Stronge? I think it’s perfectly cromulent!
Club Sale | It’s done!
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Agreed. This is the first time that a state sponsored group will take over one of the historical mega clubs that already has a gigantic fanbase. I imagine things will feel a lot different that the plastic vibes you get with a Manchester City or PSG. We were already big club that spent lots of money...we will continue to be a big club that spends a bit more money. It's not like we're going to spend any more than what Real Madrid or Barcelona have spent over the years and the soccer world continues to fawn all over them.
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Love how childish insults and abuse are totally accepted on the forum in regards to differences of opinion about our ownership...
Anything is allowed to fly if you feel somehow morally superior to others seemingly, rules of respectful discourse be damned
Anything is allowed to fly if you feel somehow morally superior to others seemingly, rules of respectful discourse be damned
And to think United fans are called arrogant and entitled. I wonder what gives that impression??
That's one of the reasons I call some folks supporters and some folks fans
Those of you prefering Elon feckin Musk over Qatar need to give your heads a wobble.
Yes it would be sad to be associated with a state like Qatar, but how you'd prefer some manic loon who aligns himself with far-right rhetoric and is proven to be a disaster in owning billion-dollar companies I will never understand. A pretty Tesla logo on our shirts doesn't soften that macabre reality.
Yes it would be sad to be associated with a state like Qatar, but how you'd prefer some manic loon who aligns himself with far-right rhetoric and is proven to be a disaster in owning billion-dollar companies I will never understand. A pretty Tesla logo on our shirts doesn't soften that macabre reality.
Do you eat meat? Do you own a smartphone? I know it’s frustrating to be owned by what you despise, but everything you do, own or support has some form of twisted ethics. I get not wanting the Qataris to own us but what do you gain by not supporting the club anymore? Man United (the football club, culture etc) is entirely separate from the owners. Personally I’m not be giving any of my money away by buying shirts, merch etc as that goes straight to the owners. But I’ll still follow Man Utd and you don’t have to feel bad about doing so (all in my opinion)
Shouldn't even be a debate. One is far, far worse in every respect to the other and would begin a shameful period for not just United, but football in general.
Please note I said worse, as in neither are good.
Yea but we are United. Hated, adored and all that.
I wonder if UEFA going to permit transfers between PSG and United in the meantime. Mbappe swapped for Phil Jones sounds like a reasonable deal to me.
Considering this gigantic size of United's global fanabase, 2000 fans leaving would be like a fart in the wind.
Everyone has a limit, you just haven't found yours.
Yeah from winning nothing to dominating the domestic competitions. Then there's the big investment into the areas surrounding the club. The financial doping of the team has made their success seem hollow, but the ownership has been great for the club and the surrounding community.
I hope United can find owners who will invest in the club and give back to the surrounding community.
Definetely if its qatari ownership. No need to be listed.
I mean the cyber truck wasn't that bad
This is a very snide post. The club can be every bit as serious a part of people lives and them still feel like they have to walk away to protest ownership they do not condone. They shouldn’t be belittled for taking a moral stance. I’m sure for many the prospect of losing their love of the club to state ownership is a real cause of genuine grief.
Is there any reason to think a bid from Qatar wouldn't be the biggest and wouldn't be the one accepted?
Because I am assuming the valuation other parties place on the club are likely to be more constrained by business rationale and there's no reason for the Glazers to do anything other than opt for the highest bid.
Is there any factor I'm missing that makes it more complicated than that? Aside from having to convince UEFA there are no significant ties to other Qatari backed clubs, I guess.
Because I am assuming the valuation other parties place on the club are likely to be more constrained by business rationale and there's no reason for the Glazers to do anything other than opt for the highest bid.
Is there any factor I'm missing that makes it more complicated than that? Aside from having to convince UEFA there are no significant ties to other Qatari backed clubs, I guess.
we can finally announce things when they are ready to be announced rather than when the NYSE opens
Agreed. Qatari ownership would mean finally (eventually) getting a 90,000 + OT stadium and world class facilities. World class training ground and the finanical means to compete for the most elite players and the other state owned clubs.I just want us to be the dominant force in a way Real are, with 10 European cups at least, only Qatar can make it happen
Seeing as glazers want a one paragraph bid with the amount on it and pretty much nothing else this friday, i think that sums up their position.
