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[DanClancy]

Ratcliffe is

Not even taking the piss with this, but there are never any City fans mulling around near the Etihad outside of the 90 minutes of football every other week. What does the Etihad have that makes it a one stop shop?

I was thinking that, given the amount of land around the ground and even if they go down the route of building a new stadium then there's enough room for hotels, apartments and bars/restaurants. Expect this is where he might get government funding.

 

[r3idy]

Not even taking the piss with this, but there are never any City fans mulling around near the Etihad outside of the 90 minutes of football every other week. What does the Etihad have that makes it a one stop shop?

When they say multi use it probably means for things like Concerts, Expo's, Conferences, Events, Weddings etc.

It's utterly shameful that OT is in such a sad state of affairs that it is not considered for the Euro's. I think the last time there was a big concert on was Bon Jovi about 22 years ago, Anyone remember the last time there was Boxing or other sports on there other than Sports Aid? I don't even think Old Trafford would be considered for any of the Europa Conference Final let alone Champions League.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

When they say multi use it probably means for things like Concerts, Expo's, Conferences, Events, Weddings etc.

It's utterly shameful that OT is in such a sad state of affairs that it is not considered for the Euro's. I think the last time there was a big concert on was Bon Jovi about 22 years ago, Anyone remember the last time there was Boxing or other sports on there other than Sports Aid? I don't even think Old Trafford would be considered for any of the Europa Conference Final let alone Champions League.

Thing is what is earned from other activities will probably pay for the upkeep of the stadium, it not being utilised properly has led to it just being neglected altogether.

 

[macheda14]

When they say multi use it probably means for things like Concerts, Expo's, Conferences, Events, Weddings etc.

It's utterly shameful that OT is in such a sad state of affairs that it is not considered for the Euro's. I think the last time there was a big concert on was Bon Jovi about 22 years ago, Anyone remember the last time there was Boxing or other sports on there other than Sports Aid? I don't even think Old Trafford would be considered for any of the Europa Conference Final let alone Champions League.

It wasn’t considered for the euros because we said that we couldn’t account for its state at the time. Would it be being refurbished or rebuilt

 

[MadDogg]

I got gang atacked because I said there were better RBs in the world than G Neville. So it is better to be prepared

That's not what you said though. You said Neville was mediocre and that he was a Fergie era McTominay. Which is very different than saying there were some rightbacks in the world which were better. Most people would agree with the latter, but that doesn't mean that the former was close to being true.

 

[TheReligion]

When they say multi use it probably means for things like Concerts, Expo's, Conferences, Events, Weddings etc.

It's utterly shameful that OT is in such a sad state of affairs that it is not considered for the Euro's. I think the last time there was a big concert on was Bon Jovi about 22 years ago, Anyone remember the last time there was Boxing or other sports on there other than Sports Aid? I don't even think Old Trafford would be considered for any of the Europa Conference Final let alone Champions League.

It wasn’t considered for the euros because we said that we couldn’t account for its state at the time. Would it be being refurbished or rebuilt

Yep. I wish people would get their facts right before spouting off.

 

[CallyRed]

It wasn’t considered for the euros because we said that we couldn’t account for its state at the time. Would it be being refurbished or rebuilt

Or if it was going to be in an even worse state then it is now, forget leaky roof, they might be no roof by 2028.

 

[neon_badger]

When they say multi use it probably means for things like Concerts, Expo's, Conferences, Events, Weddings etc.

It's utterly shameful that OT is in such a sad state of affairs that it is not considered for the Euro's. I think the last time there was a big concert on was Bon Jovi about 22 years ago, Anyone remember the last time there was Boxing or other sports on there other than Sports Aid? I don't even think Old Trafford would be considered for any of the Europa Conference Final let alone Champions League.

There were two concerts in 2018, the stadium isn't designed for hosting concerts due to the infrastructure, the only large scale accessibility is via the players tunnel whereas places like the Etihad you can drive a hgv straight onto the pitch. The club have never been bothered for concerts as they're not as lucrative as they seem, the two gigs they did attempt were financial disasters and met with criticism, the stadium has been more successful hosting corporate events.

 

[Juice Juiced]

That's not what you said though. You said Neville was mediocre and that he was a Fergie era McTominay. Which is very different than saying there were some rightbacks in the world which were better. Most people would agree with the latter, but that doesn't mean that the former was close to being true.

