stevoc
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Very enlightening thank you but that's beside the point I was making.
You're welcome mate.
Very enlightening thank you but that's beside the point I was making.
I think things have been delayed as we have workmen in trying to fix the toilets.The quiet before the storm?
I think things have been delayed as we have workmen in trying to fix the toilets.
Can someone check the Shard, Harrods and Heathrow fan forums to find out how they felt about it…So Qatar are allowed to own one of the most iconic buildings in the capital, the most famous British department store, be the biggest shareholder in the biggest airport, etc etc, but a line needs to be drawn when it comes to a football club; especially with another 2 football clubs owned by other ME states.
Ok then...
We're not the UK government. Who cares about others. We're Man United.So Qatar are allowed to own one of the most iconic buildings in the capital, the most famous British department store, be the biggest shareholder in the biggest airport, etc etc, but a line needs to be drawn when it comes to a football club; especially with another 2 football clubs owned by other ME states.
Ok then...
Football is always an easy target for sanctimony because it’s not essential. As if money spent on United shirt goes directly to funding human rights abuse, while money spent on essentials goes to the Qatari Orphans and Puppies fund.So Qatar are allowed to own one of the most iconic buildings in the capital, the most famous British department store, be the biggest shareholder in the biggest airport, etc etc, but a line needs to be drawn when it comes to a football club; especially with another 2 football clubs owned by other ME states.
Ok then...
It will take ages to find a decent plumber....and then they'll have to deal with increased costs of getting PVC pipe in without it being redirected to Ukraine!I think things have been delayed as we have workmen in trying to fix the toilets.
So it’s not really about objecting to human rights violations, because the money would go to the same people.Can someone check the Shard and Heathrow fan forums to find out how they felt about it…
Can someone check the Shard, Harrods and Heathrow fan forums to find out how they felt about it…
Can someone check the Shard, Harrods and Heathrow fan forums to find out how they felt about it…
I'm not arguing what sections of fans think about it, everyone is entitled to their own view. Just that the UK government are going to stop this takeover.Can someone check the Shard, Harrods and Heathrow fan forums to find out how they felt about it…
AgreedWe're not the UK government. Who cares about others. We're Man United.
Very trueFootball is always an easy target for sanctimony because it’s not essential. As if money spent on United shirt goes directly to funding human rights abuse, while money spent on essentials goes to the Qatari Orphans and Puppies fund.
So you’re essentially assigning arbitrary value to human rights violations.We're not the UK government. Who cares about others. We're Man United.
I think unfurling a banner and it ends up being that is worth ridicule.
I also get the feeling that Jassim’s father saying he’s not a football fan and doesn’t think it’s a worthwhile investment is some downplaying tactic to disguise a state bid and make it seem more like one guy‘s legit dream investment that he’s doing off his own back.
So I sense some more PR spin to come in the following weeks, especially from the Mail and Mike Keegan who they seem to have enlisted. The parent company of the Mail, DMGT, is based in Kensington, which isn’t that far away from the Qatari stronghold of Harrods and also the new United offices are set to be based in Kensington (moving from Mayfair).
Could be complete coincidence but may be something to wonder about further down the line.
So it’s not really about objecting to human rights violations, because the money would go to the same people.
I’m not sure anyone has really reacted to it at all to be honest. It’s ok to call out the half assed nature of itYeah, if it happened in a Blackadder sketch.
We all know what this is about, though.
The amount of people who genuinely reacted to it as they would a Blackadder sketch is...my estimate would be around zero.
Harrods is just a business.So Qatar are allowed to own one of the most iconic buildings in the capital, the most famous British department store, be the biggest shareholder in the biggest airport, etc etc, but a line needs to be drawn when it comes to a football club; especially with another 2 football clubs owned by other ME states.
Ok then...
No it’s not. It’s a childish pathetic reaction to somebody raising an important concern.I’m not sure anyone has really reacted to it at all to be honest. It’s ok to call out the half assed nature of it
A football club is a community asset. It’s an identity for millions. It’s history and tradition. It’s not something that should be for private individuals to trade, profit from and use to their own ends. It’s not just an asset on a balance sheet, it has intangible qualities that mean more than simple finance.
