I've a feeling we won't. It'll be smoke and mirrors and no, no it's not a state backed bid and no, no we don't also own PSG, honest.
Anyway I've had enough of repeating myself. I'd better go do some actual work.
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I've a feeling we won't. It'll be smoke and mirrors and no, no it's not a state backed bid and no, no we don't also own PSG, honest.
Anyway I've had enough of repeating myself. I'd better go do some actual work.
I listened to the Jim O'Neil podcast and he said that Raine said there were 10 or so bids for Chelsea when in reality there were only about 3 serious bids
We wouldn’t play another game this season if they’re still connected to the club after all this
Member of the royal family and Qatari banker of the state funded bank*
Waiting game until Raine go through the bids
At this point of the process no one said anything that should lead to hard conclusion. At first Boehly was a single businessman if I'm remember correctly, it's only later when actual bid were actually made that the association with Clearlake was made.
How does that happen? Just make a cheeky bid after a couple pints for a laugh? What’s £4b anyway.
The Qatari banker whose wealth is lesser than Sir Jim's?
If someone phones you and says "How much?" You tell them and they reply "feck that, you're having a laugh" they're still an 'interested party'.
Bids below the asking price I would guess. Or things like Ratcliffe coming in after the deadline.
Elliot group back the Glazers is worst possible scenario. Paul Singer, the owner of Elliot, is one of the worst people in America. He is known for buying successful business, stripping their assets and leaving their corpse for dead.
More from another article here -
"In Abu Dhabi and Qatar...ruling family members are in control of powerful companies that dominate the economy – either personally or through sovereign wealth funds. The large-scale involvement of royals in the economy came about earlier in Qatar (in the late 1980s) than in Abu Dhabi (in the early 2000s), but has since increased in both emirates. The economic weight of former Qatari prime minister Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani and several sons of the late UAE president Sheikh Zayed, including Abu Dhabi’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed and UAE Deputy Prime Minister Mansour bin Zayed, illustrates this transition. Merchant elites are now subservient to the ruling families and are obliged to adapt to the latter’s business priorities...
... Business interests in Qatar and the UAE are to a large extent protected by the close interconnection of often indistinguishable economic and political elites..."
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I believe we have heard about the best 2 bids in terms of whats best for the club. If you aren't a fan or crazy rich billionaire (some of these bids could be coming from that sort) then what is in it for you. The club is going to sell for a massive premium with no head room to sell for a profit in the next 10-20 years.
I'm worried the rest could be leeches looking to make money from the club through dividends and potential to sell anything from stadium naming rights to future TV revenue.
Bit rude.
They couldn't even get the Chelsea sale correct!
I think he basically meant that Raine exaggerated the number of bidders and thinks they could be doing it again, to make it seem like an auction so that the winning bidder pays more
Probably to do with them being publicly traded companies so want to remain private.
There are allegedly NDAs, the bidders aren't and weren't meant to declare themselves. The two that did shouldn't have.
Come on Xi. What are you waiting for?
Of course. I just find it absurd that the people claiming it isn't, aren't then also trying to find out how it could conceivably be financed otherwise...He's just gonna find the money to invest in everything on a scale akin to state ownership, because he said so, and we don't need to look into it in the same way we're looking into every other bid.... No one would argue that in good faith unless they know it's state ownership, and just want a way to excuse it.
Just own it FFS
Well legally Man City are owned by a private company which is turn owned by a private individual in Sheikh Mansour. Him being a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal family and brother of its ruler is completely coincidental. ADUG say they are not connected to the state.
Just as it's possible United will be owned by a private company which is in turn owned by a private individual in Sheikh Jassim. Who also by some strange stroke of happenstance is a member of the Qatari Royal family and cousin to the Emir.
I think your problem is to simply equal the royal family to Qatar state. But, some people might think them separated when considering a situation like this. The purpose of owning manutd could have many alternatives. Not necessarily aimed to benefit the state, but personal willingness for instance. That’s my understanding why some are not convinced of the conclusion that it’s a state backed decision. In fact, it’s backed by the royal family.
The man works for a Qatari bank majority funded by the Qatari SWF. No financial transaction which amounts to 5% of the countries GDP in an economy centrally controlled by an absolute monarchy without being explicitly signed off and funded by the state.
You can keep your head in the sand as much as you like if it makes you comfortable, but it's not going to convince anyone else.
Oh and @city-puma here's another one of these people you told me don't exist. @Withnail is looking more and more right every day.
At the moment, I prefer to think it a royal family behavior in the name of benefiting Qatar state and therefore further solidifying the royal family’s power and continuation of their control. We also know a revolution could break it down in the future. In that case, it might result in the complete detachment of the ownership from Qatar state if that state will still exist.
My suggestion is that take it easy. The others’ opinions are not as naive as it firstly sounds.
Who also works for a state funded bank, whose entire liquidity is provided by the SWF of the Qatar state.
It's all just a lovely coincidence.
I'd bet my house that several of the people now denouncing human rights groups because they criticize Qatar/the takeover didn't have any strong anti-Amnesty feelings before this. If Qatar buys United, then a lot of fans will defend them. Qatar is horribly oppressive against the LGBT+ population, and that will be downplayed.
The transphobic article was written to defend them, it's literally titled "Opinion: Hypocrisy and virtue signalling aside, are we any better than Qatar?". Maybe the author has always been a transphobe, perfectly possible, but an article like that would never have been written.
Raine has asked for all bids to be private at this stage
@Withnail He's become the thing he claimed didn't exist. This is a tremendous turn of events.
Correct I made an error was referencing a private fund his company has access to
And from another article - "Government in Qatar has always been a family affair and historically there has been no real distinction between the income of the state and that of the ruler."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/42...GcRz1EOSNN2-dZfH-GOSWoNNc17yfMlM4XlcfuuUnAQew
Yup. I'm just curious as to how much it would actually take to clear the debt, improve the stadium, sort the infrastructure. and then let United get on sustaining itself?
This bottomless pit of wealth is not necessary, but for some folks it's like that "...considerably richer than YAU." character Enfield had.
The biggest United aggregator account reposted that article too. Disgraceful stuff.
I honestly dont believe the bids are private. Agents and high ranking would talk and give plain numbers to meet. It's not state secret. It's called a bidding war off course it's just not made for public consumption
Indeed. It isn't surprising that some people here need that clarified for them though, as even some people you'd think would know all about how completely coincidental that relationship is slip up.
That doesn’t mean a possible Qatar bid allowed the author to finally come out as being an idiot. That’s absurd.
What other opportunity would he have had to write about Trans people? Sneak it into a match report?
Yeah it's bizarre the hoops people are jumping through here to delude themselves into thinking this isn't a state backed takeover.
Whatever helps them sleep ar nights I suppose.
I think I need a lie down.
You are probably too narrow minded and lack of logic. I remember I always say it’s royal family’s decision.
Right. People now have a reason to attack trans people that they didn't have before. For some this will be people who already held transphobic views that weren't relevant to air, and some will discover new transphobic beliefs because it's convenient.
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