He was mediocre. Player carried by 7-8 on borderline class world players.

 

[Red in STL]

There were two concerts in 2018, the stadium isn't designed for hosting concerts due to the infrastructure, the only large scale accessibility is via the players tunnel whereas places like the Etihad you can drive a hgv straight onto the pitch. The club have never been bothered for concerts as they're not as lucrative as they seem, the two gigs they did attempt were financial disasters and met with criticism, the stadium has been more successful hosting corporate events.

Going off another thread I would think that hosting Tay-Tay would be very lucrative

 

[Bowlcut11]

He was mediocre. Player carried by 7-8 on borderline class world players.

This just isn't true. He was the best right-back in England for the majority of his career and the best English right-back for all of his career. His crossing was unbelievable, which is why we were such a threat down the right with him and Becks, as either one of them could whip it into the box with great accuracy.

I'm not sure why you're so hell-bent on denouncing a club legend. He wasn't the flashiest name on the team sheet but he would always give you at least a 7/10

 

[neon_badger]

Going off another thread I would think that hosting Tay-Tay would be very lucrative

Certainly more lucrative than Billy Joel but it's a funny industry, I know i recently got fleeced by my daughter for Taylor Swift tickets, where I currently work we had some concerts last year, the most high profile was Harry Styles which didn't make much money as the audience were very young without much disposable income and were only there for Harry, Artic Monkeys was similar, people don't want to queue to pay £7 for a pint of piss in a paper cup. City do well because they get the right acts like Ed Sheran, Coldplay and Take That horrendous as they are they bring in a good spend per head, probably all the prosecco mums and bored husbands.

 

[Stobzilla]

This just isn't true. He was the best right-back in England for the majority of his career and the best English right-back for all of his career. His crossing was unbelievable, which is why we were such a threat down the right with him and Becks, as either one of them could whip it into the box with great accuracy.

I'm not sure why you're so hell-bent on denouncing a club legend. He wasn't the flashiest name on the team sheet but he would always give you at least a 7/10

His crossing was good after Beckham left. It was mostly rank while Beckham was at the club.

In fact, a lot of what people remember positively about Neville came after Beckham left, he was a terrible back post defender and would get caught asleep or ball watching a lot. It wasn't a secret in the late 90's/early 00's that SAF was looking for an upgrade in that position.

Full credit to him for working on his game and earning the captaincy, but his career is not the Denis Irwin picture of consistency that some would have you think.

 

[Red in STL]

Certainly more lucrative than Billy Joel but it's a funny industry, I know i recently got fleeced by my daughter for Taylor Swift tickets, where I currently work we had some concerts last year, the most high profile was Harry Styles which didn't make much money as the audience were very young without much disposable income and were only there for Harry, Artic Monkeys was similar, people don't want to queue to pay £7 for a pint of piss in a paper cup. City do well because they get the right acts like Ed Sheran, Coldplay and Take That horrendous as they are they bring in a good spend per head, probably all the prosecco mums and bored husbands.

City were doing these events decades ago, I saw Fleetwood Mac at Maine Rd in the 80's, I would have gone to see Jean Michel Jarre as well but United were at home that night!

 

[Juice Juiced]

This just isn't true. He was the best right-back in England for the majority of his career and the best English right-back for all of his career. His crossing was unbelievable, which is why we were such a threat down the right with him and Becks, as either one of them could whip it into the box with great accuracy.

I'm not sure why you're so hell-bent on denouncing a club legend. He wasn't the flashiest name on the team sheet but he would always give you at least a 7/10

At that time being best England RB wasnt that much. England were lacking in that department.
And Fergie wanted to upgrade on G Nev every summer but he always operated on small budget when you compare us to Italian or Big two from Spania.

 

[devilish]

I don't understand how anyone can compare Gaz with McT. They played in a different position, under different managers, in a different era and in different circumstances. Let's start from the former. If all the BS said by homegrown players about how much they love the club and how dedicated they are to the cause became flesh then it would look like Gary Neville. Very few players were as dedicated to his career as Gaz did to a point were at one point he stopped talking to all his mates as that might divert his focus on football. If English players showed that level of dedication then England would have as many WC medals as friggin Italy. Talent wise, well, he wasn't great and quite frankly I couldn't see him develop into a Manchester United's level FB. He was too rash in tackles, he couldn't beat the player and he was too small to help the CBs. I remember we played a game and Edmundo turned him into mince meat. Yet back then we had a proper setup + SAF appreciated Gaz almost Banzai pilot like dedication. In the end and after loads of hard work from everyone Gaz was able to become a top RB. Sure he wasn't Zanetti but he did turn out to become the EPL best RB and a key player to have at Ronaldo's back.

