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Giggsyking said:
He does not have the money to rebuild the stadium nor the training ground. It will be ano

Nor how is he going to finance the rebuild of the stadium or the large infrastructure the club's need.
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A loan taken by the club to renovate the facilities over a period of time is fine. It's not ideal, but it is what it is. More of a normal "this is what should happen with football clubs" sort of thing. We would be investing in ourselves, paying to improve the club. Yes it hamstrings us for a while. But such is life. Being unhappy about that is like bitching about not having a sugar daddy and not wanting to take the proper steps to fix your own situation, not acknowledging that it'll take time.

Our current debt needs dealing with. They would deal with that. The only other thing they would need to do is hire smart people to run the club smartly. Make smart decisions. It's a big ask as many owners are fecking awful at running football clubs and repeatedly make horrible decisions where they gamble their futures.
 
NK86 said:
I know what a regime means. But the Qatar story has been about a private consortium buying us and everyone against it is directly assuming it's the State buying us because reasons.
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It depends who you read. We have had reports in the past 24 hours that the Qatari sovereign wealth fund and even the Emir himself are involved in a prospective bid. Nobody seems to have a clue who these "private" individuals are.
 
NK86 said:
You are calling potentially private citizens of a nation as evil without having the faintest idea on who they are, based on nothing but where they reside. Yeah, that's not ignorant and racist at all.
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They are working for the Qatari government, which is a morally reprehensible government. Using racism claims to cover it up is not fooling anyone. You might as well say criticising the Saudi secret police is racist.
 
Tarrou said:
the post you quoted literally says
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glazed said:
These 'private consortiums' are nothing of the kind. They are spin offs designed to manage the state oil wealth at arm's length. And yes - they are morally repugnant.
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That's literally the first couple of posts of our discussion where he assumes that private consortiums is the State. Hence the ignorance part that anyone rich in Qatar means State.
 
sugar_kane said:
I genuinely don't care if someone is buying us to make money. We're talking a multi-billion pound investment, there has to be something in it for the buyer.

I just want to ensure that whoever they put in charge of running the club is top tier, not Ed fecking Woodward, and they allocate an appropriate level of our income for investment in the club.

The sugar daddy model is grim, and that's before you get into the sportswashing debate.

I'd much rather we were a self-funding entity, and there's no reason we can't be. feck winning the Man City way.
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100% this. We don't need a sugar daddy ignoring all (very real and important) off the field issues. It is far more satisfying to succeed in a normal way that is self earned.

Someone buying us as an asset would basically set us right in the first phase and then sit back and should just let us operate sustainably. All the money should stay within the club. I am ok with the club taking out a loan to fund redevelopment of our facilities and infrastructures, it's a normal thing to do and just a cost that should be accounted for over time.
 
NK86 said:
That's literally the first couple of posts of our discussion where he assumes that private consortiums is the State. Hence the ignorance part that anyone rich in Qatar means State.
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It's not an assumption, it is the state.
 
bosnian_red said:
A loan taken by the club to renovate the facilities over a period of time is fine. It's not ideal, but it is what it is. More of a normal "this is what should happen with football clubs" sort of thing. We would be investing in ourselves, paying to improve the club. Yes it hamstrings us for a while. But such is life. Being unhappy about that is like bitching about not having a sugar daddy and not wanting to take the proper steps to fix your own situation, not acknowledging that it'll take time.

Our current debt needs dealing with. They would deal with that. The only other thing they would need to do is hire smart people to run the club smartly. Make smart decisions. It's a big ask as many owners are fecking awful at running football clubs and repeatedly make horrible decisions where they gamble their futures.
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Looking at Nice, I dont think so.
 
glazed said:
They are working for the Qatari government, which is a morally reprehensible government. Using racism claims to cover it up is not fooling anyone. You might as well say criticising the Saudi secret police is racist.
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Where are you getting all this information? If you know all this, why don't you also enlighten us with their names.
 
NK86 said:
That's literally the first couple of posts of our discussion where he assumes that private consortiums is the State. Hence the ignorance part that anyone rich in Qatar means State.
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It is very much a blinkered, head in the sand POV to think that this multi billionaire from Qatar wouldn't be directly related to the state. Yes, hard to prove. Which is why City, PSG and Newcastle get away with it. Technically, they aren't state owned either. Do you want to be someone who keeps their head in the sand and ignores all logic and common sense? It's the same thing as people wanting #11 back. Technically, he was not found guilty, so therefore that means he is innocent and should play, right??? We all know what the reality is.
 
NK86 said:
Could very well be. That does not mean it's wrong though.
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Indeed, it could of course be correct. But it is also worth considering the fact that Raine's job is to amplify optimism, be positive about prospects and drive the price up as much as possible. Unpicking the truth from the lies/disinformation is impossible - that's why it isn't really worth getting too excited (or depressed) about any of the entities being publicly linked with this process at the moment. Soon enough, we'll know what is happening anyway.
 
bosnian_red said:
A loan taken by the club to renovate the facilities over a period of time is fine. It's not ideal, but it is what it is. More of a normal "this is what should happen with football clubs" sort of thing. We would be investing in ourselves, paying to improve the club. Yes it hamstrings us for a while. But such is life. Being unhappy about that is like bitching about not having a sugar daddy and not wanting to take the proper steps to fix your own situation, not acknowledging that it'll take time.

Our current debt needs dealing with. They would deal with that. The only other thing they would need to do is hire smart people to run the club smartly. Make smart decisions. It's a big ask as many owners are fecking awful at running football clubs and repeatedly make horrible decisions where they gamble their futures.
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Agree.