Football clubs are special and should be protected.
No it’s not. I can do this too.No it’s not. It’s a childish pathetic reaction to somebody raising an important concern.
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Is this a better and more serious banner? It’s pretty big!
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Is this a better and more serious banner? It’s pretty big!
It’s clearly more than ‘a biro and some A4’, a choice of words to again mock and belittle those holding it.No it’s not. I can do this too.
Pointing out how pathetic it looked isn’t downplaying abuses in fecking Qatar.
Would you not say protesting the abuses in Qatar would warrant a bit more effort than a Biro and an A4?
Down with this sort of thing
No, but they’re not an organisation as Amnesty international nor did they notify the press that they were going to unfurl a fecking banner.It’s clearly more than ‘a biro and some A4’, a choice of words to again mock and belittle those holding it.
So these guys and their bedsheet are pathetic looking too?
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Yes! And whose face is that I wonder?!!That's backed by so many fans.
What do human rights violations have to do with your personal preferences? Again, if the money goes to the same place and the same human rights violators, the fact that you're more passionate about United than a building means absolutely nothing. My issue is with people talking down to other posters for wanting Qatar to buy United, or accept that it's out of our control and will continue to support the club the same way they did under previous owners.I’ve been to The Shard once in my life. Thought it was a waste of money and time. I’ve been to Old Trafford more times than I’d care to try and remember and spent an unfathomable amount of hours watching, discussing, supporting United. Is the consensus that I should feel equally passionate about who owns The Shard and United?
If the issue you have is with supporting a state that has committed human rights violations, what difference does it make what the money making endeavor is?Harrods is just a business.
The Shart is just property.
A football club is a community asset. It’s an identity for millions. It’s history and tradition. It’s not something that should be for private individuals to trade, profit from and use to their own ends. It’s not just an asset on a balance sheet, it has intangible qualities that mean more than simple finance.
Football clubs are special and should be protected.
I can answer, it's called hypocrisyIf the issue you have is with supporting a state that has committed human rights violations, what difference does it make what the money making endeavor is?
Who is holding the banner and what it looks like is irrelevant. What is important is the message and issues it raises.No, but they’re not an organisation as Amnesty international nor did they notify the press that they were going to unfurl a fecking banner.
They’re also fans of the club by the way, not an outside force trying to represent fans at a game.
It’s so bad you’re comparing it to Dave the brickies effort here, that should tell you something.
Im not downplaying the need to get the anti Qatar voices heard but it’s worth a bit effort than the abysmal, token protest we saw on Sunday and there’s no harm in calling that out.
Manchester United’s charter says suppliers must not use forced labour and must practice ‘universal respect for human rights and freedoms for all, without discrimination of age, disability, gender or sexual orientation’ - how is this compatible with Qatari ownership?
“Our city has much to be proud of in the struggle for human rights - giving birth to the labour movement, trade unions and women’s suffrage - so allowing our great clubs to be used for sportswashing seems like a shoddy betrayal of this proud heritage.
BoomI can answer, it's called hypocrisy
Anyone here support Harrod's, and cheer them on?If the issue you have is with supporting a state that has committed human rights violations, what difference does it make what the money making endeavor is?
So if the money is coming from Harrod's, does that make the human rights violations more palatable for you?Anyone here support Harrod's, and cheer them on?
Were you as excited when they took over Harrod's as you are about them taking over United? I imagine you must have been if you think the active decision to support a football club and the emotional attachment to it makes no difference to how we should feel about this takeover.So if the money is coming from Harrod's, does that make the human rights violations more palatable for you?
What do human rights violations have to do with your personal preferences? Again, if the money goes to the same place and the same human rights violators, the fact that you're more passionate about United than a building means absolutely nothing. My issue is with people talking down to other posters for wanting Qatar to buy United, or accept that it's out of our control and will continue to support the club the same way they did under previous owners.
I can answer, it's called hypocrisy
More of a negotiating tactic than anything.
You don't give you son 5B if you're not interested in football![]()