McT is different. Some idiot decided that he's a DM something that he is not which, I believe, had hindered his career big time. That is synonymous to the post SAF era were constant chopping and changing coupled by lack of quality/leadership created a toxic environment were few talent are properly developed and those who do end up losing their way (Greenwood, Lingard, Pogba and at a lesser extent Rashy). In the end McT had turned into this Fellaini like midfielder we love to throw in the team so he can head the long ball to the right direction.

 

[devilish]

At that time being best England RB wasnt that much. England were lacking in that department.
And Fergie wanted to upgrade on G Nev every summer but he always operated on small budget when you compare us to Italian or Big two from Spania.

Did he? The only guy he really wanted was Javier Zanetti. Zanetti would have placed every FB we had from the 80s till present time (bar Irwin) on the bench with ease. He's also considered immortal as he kept playing in the same way from the beginning right till the very end of his career and he never really aged.

 

[Remember the geese]

At that time being best England RB wasnt that much.

This is what was said

He was the best right-back in England

Which is true. He was England's best right back and on top of that, the best right back in the country.

 

[Red in STL]

At that time being best England RB wasnt that much. England were lacking in that department.
And Fergie wanted to upgrade on G Nev every summer but he always operated on small budget when you compare us to Italian or Big two from Spania.

So spending a world record fee for a defender in Rio Ferdinand or a British transfer record on Juan Sebastián Verón was done under a small budget - sorry pal you have no idea what you are talking about

 

[RORY65]

So spending a world record fee for a defender in Rio Ferdinand or a British transfer record on Juan Sebastián Verón was done under a small budget - sorry pal you have no idea what you are talking about

In fairness he only did those deals because the right back he desperately wanted to replace a guy he subsequently made captain would have cost even more.

 

[Fts 74]

Why are we discussing Neville in here?

 

[neon_badger]

Why are we discussing Neville in here?

Gary Neville gets where water can't.

 

[neon_badger]

City were doing these events decades ago, I saw Fleetwood Mac at Maine Rd in the 80's, I would have gone to see Jean Michel Jarre as well but United were at home that night!

Can't recall much about Maine road, i know a few people that worked there, I think there's always been an emphasis on corporate/events stuff at Old Trafford whilst steering the general public to the megastore/museum, whereas City can focus on summer concerts as they don't have much on their plate other than matchdays which is also a much smaller (and more efficient)operation, I think United simply have too much going on throughout the entire year to give the third party concert companies the time and space they need.

 

[AltiUn]

I got gang atacked because I said there were better RBs in the world than G Neville. So it is better to be prepared

That's not what you said though. You said Neville was mediocre and that he was a Fergie era McTominay. Which is very different than saying there were some rightbacks in the world which were better. Most people would agree with the latter, but that doesn't mean that the former was close to being true.

Textbook definition of context being key

 

[Red in STL]

In fairness he only did those deals because the right back he desperately wanted to replace a guy he subsequently made captain would have cost even more.

 

[Red in STL]

Can't recall much about Maine road, i know a few people that worked there, I think there's always been an emphasis on corporate/events stuff at Old Trafford whilst steering the general public to the megastore/museum, whereas City can focus on summer concerts as they don't have much on their plate other than matchdays which is also a much smaller (and more efficient)operation, I think United simply have too much going on throughout the entire year to give the third party concert companies the time and space they need.

Hmmm - just looked up those gigs, one was August 25, 1990 and the other September 1, 1993 which were later than I remembered, looked up a list of other concerts there, some big names, Queen, the Stones, Prince to name a few, guess Ubited were busy knocking down stands and rebuilding them in that period

 

[neon_badger]

Hmmm - just looked up those gigs, one was August 25, 1990 and the other September 1, 1993 which were later than I remembered, looked up a list of other concerts there, some big names, Queen, the Stones, Prince to name a few, guess Ubited were busy knocking down stands and rebuilding them in that period

Whereas Maine road already looked like three of it's stands had already been knocked down

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Whereas Maine road already looked like three of it's stands had already been knocked down

They assumed there wouldn't be any seats left. That's the excuse the City fans used for not attending, anyway. That and the motorway traffic...

