We did very briefly as the house they gave us was ludicrously big but she transferred to another expat family when we pulled the pin and left. Locking a fridge in case someone "steal food" especially when they leaves all the household valuable on open display is screwed up beyond belief. And of course we wouldn't have even considered it.
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We did very briefly as the house they gave us was ludicrously big but she transferred to another expat family when we pulled the pin and left. Locking a fridge in case someone "steal food" especially when they leaves all the household valuable on open display is screwed up beyond belief. And of course we wouldn't have even considered it.
Confused at what you're referring to. I was talking about general wage disparity. You make more money in the west in general .
If you talk about immigrants, they are making more money than their home countries -- India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc I'm talking about the poorest immigrants. Still not sure what you're getting at here though so I can't answer you. As for elitist mindset, I never claimed its everyone but it's there and this and many other Qatar/Middle east threads are proof of that
This is one of my biggest worries football wise if the Qatar ownership goes through - forcing players on the manager, demanding them to be played etc etc. We need to support ETH in HIS decisions, not impose anything on him.
Not everyone
That's a whole different can of worms but how are we a socialist club. We're a mega corp with a stock market price and shareholders.
Go on then Karl Marx, tell us why are we a socialist.
Debt gone, unlimited funds in the bank, new stadium/ facilities is what we want I don’t give 2 fecks where that money comes from.
Bring on Qatar
Bring on Qatar
I was referring to when you wrote something like “gasping at wage disparity in the ME when it happens in the west too”.. or something along those lines
anyway, doesn’t matter
Course we are a socialist club. Northern England and from Manchester. Manchester is a notoriously socialist city and our club represents it more than any other.
Even today our golden boy Marcus Rashford etc. It’s socialist values and left leaning through and through. Always has been hopefully always will be.
It’s pretty obvious we are. Most of our matchgoing fans and the local area is for one. It’s built into the DNA of our club and the city it comes from.
Best quote from this entire thread as it can put everyone's mind at rest.
The idea that we need to be careful of propaganda but accept that women love living in Qatar is mental.
https://amp.theguardian.com/global-...ed-as-children-qatari-women-tell-rights-group
https://amp.theguardian.com/global-...ed-as-children-qatari-women-tell-rights-group
You seriiusly need to google socialism
I'd say women's rights should start with women not requiring permission from men to do things, wouldn't you?
The reporters that have been told information are the ones who have simply reported a bid is expected
The ones that want to appear like they've been told information too are making up shit about investment intentions, transfer budgets, signing targets etc
The ones that want to appear like they've been told information too are making up shit about investment intentions, transfer budgets, signing targets etc
Why are you all discussing Qatar, when the worlds richest man says he wants to buy us.
Who cares about oil in middle-east, when u get offered a SpaceX ride to work?
Who cares about oil in middle-east, when u get offered a SpaceX ride to work?
I'd take Qatar, or even Idi Amin any day over that fella. It'll be too much of a distraction from football.
Just because religion and belief is very weak in the UK that doesn't mean that it applies everywhere. I can speak about my country who is one of the most Catholic conservative country in Europe. The church's grip was so strong that during the 60s it allowed the archbishop to basically excommunicate the labour party with labour voters being stopped from attending mass or being buried on holy grounds simply because it wanted a separation from religion and state. No one dared lifting a finger towards that injustice including the local governor and the British. That's because no one dared going against the local church not even the empire.
My grandparents had very different backgrounds. My grand father, a staunch labourite, worked in a thriving family business which made him in constant contact with foreign people. That contributed to make him quite open minded and well educated. My grand mother's father worked with the archbishop which made him as conservative as can be. Thus I was exposed of both point of view. I've met women of my grandparent's age (and even as young as women in their 40s) who believe that the good old ways were better, that women has no business in areas such as politics and high management and should stay at home bearing children. To this very day voters voting women in parliament was so shockingly low that adjustment measures were needed to facilitate women to enter parliament. That despite the majority of eligible voters in parliament are indeed women. Which is ironic really considering that the best current Maltese politician is actually female ie President of the European Parliament Roberta Metsola
I happen to have been born in a country who switched its mentality rather quickly in certain arguments such as gay rights (today Malta is at the forefront on that matter while the country I was raised in was hugely homophobic). From my experience countries will only change mentality when they are ready to do so. Forcing it either directly (war etc) or indirectly (insults, boycotts, sanctions etc) will only increase their hostility. Also note that changes aren't consistent and one can advance on one area and still be stuck in another area. Malta for example has a more stringent abortion rules then Saudi.
So if we have Qatari overlords, who becomes a feeder club? Us or PSG?
