Objectively they have been relegated twice in 5 seasons under his ownership
And how often before his ownership did they play in the second flight
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And how often before his ownership did they play in the second flight
You have not been invited. This is a Caf tagteam debate.
Berba/dev versus plant/regs in their skimpy Speedos.
yeah, you have no concerns about the bid you are convinced is based upon a lie, fronted by a man who has never had any involvement in sport in his life.
Go figure.
What is it with you and lying
He asked me to go halves on it
I'd love to see where in Ratcliffe's plan when purchasing the club it stated "Relegate them twice is 5 seasons"And how often before his ownership did they play in the second flight
Not that there anything wrong with that. Four grown men, oiled up in their Speedos!
Tbf he ain't exactly a spring chicken. We ought to be grateful that he's got a twitter account.
We’re not taking about a City situation here where they dropped two leagues - they yo-yo’d between the top two leagues which shows their level. It’s disingenuous to keep saying 2 relegations when in effect the club was stable.I'd love to see where in Ratcliffe's plan when purchasing the club it stated "Relegate them twice is 5 seasons"
I'd love to see where in Ratcliffe's plan when purchasing the club it stated "Relegate them twice is 5 seasons"
Maybe it was just, let’s make this club financially sound and stop the thick shits bankrupting themselves so often.
Then we’ll see where we take the club once we’ve built a multi club model.
Maybe there simply was no “grand plan” for a club for that spent most of the 21st-century I have a bankrupt or in the lower leagues. Is that so bad?
We explored the hypothesis that Jassim might be a front man or the short term owner of United with Qatar buying the club later on. That 'lie' makes sense since its a way to bypass the discriminatory UEFA laws on multi club ownership. However this hypothesis simply doesn't make sense.
A- Why would the banks hide their involvement with Manchester United? We're not talking about something illegal (ex lending money to Putin's regime etc). Being associated with United is a boost for everyone including a bank. Even cutthroats like Goldman Sachs, Elliott group, Ares and Apollo were quite happy with their name being mentioned.
B- Why would Jassim lie about it? Such concept would have weakened his hand as the Glazers will be tempted to ask for a higher price for United knowing that Jassim is so rich that he can bankroll everything without even bothering visiting a bank to ask for a loan. Sure some fans won't like it but we have no power in the bidding process whatsoever.
There's no need for either me or you to step back. Its not as if our opinion means anything in the grand scheme of things. I have zero allegiance to any buyer and quite frankly I never liked United's owners/major shareholders in the first place. If INEOS buy the club and they are successful then rest assured that I'd be over the moon.
They have been relegated from the top division three times since 1932. Twice under Jim Ratcliffe
The other time as you said they had gone bankrupt.
Not a good look is it...
Do more research
What exactly do you think INEOS will do if they buy United that this is a concern? They could do nothing at all and the worst we would be is top 6 in PL and perennial EL challengers.They have been relegated from the top division three times since 1932. Twice under Jim Ratcliffe
The other time as you said they had gone bankrupt.
Not a good look is it...
Run them as a business, not a football club.
Why? It’s not me with ‘concerns’ by which you actually mean looking for reasons to shit on INEOS and Sir Jim because you want Qatar.
They have been relegated from the top division three times since 1932. Twice under Jim Ratcliffe
The other time as you said they had gone bankrupt.
Not a good look is it...
fecking ell man, they went straight down after coming up the first time with the same manager, after fighting their way from the lowest levels of Swiss football. They didn’t take over some established top tier side
But if you’re that desperate to put weight into the way they have owned a club that was financially fecked and kept bankrupting themselves and spent most of the 21st century in the second tier with how they would run Manchester United, I think you need to give your had a serious wobble. Even the fecking Glazers have a Champions League title and league titles to their name as owners of this great club.
I’ve got bad news, Manchester United IS a business - the same as every other football club in the world and will need to be run prudently and responsibly to avoid bankruptcy.
You were parroting the "yo-yo club" thing along with @Regulus Arcturus Black when in reality Lausanne had been a constant in the Swiss top division between 1932 and 2003.
That is not a yo-yo club. Complete mischaracterization
That is not a yo-yo club. Complete mischaracterization
They have been relegated from the top division three times since 1932. Twice under Jim Ratcliffe
The other time as you said they had gone bankrupt.
Not a good look is it...
So the concept of 'aggregation of marginal gains' is basically to go one step backwards to then hopefully go two steps forward?
Ain't exactly what I thought it meant.
You're moronically trying to give the impression they were constantly up and down the divisions to lessen the shit job that Ratcliffe has done since he took them over. He has been responsible for more relegations than anyone in their history.fecking ell man, they went straight down after coming up the first time with the same manager, after fighting their way from the lowest levels of Swiss football. They didn’t take over some established top tier side
But if you’re that desperate to put weight into the way they have owned a club that was financially fecked and kept bankrupting themselves and spent most of the 21st century in the second tier with how they would run Manchester United, I think you need to give your had a serious wobble.
Well INEOS has a different view to the one you have
https://www.ineos.com/news/ineos-group/ineos-buys-historic-swiss-football-club-lausanne-sport/
https://www.ineos.com/news/ineos-gr...cquire-french-ligue-1-football-club-ogc-nice/
INEOS to buy Lausanne-Sport, one of Switzerland’s most established football clubs.
