Club Sale | It’s done!
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that's not really a negative or nonsense, it's always been on the cards since the start. That was actually a sensible analysis.
I mean ‘they never needed to sell’. They absolutely do need to sell.
Where to start.
This.
The first rule of negotiating is that if the other side doesn't believe you're prepared to walk away, you'll get your pants pulled down.
This is all just really fundamental negotiating posturing.
Glazer’s final stand to try squeeze a few more quid out Qatar before submitting their bid tomorrow
Spot on. This difference is that we will justifiably lose our shit over this - this is seismically bigger than any transfer saga.
The likeliest outcome throughout has been that they would stay with minority investment. They have been keen to mention that possibility at every turn.
Its nothing like FdJ. For starters the Glazers said they'd consider a full sale.
Glazers testing Jassim on how big a United fan he really is.
You are bang on the money. It was always stated they wished to remain if the likes of Elliott were willing to finance.
As a fanbase we are so desperate to see them leave that confirmation bias made many believe that the likeliest outcome was a sale. That was never the case.
Again. in 18 years they have never put a penny in to the club. You think that’s the most likely outcome now? That they turn a world record fee down and instead pump money in?
Okay
The purpose is to show the banks the valuation of the club. It's genius. The bids are real.
Where have they said that?
Yeah that whole boyhood fan 92 foundation and il overpay briefs wasn't so smart.
That means they’ll be dipping in their own pockets and we have 17 years worth of proof that it’s something they don’t do?
Even this January we didn’t have a penny to spend since they were apparently focusing on a sale. If they had no intention of a sale then they’re put our entire season at risk for a bluff.
It might not be clear now but we are getting fecked over in some way. I’m staggered you can’t see it
Except this has not actually happened
Yes. They probably wont pump money in - whatever Elliott are willing to finance will be pumped in.
The Glazers know that their money is best tied up in an asset - what bigger asset is there than United? They can also use that as security for other investments. They really do not need to sell.
Jassim just needs to think of it as a non-Manc superfan tax.
Calm the feck down. Jesus.
I think the club will be sold but we have to be prepared for the brief and counter briefing that will now go into overdrive.
Quite the opposite, I can't deviate from my opinion until there is a statement because all logic and from what we know already about the state of Utd financially makes staying at the club through outside investment absolutely nonsensical. Doesn't mean I can't be on a discussion board though, I'm happy for people to try and tell me how on earth the Glazers staying at the club is viable. Admittedly, they might be stupid enough to try and do it, but I highly doubt the Raine Group will be advising them that it is a good idea.
If you are inviting people for more access to financials after they have submitted takeover bids, you do not do that if there isn't some room for negotiation. Doing that with no intention of negotiation is a waste of time and a sure-fire way of p*ssing a bidder off. How would they get other bidders to the table in the future if they've played the sort of games they have with this bidding process knowing full well they weren't going to get the price they wanted? They'd be laughed out of the room
These fecking grasping criminals. How the hell is this allowed to happen.
I hope once they pocket the money they get beaten up in the dark alley they will undoubtedly exit by, and all the loot is stolen. Then the robber reveals himself to be Erik who wheels it away in a shiny war chest.
I hope once they pocket the money they get beaten up in the dark alley they will undoubtedly exit by, and all the loot is stolen. Then the robber reveals himself to be Erik who wheels it away in a shiny war chest.
So you think Eliott will just be handing over money with no stipulations?
Well and good but they didnt need to make public that SJR/SJ were having discussions at the club at all. Meanwhile Elliott group must have had similar discussions wouldnt you agree? The only posturing is the Glazers making people think they considered a full sale - something they never desired.
That’s quite an interesting idea
He got 14 out of 15 in one of Andy Mitten’s quizzes. He’s proper.
Just to be on the safe side, none of them have a son called Bruce, right?
We didn’t have a penny to spend in January because we’re in the weeds, financially. Hence they need to sell either the whole club or a chunk of it to increase our liquidity. Which involves balancing the books as much as possible beforehand. Again, standard business practice.
I’m sorry the futures bright, the futures Glazer.
If they end up being the ones handing over the cash, there will be plenty of stipulations and some equity.
It's financing. They will provide sufficient investment for infrastructure, maybe for transfers etc and of course they will want a return on that i.e. significantly more than they put up. It will essentially be more debt for the club.
Said it before but after even more thought I'm more convinced it's posturing. They aren't going to go to Raine, brief a full sale being a feasible solution, find two bids tabled for 5bn plus and then walk away.
They'd burn so many bridges with foreign owners, with consortiums and with financial intermediaries. They are also smart to know when to sell, and that's more than likely right now before further regulatory changes take place in the Premier League to prevent state ownership.
They'd burn so many bridges with foreign owners, with consortiums and with financial intermediaries. They are also smart to know when to sell, and that's more than likely right now before further regulatory changes take place in the Premier League to prevent state ownership.
You’re just being dramatic.
As if Eliott going to a match is more telling than JR and SJ literally spending a day at the club each going through things with a fine tooth comb.
Correct.
So how will they get a return?
zero concerns that the Glazers won't sell
When did you turn in to such a drama Queen?
Elliott will have had discussions, likely for hours too. It's just that it wasn't to the knowledge of the media. Do you think that they couldnt have conducted them without the knowledge of the media/public?
We heard about those discussion because the Glazers wanted us to.
How much would Raine want if after all this the Glazers had wasted their time?
I presume they don't work on a no win, no fee basis.
I presume they don't work on a no win, no fee basis.
Okay, we might get somewhere here! Now after you've hopefully read up about the state of Utd's finances currently and everything you know about what the Glazers have been their whole tenure, how can you be so adamant that the Glazers will stay?
Yep I agree mate we're too far down the road for it not to happen. None of these info leaks bother me.
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