He's absolutely embarrassing, I've been reading this thread for the past 10 hours and I can't believe some of the shit this guy has posted since then...if his account wasn't from 2010 I'd totally believe that he's being paid to write those things.
wait he’s actually said it? I just assumed it was bollocks
How good of you to speak on behalf of most women living in Qatar. That seems totally legit and absolutely not a shining example of the issue at hand.
I really hope it's not going to happen. The Glazers are a case of better the devil you know, I'd take those leeches all day over becoming yet another sportswashing project to legitimatise a barbaric regime. We dont crave success, we are not City or Newcastle, we know what it's like to win the right way. We don't need this.
Can't be good for PSG either. Are the Qataris going to bother with them when they have a bigger club in a better league to play with?
Can't be good for PSG either. Are the Qataris going to bother with them when they have a bigger club in a better league to play with?
A commitment to develop all areas of the club and to wipe out all debt = perfect bid no matter where its coming from. Glazers would also be mad to reject. Nobody else is going to come anywhere near Qatar's bid so they better take the offer.
The house holder is responsible for their safety, food and shelter. If he's provided that then where is the abuse. They know the culture before they agree to sign a contract. If they wanted to be out unsupervised they should have not accept the Emirate's contract and went with the Kuwaitis were they have more of freedom. They have a choice before coming to the Arabian gulf. It's not slavery or imprisonment.
As for the dry dock story. It's a corrupt individual and can't be based as the norm. Governments dose not tolerate that and act in an opposite way to it. they encourage the society to be more Islamic and honest worthy influencers. One corrupt individual dose not change this massage that we hold morally before anything els. You can't just draw conclusions out of thin air based on that.
As for your friend of a friend story. I could say what about Oj Simpson ? would you say that the U.S. judicial system is a male centric entity?
the councillor. Again a corrupt individual and you base it as the norm. It doesn't happen frequently. Just like Jeffrey Epstein abused his corrupted web of individuals to get away with things. It's a detest subject and we have people who look for those corrupted personal to prosecute them legally.
What about your own Prince Andrew, why is he getting away from being prosecuted? based on the obvious evidences shown in a Netflix series.
As for you innocent friend Look up this show in Netflix it's called 'The Innocence Files'. A great watch of the u.s. judicial system.
It's not sport washing. It's bring us together as human beings. The purpose of hosting the world cup is this simple massage.
My tripe shall put United where they belong. Tamim is one of us he is a supporter of this great club.
Worryingly apt.
just to put some further context - @Abdullah7 before has justified Kashogg’s murder by the Saudis and also specifically mentions he has no atheist or gay friends. He has been celebrating the Saudi government on here for years and doesn’t get why we were so upset when they took over Newcastle.
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Bring on the oil money baby. Can not wait, Mbappe and Haaland in attack next season.
I'm not sure you understand the concept of 'fan owned'.
What the feck?
Lock the thread again.
Why?
This has been THE thread over the last few days. I’ve rarely seen something so illuminating. We’ve got people saying that Qatar isn’t that bad because people chose to enter a work force where they can’t be left unsupervised, having servants treated horribly is quite okay and it’s acceptable to believe that gay people will be punished when they die.
THIS is what people need to see. It’s all well and good saying “football is just escapism” but your escapism is going to be paid for by appalling viewpoints on human rights and dignity.
In this very thread you have people arguing that women should be controlled by men because they’re happy. That beheadings are okay from potential owners (this was another thread tbf) because it can’t be proven.
THIS is what sportswashing is. Some people will feel okay and not bothered because they love United and want them to do well. Others will love United and struggle to see such horrendous people having control of the club.
There is a price tk be paid with Qatari owners. Sentences like “if they want to be let out unsupervised they shouldn’t have taken the contract” and “servants are common across the world” is part of that price. Face up to it and admit that if you want the Qatari owners, you accept that cost. But don’t ignore the issue
it feels like parody at this point
I agree, which is why this oil money takeover is pointless and probably damaging in the long term. Whatever we win beyond the point of them taking over will be tarred with the same brush as any of city’s titles.
The stadium is the long term issue, but I’d rather give up naming rights for OT for ten years or so to fund its renovation than go down this route.
Edit: I still want the Glazers gone, but I’d be happier with a consortium who are competent and able to clear the debt and allow us to spend our own money, even if they’re not as flush with cash.
Because instead of defending a particular country or regions misdeeds it's much easier to deflect and bog a discussion down with ''but whatabout America?''.
Whataboutism is the defense of someone who has no defense.
‘US did this’, ‘UK did that’, yes but those who criticise the Gulf states are hardly jingoistic flag waivers are they?
‘US did this’, ‘UK did that’, yes but those who criticise the Gulf states are hardly jingoistic flag waivers are they?
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