I just harshly think its double standards. I dont know anyone on here and couldnt really be arsed.
The sport is fecked no matter what, and for me it has lost it charm.
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I just harshly think its double standards. I dont know anyone on here and couldnt really be arsed.
The sport is fecked no matter what, and for me it has lost it charm.
He initially did a very good job with PSG, he built a balanced team in terms of skills, age and mentality but his comeback was a disaster.
Nowhere just saying theres plenty of charges you could throw at your own government/how ridiculous the statement was.
There'd be mass protests and riots if that was the case. Probably more cancelled games?
No updates. We hope we'll hear something next week regarding prospective buyers (there should be 5+ of them). There are unlikely to be updates of any significance before then. The Glazers will then start reducing the number down to three or four preferred bidders.
When one person or one family controls everything in a country for life and power goes in heretige, I don't have an issue with that, I have a huge problem with that. It's wrong from the bottom and up. Do you think dictatorships, absolute monarchies or other totalitarian regimes are ok?
The President of America or Primeminister of the UK isn't selfappointed for life or personally buying this club. While I disagree with a lot of US and UK politics, they have some fundamentally important things in place, such as free elections, freedom of speach, religion and sexuality. It's not perfect, but you don't get prosecuted for speaking against your government or not believing or believing in the "wrong" god.
In that case they can't buy the club, because the Glazers demand huge money.
Your post made it look like you were blaming the Glazers - the people who actually govern the club - for the UK's (or the US's, who knows) COVID response. I was confused.
I don't want us to have state ownership. I have 0 say in it though and it wouldn't impact me supporting the club or impact any of the players on the pitch who I actually support. Would go from one owner that I dislike to another, for different reasons.
The fans actually do however have a say in if a player who we know did not good things comes back into the fold. It is much more direct to what we support, and how we support. The owners aren't paraded around the field, seen as role models to youth, celebrated every day. That's the players.
Being a player of Man United is a position of privilege where you are representing the shirt to hundreds of millions ever day. I think it's understandable to feel stronger about doing the right things with the players who everyone here supports vs putting the owners on the back burner and feeling you don't support them but they don't represent the club.
You honestly feel stronger about the actions of 1 single player than about the actions of those who own and profit from the entire thing!?
Simply put no ones running around with the Emir of Qatar on the back of their shirt but you take your own daughter to a match and explain to her why everyone has Masons.
Yes, they are. And it's an abomination which should never have been allowed.
There's no source of money in Qatar which isn't dependent on sovereign wealth which could afford Man Utd. If you have to lie to yourself about where the money is coming from and who is ultimately in change then that's your call, but please don't try and force your delusional fantasy on me.
Ok I see what you're saying mate fair enough, an American consortium of vulture capitalists wouldn't be my first choice either if I'm honest. The Glazers have did a number on most of us but I'm more concerned about a potential buyers plans for the club than where they're from.
When it comes to United, yes. What do you think of when you think of the football club you support? What do you support a football Club for? The players, the football they play, the coaching staff is it for me. Everything else is just noise. If a player has committed crimes, then they shouldn't be representing the club. You don't want random kids to be wearing Greenwoods shirt around. They don't know better. All they see are the players on the pitch who are hero's for them. They don't know anything about ownership or care about it. Nobody supports a football Club because of an owner. Nobody watches football because of the owner. The owner is irrelevant to the core aspect of football, the reasons we watch it. We watch it to watch people who are really good at playing the support we all grew up loving.
The player is very relevant to all of that. And it is far more within the control of the fans and the coaching staff. Ownership of a club is exclusively handled among the 0.00001% of billionaires around the world. How they manage it, how long, what decisions they make, who they sell to, how the new owner decides to run... There is literally 0 input in any of those decisions from anyone actually part of the reason anyone watches football. So while yes, I don't want state ownership, and if I were going to old Trafford regularly I would do my bit to protest the issues they have... I also just can't bring myself to care more than that. As I'm not supporting the owners. I'm not watching because of owners. I'm not even watching the owner. I'm watching the players.
A player is in a position of honor. Based on the justice system, Greenwood is a free man. He is free to live his life. I'm not disputing that. I hope he makes a decent man out of himself and makes up for what he did. I don't think he should ever go back to a position of power, of celebrity status like he had being a United player. Theres a massive difference between the 2.
If what we read about the Emir re his wealth, his supporting of United and his determination to buy us, logically he's the one buying us.
I'm sure after this soft deadline in two days there'll be some posturing and negotiating. We'll hear five times how the Glazer's aren't sure of selling part or all of the club. Then they'll want more than the Qatari offers.
But I'm sure if that's all true, he gets us.
My question is, once the bid is accepted, how long until he owns us and the Glazers have nothing to do with us?
I'm sure after this soft deadline in two days there'll be some posturing and negotiating. We'll hear five times how the Glazer's aren't sure of selling part or all of the club. Then they'll want more than the Qatari offers.
But I'm sure if that's all true, he gets us.
My question is, once the bid is accepted, how long until he owns us and the Glazers have nothing to do with us?
Yep. Players and the manager are the only part of a club who are in positions of celebrity status. Being in those positions come with social responsibilities, and you are judged by society. If Greenwood was a random accountant and was accused of sexual assault, nobody would know. The case would go on, if it went as it did, he'd simply remain in his role and that would be fair, whether it happened or not, because he is not in some celebrity status. He is not convicted of any crime. It's very different parading this person as a hero and celebrity as a United player. That's why I take issue with Arsenal doing it with Partey. You'll have kids wearing that players shirt on their back, despite that player being likely a
monster.
One thing it's very safe to say looking at this thread is that this potential ownership has divided fanbase again. Unfortunately there wasn't one that everyone was going to agree on.