 

[Red in STL]

Whereas Maine road already looked like three of it's stands had already been knocked down

That's true!

 

[Red in STL]

They assumed there wouldn't be any seats left. That's the excuse the City fans used for not attending, anyway. That and the motorway traffic...

I thought it was fear of getting tetanus from splinters off those benches!

 

[Tom Van Persie]

I got gang atacked because I said there were better RBs in the world than G Neville. So it is better to be prepared

Here's the exact quote.

You all got worked for mediocre player.
Peter
Neville Stam Johnsen Irvin
Beckham Scholes Keane Giggs
Cole Yorke

Two players are not like another ones.
Zanetti was so close to OT, but Morrati had weak spot for Giggs and it get complicated. Fergie wasn't stupid, he always wanted some "international flair" aka Batistuta, Salas, Zamorano, Zanetti, Ronaldhino ect.
I respect G Nev for his professionalisam but he was meh.
Lauren was better RB.

 

[Amsterdam Devil]

Why are we talking Gary Neville? He was a great servant in our most succesfull period of the club. Maybe there were better right backs but he had/has a great United heart and did fine.

 

[Juice Juiced]

So spending a world record fee for a defender in Rio Ferdinand or a British transfer record on Juan Sebastián Verón was done under a small budget - sorry pal you have no idea what you are talking about

It was never about transfer fee, it was more about wages. When UTD wanted Batistuta he was on triple wages than our highest payed player. We lost so many players because of hagling and staling, Ronaldhino and Hazard hurts most.

 

[Juice Juiced]

Did he? The only guy he really wanted was Javier Zanetti. Zanetti would have placed every FB we had from the 80s till present time (bar Irwin) on the bench with ease. He's also considered immortal as he kept playing in the same way from the beginning right till the very end of his career and he never really aged.

Zanetti, Lizarazu (he was good on the right side too) , Cafu, Sagnol.

 

[Bowlcut11]

Why are we discussing Neville in here?

I think someone saying Lauren was a better RB than GNev would off-rail any thread on the internet let alone this forum

 

[Teja]

Can I just say even the thought of a new stadium was implausible just a year or so ago? If this ever happens we should be grateful to Ratcliffe and co.

I'm curious how they'll raise financing. Hopefully the Glazers chip in a bit for potential future revenues instead of being leeches like usual.

 

[Posh Red]

Can I just say even the thought of a new stadium was implausible just a year or so ago? If this ever happens we should be grateful to Ratcliffe and co.

I'm curious how they'll raise financing. Hopefully the Glazers chip in a bit for potential future revenues instead of being leeches like usual.

Ratcliffe will ensure any investment will be equitable. He’s an incredibly astute businessman, and won’t be doing the Glazers any favours.

 

[Red in STL]

It was never about transfer fee, it was more about wages. When UTD wanted Batistuta he was on triple wages than our highest payed player. We lost so many players because of hagling and staling, Ronaldhino and Hazard hurts most.

So basically you are saying we couldn't sign players because we wouldn't pay the big wages, well that's policy that doesn't work when you look at the current team

 

[devilish]

Zanetti, Lizarazu (he was good on the right side too) , Cafu, Sagnol.

If SAF was determined to replace a player then rest assured that he would replace him. Also those sort of names linked with United would hit the media like crazy which they didn't. SAF not only showed a huge dose of patience with Gaz but he even made him captain

 

[devilish]

It was never about transfer fee, it was more about wages. When UTD wanted Batistuta he was on triple wages than our highest payed player. We lost so many players because of hagling and staling, Ronaldhino and Hazard hurts most.

I think that you have to distinguish between the Edwards era and the rest. Edwards was solely focused on winning the EPL (he said so himself) thus his efforts focused solely on being the best in the local pool. Kenyon widened the wage structure especially after Keane's near departure to Juventus because of salary issues. Gill was an exceptional CEO up until the Glazers debt started weighting hard on us. He might say that the Glazers had never said no to signing a player. There again we were replacing the likes of Ronaldo, Giggs and Scholes with the likes of Valencia, Young and Cleverley. Gaz lived throughout all eras (mostly). If SAF wanted to replace him then he would have had all the budget and the opportunity to do it and the media would be all over it. Every man and his dog knew that SAF was never really thrilled with Cole and was aiming for a top quality top scorer instead (Shearer, Batistuta, Salas and RVN)