You’re saying that fans who are watching the club under current ownership will continue to watch the club under current ownership? Sounds very reasonable to me. I reckon I’m in that gang.
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You’re saying that fans who are watching the club under current ownership will continue to watch the club under current ownership? Sounds very reasonable to me. I reckon I’m in that gang.
I don't buy that. Protests last time definitely had an impact on the Glazer siblings.
They can’t stand the heat
I’ve said I don’t want a cheat code (apart from my moment of weakness after the Liverpool game) but at least Qatar wouldn’t be laughing in my face as a fan.
I never said I wouldn’t take Jim as an owner?
Good joke
Yep, takeover will fall through and we'll be stuck with the parasites.
I don't know how they can expect over 6 billion when the current world record purchase for a sports team is 3.8b.
I don't know how they can expect over 6 billion when the current world record purchase for a sports team is 3.8b.
With respect, there has been a consistent line that the glazers could well stay. At what point do we stop saying it’s negotiation tactics and accept that it’s likely they are going nowhere?
I can understand people walking away if they find the new ownership situation intolerable. Everyone has their line in the sand. What I don’t get is this threat to walk away if things stay exactly the same as it has been while you’ve followed the club for the last 18 years?
Keegan and the rest of the media showed how much they really know about this process last night. They queued up to announce the bids were in and then had to backtrack.
They are just relaying the latest group text. It's not over if a D list journalist says the Glazers want more money
They are just relaying the latest group text. It's not over if a D list journalist says the Glazers want more money
Does anybody know what sort of fees the Raine group will be charging for their work?
Control being the operative word.
If a full sale is off the cards, Ineos could well still purchase the shares of the rumoured reluctant remainer siblings.
When it's been confirmed I imagine.
I think another hostile protest might be in order
You make this sound like a transfer saga.
I don’t know why so many are melting down over a daily fail reporter. Zero perspective
This.
He's missed a trick here with this business plan, if he got 6 billion United fans they'd only need to pay 50p each.
When they definitively come out and say that they are going nowhere and are seeking investment, just as FSG did with Liverpool. Do you seriously believe that they have let these potential buyers spend hours at Old Trafford going through all the accounts if the gap for negotiation is £1.5 billion pounds? Their reputation as businessmen would be absolutely trashed. They know with absolute certainly that they will never get a better price for the club than right now. They have never wanted to invest their own money in the club and this is what has to happen for Utd to increase in value. This won't happen if they get further outside investment which would mean further increased debt and their asset value would plummet.
I still maintain its negotiation, purely because them staying is economically bonkers.
Edit: Bare in mind as well that these bidders will have finance people helping them put their bids together who are likely to know the true value of the club. The Raine Group probably know the value is less than what the Glazers would hope for but their job is to get the Glazers the best possible price.
The fact that the 2nd bids are higher is a win for the Raine Group and Glazers in that respect. Now it is just a question of whether they believe these bidders can be encouraged to go further. With the Qatari bid being described as a 'final bid' and INEOS briefing they won't be reckless, they know its not likely they can be pushed further. I don't think its likely that the Glazers look at a world record 5bn bid for an asset they put only 200m of their own money in and go "nah that's not enough bruh"
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It won’t be the same though. They waved a sale in our face without any intention to follow through only to (probably) load more debt on the club and make things worse than they are even now. They will not sell shares and use their own money to invest. It’ll be parlayed into some loan and we’ll be left rotting from the inside out.
There’s every chance we will be asset stripped in the years to come and I don’t want to be around to support it.
It's what redcafe does isn't it? Ridicule any positive news but take any negative as fact and commence meltdown?
Whether it's transfers, matchday or takeover.
Presumably all that's actually going on here is that we are finally at the stage where numbers are being seriously discussed and so all parties are briefing that they are willing to walk away, because it would be a rather odd negotiation tactic to brief you were happy to conclude a deal regardless of the price.
£3995, call it four grand
1) The Glazers have never reinvested monies into the club. Why now?
2) Liverpool aren’t for sale. FSG very publicly stated.
Except nothing has been confirmed at all..
Complete and utter nonsense.
I’m positive some here love the negativity and enjoy it.
If this bloke is a good authority then this is very telling. Why would they be wasting their time unless the Glazers have no intention of a full sale, no matter the price?
Do not underestimate Elliott group being at a home fixture recently - that is is significant and something that neither SJR or SJ were offered.
It's the same shit as the De Jong saga. Some people see things that are not there in every word. Double meanings, conspiracies, negotiation tactics. Then it turned out it was exactly what was said multiple times - he isn't interested.
It's exactly the same now. The reports the Glazers will not sell unless their demands are completely met have been consistent throughout the entire process, and reiterated multiple times by reliable sources. The bids will not meet their demands because their demands are outrageous. And the Glazers absolutely do not need to sell, much like Barcelona didn't need to last summer, despite the way some people talked with absolute certainty about it and the multiple pages of wanna-be financial analysis. Again, the same as now.
If the bidders don't meet the Glazers' demands, there isn't going to be a sale. It's as simple as that.
I think its a last push negotiation tactic to find middle ground from the Glazers.
I find it a bit nuts that they'd risk pissing off key investors and strategic relationships at this point.
I find it a bit nuts that they'd risk pissing off key investors and strategic relationships at this point.
This isnt really news. Glazers want 6bn in some currency, if they dont get it they take investment instead which I think they might have lined up from any number of places.
You all need to chill the feck out, all this shit is just posturing.
Dunno what you mean about “their own money” but selling equity to raise funds to invest in the business is exactly what they’ll be doing if they don’t sell the whole thing. And that’s just a basic business practice. What’s your problem with it?
True.
Agreed
Looks like the Glazers are pushing the 'they might not sell'' story again to try to push Qatar's bid up.
So you're admitting you have no ability to look at the bigger picture, of all we've been told since the start and form an opinion until you are told in an official statement? No point being on a discussion board then I guess.
I think it's plausible they entertained SJR and SJ purely to make it look as though they had conducted a thorough process. Reputation wouldn't be trashed at all - they can say they assessed all options and decided they would seek minority investment, which I firmly believe was the intention from the outset.
that's not really a negative or nonsense, it's always been on the cards since the start. That was actually a sensible analysis.That was my thought. If they want to sell surely the huge profit they will make at anything from the current bids and above will be enough for them? I'd guess (but of course could well be wrong) is that all that is going on now is finalising the price.
Come gather round children, it's high time ye learned bout a hero name Jassim
And a Villain named Joel
We'll march till we drop
The girls and the fellas
We'll fight to the death
Or else fold like umbrellas
So we'll march day and night
By the mega club store.
They have the club
But we have the power.
And a Villain named Joel
We'll march till we drop
The girls and the fellas
We'll fight to the death
Or else fold like umbrellas
So we'll march day and night
By the mega club store.
They have the club
But we have the power.
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