Is Friday a hard date, or just a look at who is interested?
Apparently, a reported from Bloomberg reported that its a soft deadline.
Interested parties are to write a couple paragraphs about their interest.
No way will Qatar turn to Spurs... they will get us one way or the other if they really want us
What do people feel about a full Qatari takeover vs partial sale to investors with Glazers still in charge?
I don't think there are any other options. Musk is a pipe dream. Ratcliffe / INEOS isn't happening.
I don't think there are any other options. Musk is a pipe dream. Ratcliffe / INEOS isn't happening.
From my point of view it's the opposite. Players come and go, and with ~25 of them under contract any given year we are by sheer numbers bound to have some now and again that one can't be proud of (Or even detests because of his actions). Owners stay for decades. Their link to the club is a lot stronger than that of most of the players.
Whether we like it or not the club is going to remain an investment for someone for the foreseeable future. And we are cheering that investment. You can attempt to ignore that like one ignores that a movie is an investment for someone while watching it. But to keep watching movies week in week out without ever acknowledging that there's an interest behind it would be naive. Now we are all used to that interest being money, it's how our world works. But say someone bought the movie studios and had so much money they didn't need to care about financial interests. Their motivation would need to be something else. And to keep watching their movies without being aware of that would be beyond me.
JP Morgan Chase, you know the company named as part of Ratcliffe's bid is responsible for probably directly, but most certainly indirectly, killing thousands of people, systematically destroying thousands of people's lives, massive corruption, facilitating criminal networks etc and getting away with it apart from useless fines at best.
I'm absolutely fine with people reacting more to human rights issues on a state level but atleast judge the morale compass of all potentiall part-owners/key institutions potentially behind a takeover. But it's no negative media attention on that at all, whilst they at the same time wastes no time in churning out only negative articles regarding the ME - like the ME is some sort of homogenous region that is completely regressive.
From the Ben Jacobs interview today, with United's People, I am a lot more reserved about a potential Qatar bid. As he says, sometimes the quietest are the most dangerous.
However, having said all that, I still believe Qatar will prevail. There's just so much that directs their way, such as, the free port access to Port Salford, and QIA already doing business there. The redevelopment of the area in and around the stadium.
However, having said all that, I still believe Qatar will prevail. There's just so much that directs their way, such as, the free port access to Port Salford, and QIA already doing business there. The redevelopment of the area in and around the stadium.
Actually on paper City are owned by ADUG which is a private company owned by Sheikh Mansour and claims to be separate from the Abu Dhabi Government. Apart of course from it's owner being the Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE and the brother of the ruler of Abu Dhabi. It would largely be the same with Qatar and United I'd imagine.
During the 90’s when Sky came along and a load of money came with them, my grandad, a City fan, complained for years about the game being gone and how the money was ruining the game etc.
He’s 86 now and still watches the PL and all major competitions on a regular basis.
Football is going to change over the next 10 years whether we like it or not, and we can stay involved or moan about it, and we can moan and argue all we want but once they start kicking a ball that’s all we care about at that point.
The hysterics
go network and find us that billionaire buyer then
you want people to go protest about prospective buyers after they’ve spent years protesting for the club to be sold?
while you’re talking about the miracles you think Ten Hag will be capable of pulling - he’s telling you he’s very much looking forward for an acquisition because more money
nobody it appears will give the Glazers money to stay, thankfully. if they do they would be viewed as in bed with them and unwelcome
One thing that's clear is those in fully in favour are willing to shut down any criticism against, irrespective of how ridiculous their support becomes.
The hypocrisy and whataboutary is incredible.
You can acknowledge their shortcomings even if you support their bifold to purchase the club you know. You don't need to be the Qatari PR campaign on Redcafe.
The hypocrisy and whataboutary is incredible.
You can acknowledge their shortcomings even if you support their bifold to purchase the club you know. You don't need to be the Qatari PR campaign on Redcafe.
*pipe nightmare. Tempted to say he’s the worst option of the lot.
Miguel is a clueless negative clown.
Honestly it would be absolutely tragic if the Glazers didn’t sell after all this.
I get where you're coming from with the rest of your post, but this bit is not true.
Absolute shit who had a mini meltdown about this very subject on Twitter last night.
Literally waits for everyone else to break news then repeats the same thing days later
Succession, but boring.
I guess you'll have to add all the NATO countries to that list because the Americans, and I'm not one, are not the only ones, many of these events, whilst carried out by the US military are actually under the auspices of NATO
The majority of the discussions in the political threads are domestic issues though
Apparently it will be done by Q1 of this year, so optimistically no later than the end of March.
Players come and go but they're the ones who represent the club. I'm not watching the club for some rich cnut to be richer. That's just a very side story to the main point of football which is the direct players and coaching staff. If it comes out that a player is scum, they shouldn't represent the club again. Because representing the club on the pitch is a position of celebrity power where you have countless people who look up to you. Nobody looks up to the owner of a football club. They're just the owner. Important role, but not a celebrity role, not the reason for any obsession. I couldn't even tell you the names of any owners before the Glazers because I was a kid who didn't care about that, and before 94 just not alive and who actually cares about what our history of owners is? Feels irrelevant. What is relevant, is the great players and managers we've had over the decades.
If you're bothered about what the exact purpose of an owner taking over the club, I still feel like Qatar here would be a grey area. There is a very real possibility that they want United because United is super popular there, the actual Emir is a United fan, and he just wants to swing his financial dick around and say he owns the club either for his people, or because he has enough money where he can just say that and make the club successful in his eyes. It's a very real possibility that that is simply the case. In general I disagree with state ownership and ME owners are their own special case of moral issues, but the reason for the ownership is a grey area IMO. In which case it is just a very rich fan who runs their country in a bad way/way we don't agree with.
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