Essentially all I want is for the debt on the club to be cleared, for the stadium issue to be resolved and for us to be able to stand on our own two feet financially. As it stands (and pending further details) it appears the INEOS bid would allow us to do that, without the baggage of state ownership. That'll absolutely do, because at that point we can be competitive.
 
The QSI(the state) isn’t buying United because they already own PSG. The Qatari interest in us is from private investors, so fair game as far as I’m concerned.
 
Giggsyking said:
Looking at Nice, I dont think so.
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What's wrong with Nice? They've essentially averaged the same league position post takeover as before. Their target upon takeover was to set it up to be able to run self sustainably. Of course that works a different way when you have the revenues of Man United compared to the revenues of Nice.
 
bosnian_red said:
It is very much a blinkered, head in the sand POV to think that this multi billionaire from Qatar wouldn't be directly related to the state. Yes, hard to prove. Which is why City, PSG and Newcastle get away with it. Technically, they aren't state owned either. Do you want to be someone who keeps their head in the sand and ignores all logic and common sense? It's the same thing as people wanting #11 back. Technically, he was not found guilty, so therefore that means he is innocent and should play, right??? We all know what the reality is.
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You can cover your ignorance with insults about people burying their head in the sand. Why don't you try to find out if there are actually rich Qataris who are not associated with the the State. We have a guy from that region saying as much in this thread but you all want to casually assume that every rich private individual is part of the State machinery there.

Also City are owned by CFG in which Mansour is the majority share holder, and he is literally part of the ruling royal family. Has it been said that Qatar's ruling family is acquiring us?
 
NLunited said:
Apart from their human rights records, I‘m reading the Qatari want to fire Ten Hag and install a new coaching staff.
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I don't know why people keep bringing this up but it's a complete nonsense. ETH is very well liked amongst our fanbase and the very last thing someone would do is to make such an unpopular decision right from the beginning, especially knowing that opinions about them would already be very split. Nobody is firing ETH as long as we are doing fine.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
The QSI(the state) isn’t buying United because they already own PSG. The Qatari interest in us is from private investors, so fair game as far as I’m concerned.
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Only separate on a legal technicality of being hard to prove otherwise, when in the real world we all know what the case is.
 
Tarrou said:
there is simply no other way in Qatar

nobody has that kind of wealth who isn't linked to the state
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What are you basing this on? You really think there aren't rich people in Qatar who are not State backed.

There's a guy in this very thread, who is from that region, who says there are super rich there who are opposed to the State but you want to believe otherwise based on nothing?
 
NK86 said:
Why don't you try to find out if there are actually rich Qataris who are not associated with the the State. We have a guy from that region saying as much in this thread but you all want to casually assume that every rich private individual is part of the State machinery there.
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Very happy to assume that. Anyone who says otherwise to the tune of £5 billion is simply not credible
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
The QSI(the state) isn’t buying United because they already own PSG. The Qatari interest in us is from private investors, so fair game as far as I’m concerned.
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Except it has been reported by the likes of The Athletic that the interest from Qatar is linked to the QIA. Just because one report says it's not state-linked (the same claim made in advance about previous state-linked purchases of football clubs) that doesn't make it so.

We'd need to see the actual details of who is involved to determine whether these are actual private investors, "private investors" as a proxy for the state or a different vehicle for the QIA. But the pattern of previous investments in this area suggests that genuinely independent private investment is less likely than state-linked investment, so it pays to be sceptical.
 
NLunited said:
Dutch media.
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so on one hand we have the Qatari want to give ETH a war chest and the other they want to sack him and potentially replace him with Zidane of Ancelotti, yep this is BS they haven’t even secured the ownership of the club yet.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
The QSI(the state) isn’t buying United because they already own PSG. The Qatari interest in us is from private investors, so fair game as far as I’m concerned.
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That's actually still under immense scrutiny though. A bit like when City say their finances are legit. I want to see undisputed proof there is no link between them.

Can you imagine if this went through and it turned out the money was from the same place. They'd throw the book at us.
 
glazed said:
Very happy to assume that. Anyone who says otherwise to the tune of £5 billion is simply not credible
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It's not a single investor, it's a consortium. Since it's not a western consortium, it automatically means they are all belonging to the same category of evil rich people?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If people weren't getting swept up by the idea of some Arabian Prince coming to Old Trafford, farting out billions of pounds and smiling then I think the Ratcliffe/INEOS interest would be viewed very differently.

If that had all come out a year ago when we saw no end to the Glazers, I think people would be willing them to buy the club.

A lot of what I've heard sounds good and people seem to be taking it all wrong because they hear of loans etc. There's good debt and bad debt. And the Nice comparison is valid but United aren't a club in need of a total overhaul to become successful.
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Great post
 
NK86 said:
What are you basing this on? You really think there aren't rich people in Qatar who are not State backed.

There's a guy in this very thread, who is from that region, who says there are super rich there who are opposed to the State but you want to believe otherwise based on nothing?
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not rich enough to spend 6 billion on a sports team no

this is fairly common knowledge about Qatar as a nation, the regime is controlling everyone who has that kind of wealth
 
NLunited said:
Well I think he is right. Qatar is full of Spanish football coaches. They will want to make us City2.0.
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And Spanish football coaches are based on Cruyff Barcelona total football system which is why ETH was Peps assistant at Bayern and is already an exponent of that type of football,
 
Qatar is a small undemocratic country. You cannot be rich there without bowing down to the regime, that is not how it works.
 
NLunited said:
Well I think he is right. Qatar is full of Spanish football coaches. They will want to make us City2.0.
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Think whatever you want to, does not make it true. Also when you say City 2.0, do you mean put all the right infra and people in place or just the bad parts where they will cook our books? Neither of those include having to fire ETH.
 
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