Whoever pays the most gets the club.
Exactly what's gonna happen, no worries
As is Musk, this is a guy who pals around with those within the far-right circle (under his false guise of 'freedom of speech'), loves a good dogwhistle at the expense of the lgbt community (under the guise of tackling 'woke' culture) and keeps esteemed company like Rupert Murdoch.
So yes, he's just as scummy. What makes him infinitely worse is he'd have absolutely no idea what he's doing as evident with his Twitter escapades, and the recent outpouring of Tesla scandals. The Qataris would at least be expected to let footballing people making the executive sporting decisions, Musk would likely sack the bulk of the employees and start making decisions himself. We'd be the biggest laughing stock in Football.
You'll be back
What excites me most about Qatar buying us is the drama queens claiming to stop following Utd and football following through with it.
Each year, UEFA sets a deadline for the submission of various documents for clubs who wish to compete in UEFA competitions in the following season. For example, let's say United qualify for next year's Champions League - this summer they would need to submit documentation that presents the club's legal group structure (which includes naming any party with 10% or greater ownership or voting rights), as well as documents detailing their ultimate controlling parties, their ultimate beneficiaries and any parties with significant influence (eg people who can appoint or remove Board members). They also have to disclose the identities of key management personnel, including directors and executives.
As part of the club information, the club must then clearly identify any other football clubs over which any of the parties identified in its legal groups structure, its ultimate controlling party, its ultimate beneficiary and any party with significant influence, or any of their key management personnel, have "control" or "significant influence".
"Control" is defined as: "The power to conduct the activities of an entity and to direct its financial, operating or sporting policies which affect returns, by means of share ownership, voting power, constitutional documents (statutes), agreement, or otherwise."
"Significant influence" is defined as: "The power to participate in the financial, operating or sporting policies of an entity, but not in control or joint control of that entity, by means of share ownership, voting power, constitutional documents (statutes), agreement, or otherwise."
No single person or entity may exert control or significant influence over two clubs in the same UEFA competition.
https://documents.uefa.com/r/UEFA-C...-2022/Article-62-Legal-group-structure-Online
Good post
That’s what we’re hoping for. The Emir of Qatar.
Some people are proper odd.
Qatar and their human rights issues? Go on then.
Manchester United legend David Beckham? Oh god no get him away.
I heard a rumour that once the bid is accepted, and in honour of our new overlord dictators, RedCafe will be heavily censored on the day, and only male posters will be allowed to post.
I wonder how many of them watched the corrupt World Cup
I'd rather the Atari's didn't buy us tbh. The 2600 was a great console and everything but they haven't been relevant in about 30 years.
Nope and yes, second hand refurbished though for work. I also volunteer at a food bank one day a month, donate 5% of my post tax income to a homeless charity, buy renewable energy and offset my carbon emissions if I fly anywhere or drive long distance. I litter pick my street once a week. I'm literally jesus. Does that qualify me to have an opinion now and be a sanctimonious so and so about it? Not really. I'm not telling you what to do with your life, but for me this is not cool to support this green washing. I've been watching United since 1990 when I was 4. Cantona is my hero. He wouldn't be cool with this either.
This is such a daft strawman though that you have to be so absolutist about this kind of thing. You can eat meat and disagree with this. Quit gatekeeping.
I also didn't watch the world cup. I only did this so I can win online arguments on redcafe.
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Weird post, honestly.
The receipts are here for everyone to see. I bet they can't stay away from the CAF for more than 24 hours after the sale goes down.
He's nowhere near the level of scum as the Qataris. Who has Musk had tortured? Who is he oppressing?
He says and does some ridiculous things, is clearly socially awkward and possibly insane.
He's only better when compared to the alternative. The best option is neither but the figures being quoted mean the pool is limited.
What are Norway up to these days? They seem like a less tyrannical oil state. I think we should create a petition for them to buy us.
That will shave off 0.01% of posters immediately.
Good post
Such a Brexit-supporter type of childish mentality to hold
Indeed. I'd just as soon see the club fall into the hands of space invaders, or be struck by asteroids.
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