better?
I hope so. Don't particularly fancy the Championship.
Absolutely. But given how the Qatari PR campaign is being run for this bid isn't helping.
Statements like "Jassim finds it funny..."
That was fake no?
Interesting thread
Probably. Was just an example though.
If this was being discussed in the CE forum discussing religion I am positive there would be some choice words thrown at some posters entrenched in this thread.
Idealism
Bigotry
Fanaticism
Fundamentalism
Idealism
Bigotry
Fanaticism
Fundamentalism
An example of what. A randomer on Twitter making some shit up?
Apologies if this has already been asked and answered but recently PSG sold a minority stake in their club, Liverpool are looking for investment/minority stake, City have sold a minority stake but did they go through the same process as United are now?
I certainly don’t remember these clubs (maybe apart from Liverpool) using a bidding process and making it public to get that investment so why would that be different with the Glazers? Surely if they wanted that they could just reach out to the likes of Elliott etc rather than them having to enter a bidding process like they are now, which kind of makes me think the minority investment angle is a bluff but if not why is this different?
I certainly don’t remember these clubs (maybe apart from Liverpool) using a bidding process and making it public to get that investment so why would that be different with the Glazers? Surely if they wanted that they could just reach out to the likes of Elliott etc rather than them having to enter a bidding process like they are now, which kind of makes me think the minority investment angle is a bluff but if not why is this different?
How exactly? They go for the best personal in business. In PSG they did hired best DoF and best managers. Trophies wise, they failed only to win CL. Wow, you put it like it is easy to win CL. Like there are no other giants in that competition who also spend money, have world class players and managers.
City has probably the best footballing structure in the world (IMO) and also failed to win a CL.
Exactly.
I struggle to understand what exactly Qatari did wrong in PSG. Except, which i am sure they will not do it in Man Utd, giving some players more power than to manager.
That will never happen in United. And any owner knows that.
No manager really managed to create a proper team dynamic from all of the talent they had.
I think Tuchel's PSG was maybe the best from memory.
Compare PSG to City.
PSG are run closer to the way the Glazers run United. Look at how people at various levels act, from the players on the pitch to the people in the board rooms.
A complete lack of professionalism, planning and importantly, effort.
City* meanwhile have become the standard by which other clubs now measure themselves. Nobody, not a single club looks at PSG and goes "that's the model we want to emulate"
*Also cheats, which shouldn't be forgotten.
The best was Ancelotti and then Blanc. What happened after that is mainly down to PSG not having a balanced team due to FFP and the poor idea to purchase both Neymar and Mbappé during the same summer.
Yeah, they messed up with not giving Tuchel more time. But its not that they are only ones who fired manager too quickly. Real and Bayern do it all the time. Onecseason without top trophy and you are off. Are they poorly run too?
Psg were buying good players, from young talents, proven world class players to free transfer bargains. They have good youth system and they have results.
And they failed according to some people
I totally forgot about Ancelotti
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