I agree with you, but Ratcliffe hasn't shown that with his involvement in football so far.
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Correct it didn't. It went to the people they bought the club from, such as Magnier etc...
Just waiting for bid from a former poster who had pits of money hidden in fields all over ireland
I know, everyone knows (well, apparently not everyone..)
Can some of you stop stating your opinions as if they are fact? It's depressing.
"The Glazers will go for the minority investment idea" and crap like that is just your anxiety because everything has to be negative around here, same goes for the matchday threads. I do wonder how some of you get through the day.
"The Glazers will go for the minority investment idea" and crap like that is just your anxiety because everything has to be negative around here, same goes for the matchday threads. I do wonder how some of you get through the day.
Yeah, I just don't see anything else happening. It's the obvious next step for the Glazers to extract more cash.
Likely, which is why default is to be against the bid.
But I’m also genuinely worried about the funding, if he’s not state backed, how the feck is he funding it?
There’s just no transparency on this bid, are we getting a mega rich state owner, or are we getting something else altogether?
I’m amazed anyone can be truly backing it until these answers are cleared up.
Did he go by 'Mr. Leprechaun' by any chance?
I think we can all safely assume it's state-backed. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise as you say. I'm right in thinking that it would need to be approved by the Emir in any case though right?
Maybe he knows where Shergar is.
Who remembers when Knightons bid for United was 30m? Now that wouldn’t buy you the right leg of a respected prospect
Common sense say that its going to be state backed. He simply lack the money to buy the club. His dad seem to be richer but not to that extent. He's also seem reluctant to invest that money into football either.
Probably because he’d have to spend like a lunatic and cheat FFP to usurp PSG and because the swiss team cost about 50p and Nice cost what, a 60th of what we’re talking about here.
The post you agreed with was Dev saying Malaga was just a 40m investment but he can’t see how Qatar would allow a 6bn investment to fail. Well surely the same logic goes there? It’s one thing for INEOS to buy Nice for 100m and be happy to play long game for CL football, but let a 5-6bn investment fail?
Bingo
Imagine how pissed off Edwards is. He whored the club to every Tom, Dick and Harry up until he finally sold all his shares. Now United is set to be sold for 5b-6b
It is possible that Ratcliffe/INEOS are just not competent at running football clubs.
okay, so we’re backing a bid based completely on lies then? Doesn’t that seem also a bit odd to you?
No one is saying that INEOS will buy the club to fail. However there are many shades of success. The Glazers for example saw a regular top 4 place as a success. What makes you think that INEOS with their 'sustainable model' will be different especially in a league which is far tougher then the French/Swiss league?
I love the goalpost moving again, so on one hand, Qatari ownership wouldn’t allow for a 6 billion investment to fail, but Ineos would. Qatari ownership also has no problem allowing to fail Malaga badly because it was a small investment, but Ineos shouldn’t allow Nice to do just finish 5th in France on a small investment.
The bias is incredible.
This is what INEOS said when they bought NICE FC " With some sensible, measured investment, we want to establish OGC Nice as a team that competes in European club competition on a regular basis "
And what they promised when they bought Lausanne "We hope and expect that this new investment in the team will take Football Club Lausanne-Sport forward to further success, and we see no reason why this could not mean playing in Europe.”
We all know that that didn't happen. Owners lie and I'd rather have an owner who lies on who the future owners are (especially since he's lying because of discriminatory laws) rather then ambition
They've been willing to lie to the people in the media they've been feeding info to if and when it suited them. So I'm personally not willing to take anything on face value, and I don't think anyone should.
However, I would argue though that neither Jassim or SJR are spending 5 billion to piss around.
That's part of the story mate. I am sure that both INEOS/Jassim want success. However there are different shades of success. For example the Abu Dhabi/Qatari at City/PSG want to win as many trophies as possible while the Glazers were happy with a top 4 finish. INEOS has yet to show the ambition needed to seriously compete for the very top even in a league such as the Swiss one were it would cost them little to do so. They had promised alot while delivered little.
You're too biased
feck me this conversation again?
Lausanne I’m completely ignoring, it’s a nothing team in a nothing league that has spent most of the 21st century in the second tier. They simply said they see no reason why they couldn’t play in Europe at some point.
As for Nice, they are 3 and a bit years in. It’s clear their plan is to have Nice playing regularly in European football. In 2 of their seasons in charge though, they have had European football, that’s pretty fecking regular.
I see nowhere where they said, we’ll be in the CL every year straight away.
So you prefer to ignore Lausanne ie a club owned by INEOS who had SJR's own brother as CEO and yet you are quite comfortable blaming Malaga's woes on Jassim despite probably being the tenth cousin of the Malaga owner? That's a bit biased isn't it?
And CL football on a regular basis is CL football on a regular basis. How many times had NICE been in CL since INEOS took over?
As said mate, many find it pretty hard to believe that Jassim is buying the club without state funding. I think you don't believe that yourself (although I stand corrected on that). Which means that yes PSG is the closest we have to judge Jassim just as Lausanne/Nice is the closest we have to judge INEOS management of United
PSG has been a lot more successful than anything Ratcliffe has been involved in.
It’s not biased, it’s in fact one of the most stupid things I’ve ever read on here. Dev, as I’ve said to you about 20 times now, I don’t think Jassim has anything to do with Malaga my only point as explained also about 20 times is that without knowing the full details behind the funding with Jassim‘s bid, he could just as well be a Qatari like the Malaga owner, or Qatar ownership like PSG.
And yet just a post or two ago you had no problem claiming that Jassim will be like Man City who are owned by fecking Abu Dhabi. lolz
No shit.
So we’ll be back to the same point again. Your entire reason for backing the Jassim bid is because you believe the entire bid is based on a lie and we will in fact be owned by the same people as PSG.
Not sure how I debate that. I want clarity on the ownership/funding has been my only point. You’re happy to believe it’s all a lie and yet still get right behind it
I get it mate, you’re backing a bid based upon the entire bid being a massive lie.
Bit odd you don’t want clarity before getting so behind it mind.
After all this media attention, the Finnish Michael Knighton still only has 800 twitter followers
So let’s just pretend for a moment that INEOS ploughed money into Lausanne the way Qatar have with PSG, and absolutely take the Swiss league by storm. For what? What’s the point? How does that make sense? The Swiss league doesn’t have the reach of the PL or Bundesliga so why would they do that? Same goes for Nice to a lesser extent. The ambition and investment has to be in context to the situation of each club.
Why buy them in the first place then
For long term improvement?
You don’t seriously think every takeover of a club should be to do a Manchester City or PSG, and if you do what the feck is wrong with you?
How long did it take FSG to win a league? And how long did it take Kronke to get Arsenal into a position like they are today?
Why should every ownership be about cheating FFP & absolutely spunking money to instant success?
How's that working out?
I didn't advocate for anything in that regard also, stop putting words in my mouth.
It’s been 3 and bit years man
as I say, remind me again, how long it took FSG to win the league with Liverpool and how long it took Kronke to get Arsenal into a good place?
3 years was it ?
is that the rule now, that if you don’t massively improve the club within the first three years, you’re a shit owner, and why are you even bothering to own a club?
They bought them in 2017 so that's 6 years.It’s been 3 and bit years man
as I say, remind me again, how long it took FSG to win the league with Liverpool and how long it took Kronke to get Arsenal into a good place?
3 years was it ?
You're seriously comparing Liverpool and Arsenal to Lausanne?
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