David Thompson, CEO INEOS Football SA, says, “INEOS is excited about taking this major step into top-class football as part of our wider commitment to encourage youth sport in Lausanne and Canton Vaud. We hope and expect that this new investment in the team will take Football Club Lausanne-Sport forward to further success, and we see no reason why this could not mean playing in Europe.”
They seemed to have lied to the previous owner as well who claimed
“I strongly believe that INEOS is undoubtedly the best possible owner going forwards. They have the ambition, the drive the vision and commitment that is needed to take the club to the next level.”
Sir Jim himself think that they messed it up although we've yet to see the benefits he's talking about (they got relegated again). Lausanne is so important for INEOS that the owner himself mentioned them during his acquisition of NICE
Sir Jim added: “We made some mistakes at Lausanne, but we are fast learners, these have been rectified and we are already seeing the benefits. Clubs need to be successful off the pitch, as well as on it, and OGC Nice will be no different, as we look to take the club from strength to strength in all aspects over the coming years.”
Do you think Qatar will run United in the same way as Ratcliffe?
Which approach is more likely to be successful in your opinion?
They have been relegated from the top division three times since 1932. Twice under Jim Ratcliffe
The other time as you said they had gone bankrupt.
Not a good look is it...
is that the case? Jeez that's worse than I thought.
I think you believe those comments are promising more than they are dev
Not quite getting into Europe as they had stated.
fecking ell man, they went straight down after coming up the first time with the same manager, after fighting their way from the lowest levels of Swiss football. They didn’t take over some established top tier side
But if you’re that desperate to put weight into the way they have owned a club that was financially fecked and kept bankrupting themselves and spent most of the 21st century in the second tier with how they would run Manchester United, I think you need to give your had a serious wobble. Even the fecking Glazers have a Champions League title and league titles to their name as owners of this great club.
Actually they were 6th place when INEOS bought them
https://www.ineos.com/news/ineos-group/ineos-buys-historic-swiss-football-club-lausanne-sport/
INEOS today confirmed that it has purchased what is believed to be one of Europe’s most established football clubs. FC Lausanne-Sport, is currently 6th in the Swiss Super League.
By that logic then, as “the largest club in the world” shouldn’t United have the most ambition AND most investment in the world? Isn’t that the context of this club? Which of these bidders will deliver on that promise?
Not quite the same narrative that you're pushing that the Lausanne fans should be eternally grateful for allowing them to watch them get relegated almost bi-annually.I think you believe those comments are promising more than they are dev
I think you believe those comments are promising more than they are dev
If you think that I am celebrating this 'INEOS being more shit then I thought' thing then think again. These guys have a real shot in buying our club.
Honestly mate, that really depends. If we are to believe this is also a massive lie and that the state of Qatar is buying us, I’m bit scared at how they have managed PSG. Spunking stupid amounts of money to bring in the likes of Messi and Ramos on silly wages, not to mention the Neymar fee and ridiculous money they spent on Mbappé, especially to keep him at the club. None of this has lead to any great success in the Champions League, barely better than Lyon managed.
Now let’s remember that Lyon were just as dominant in France as PSG for the decade pre-takeover and spent a fraction of what PSG have done to do it.
So all PSG’s owners have proven to us so far, is that in a league with not as many rich clubs, they can outspend them tenfold to become dominant, and cheat ffp, something they have no chance of doing in England. They have also turned the club into a bit of a circus.
So no, I don’t think it’s a given at all that Qatari ownership in such a strong league will be guaranteed brilliant or successful.
Did that only happen to raise the profile of PSG though? Not necessary at United.
But we have only seen them at PsG where they want Qatar to be at the forefront of everything, much moreso than the name PSG. Just look at Messi’s WC clothes for example.
So yes, I believe they will do whatever they can if it’s a Qatar state ownership to raise the profile of Qatar, including bringing in superstar names on overpriced contracts in their big dick swinging contest.
Will be so plastered with Qatar sponsorship and everything “Qatar” all over the stadium that you will hardly ever be able to think of Manchester United again without immediately thinking about the state of Qatar, exactly how it is with PSG and how it is the Man City in Abu Dhabi.
But I do appreciate the hypocrisy in you thinking they would do things differently at Manchester United whilst arguing that Ineos would do the same things.
Was that due to the World Cup more than anything?
You seriously think Messi sticks that on of he doesn’t play for PSG? Lolz
Everything with Qatar is about raising the profile of Qatar, including the World Cup and PSG ownership. It’d be the same with us.
Jimbo got a man to run a marathon in under two fecking hours, even Nike couldn’t manage that
Yes I'm not disagreeing. I'm suggesting it was all to support their World Cup. Now that has passed how will that change things.
Now we are seeing a somewhat different PSG, they have in recent years started spending a lot less. You see it in the team now with more emphasis on developing their youth talents like Zaire-Emery and Bitshiabu
I see the Qatari boys* have been embarrassing themselves all day again...
*Or girls
What an absolute shit show the last 8 pages are.
*Or girls
What an absolute shit show the last 8 pages are.
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