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Question for the Brits....are most of the football stadiums funded by the owners entirely?

Yeah does seem a new stadium could actually work out cheaper in the long run than renovation

It just seems like it would be a bitch to revamp OT. I'd rather see it renovated, however it doesn't really seem feasible. They could build a modern stadium exactly how the want it with all the bells and whistles.
 
If they wanted to do the right thing by the fans and for football in general they should ground share the stadium of the nearest team with a fairly big stadium, City top of the list from a practical standpoint but that won’t happen. Who is next down the list? Burnley? Ewood park? It would raise them a nice bit of extra money and a more solid link with a nearby club playing at a high level could be good for loans too.
 
If they wanted to do the right thing by the fans and for football in general they should ground share the stadium of the nearest team with a fairly big stadium, City top of the list from a practical standpoint but that won’t happen. Who is next down the list? Burnley? Ewood park? It would raise them a nice bit of extra money and a more solid link with a nearby club playing at a high level could be good for loans too.

Mind you there is more chance of us ground sharing with City than the enemy down the East Lancs road
 
Not sure if this fits in here, but it makes a very interesting read.
What I have read into it is that while the fans have watched United as a team and the infrastructure of the stadium decline, it seems that the staaff have also suffered it also sheds some light on missed transfers, and why one certain player is bomb proof.
On top of that, you read that Tamps Bay have gone from strength to strength andeven have a new staadium to play in.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...gone-wrong-manchester-united-glazer-ownership

Feck me that's infuriating. The bit about Ronaldo and the tiles, Christ that's depressing.
 
Feck me that's infuriating. The bit about Ronaldo and the tiles, Christ that's depressing.

I never knew about the commentators not actually going to away games for MUTV. Personally I think Ratcliffe should replace Gardner because he completely lacks passion
 
I think it is concerning reading this on a Bayern site: " According to a repot by Tz, Matthijs de Ligt faces an uphill battle to regain his starting spot at Bayern Munich. Thomas Tuchel is not a fan of the Dutchman, being critical of his buildup play — too slow, too many sideways passes, and not enough vertical through balls. "

Does not sound like a type of defender that suits us at all and he is not very fast. I would rather take a faster and better passer of the ball.

I think that CB is the position (with CM) that will suffer from a huge staff turnover. Varane and Maguire will probably be sold, Evans can't sustain being involved that long for another season and there's question marks about Martinez's ability to remain fit. That require huge amount of £££ that we might not have. A De Ligt on a loan with right to buy might give us much needed FFP breathing space to invest elsewhere especially since we're aiming at branthwaite whose a great talent but will probably cost us an arm and a leg.
 
Us playing at wembley for a season :lol: fair play, such an easy way to (rightfully) rile people up. Utterly mental.
We have the space around OT to build a new stadium and still be able to play at the present one, a bit like Spurs did.
United have also bought up acres of land out by the airport
 
We have the space around OT to build a new stadium and still be able to play at the present one, a bit like Spurs did.
United have also bought up acres of land out by the airport
Yeah, surely they either demolish a stand one at a time and rebuild it that way with better facilities and leg room, or demolish one stand and build outwards from that stand if possible.
 
Feck me that's infuriating. The bit about Ronaldo and the tiles, Christ that's depressing.

It's not exactly true though. He complained about broken tiles but ESPN have embellished that. There was no mention in the original story that the tiles were still broken since 2009. He complained that the pool hadn't changed since he left and that some of the tiles were now broken and chipped.
 
It's not exactly true though. He complained about broken tiles but ESPN have embellished that. There was no mention in the original story that the tiles were still broken since 2009. He complained that the pool hadn't changed since he left and that some of the tiles were now broken and chipped.
It's like any story it can be interpreted however it suits somebody. There again the facilities should have been updated since 2009 and any tiles that get broken or chipped should be replace immediately. If they were broken the week before they should be repaired. That does say a lot about the owners priorities.
 
It's not exactly true though. He complained about broken tiles but ESPN have embellished that. There was no mention in the original story that the tiles were still broken since 2009. He complained that the pool hadn't changed since he left and that some of the tiles were now broken and chipped.
What can you realistically change about a pool though? It's just a receptacle for holding water. If you're swimming in it, you shouldn't even need to touch it tbh as you're floating.
 
It's like any story it can be interpreted however it suits somebody. There again the facilities should have been updated since 2009 and any tiles that get broken or chipped should be replace immediately. If they were broken the week before they should be repaired. That does say a lot about the owners priorities.

Well it can be interpreted as per what was reported initially or it can be misreported so as to seem a depressing case of outrageous neglect where broken tiles weren't fixed for 14 years. Of course things should be sorted right away, but the two are not the same in terms of severity.

What can you realistically change about a pool though? It's just a receptacle for holding water. If you're swimming in it, you shouldn't even need to touch it tbh as you're floating.

Well presumably what's state of the art in 2009 is no longer the case in 2023 and training facilities are upgraded much more often at other clubs.
 
Well it can be interpreted as per what was reported initially or it can be misreported so as to seem a depressing case of outrageous neglect where broken tiles weren't fixed for 14 years. Of course things should be sorted right away, but the two are not the same in terms of severity.



Well presumably what's state of the art in 2009 is no longer the case in 2023 and training facilities are upgraded much more often at other clubs.
Of course it isn't the same thing. It is like the uproar about apparently we want loads of money off the taxpayer to build a new stadium.
 
If they wanted to do the right thing by the fans and for football in general they should ground share the stadium of the nearest team with a fairly big stadium, City top of the list from a practical standpoint but that won’t happen. Who is next down the list? Burnley? Ewood park? It would raise them a nice bit of extra money and a more solid link with a nearby club playing at a high level could be good for loans too.

Could rent Goodison park off Everton for a few years?
 


Not even taking the piss with this, but there are never any City fans mulling around near the Etihad outside of the 90 minutes of football every other week. What does the Etihad have that makes it a one stop shop?
 


Jim Ratcliffe to follow Man City’s lead in Old Trafford revamp plan

New plan to transform Old Trafford area into multi-use zone can take the stadium from ‘service station’ to one-stop shop – just like the Etihad


If you spend enough time in the company of Manchester United staff, supporters and visiting directors, they will eventually tell you their Old Trafford horror stories.
One former employee recalled the time when he first saw a rat scurry across the floor of the department he worked in. Last September, during United’s match against Crystal Palace, a row of fans halfway up the Stretford End were drenched thanks to a hole in the roof.
One of the more illuminating recent stories came from a regular visitor to the directors’ boxes of Premier League clubs. They were describing with vim the experience of eating the fanciest food and sipping the most delectable wines in the directors’ lounge at Tottenham Hotspur’s new stadium.
“It was like going to a film premiere.” How did Old Trafford’s directors’ lounge feel in comparison? “Like a service station.”

The years of under-investment from the Glazers have left United fans with a decaying, second-rate stadium.
However, there is still much to admire about Old Trafford, which has been United’s home for 114 years. You still can sense the history of the club, from the tributes to the victims of the Munich Air Disaster, to the statues of six figures who have shaped the club’s destiny — Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir Matt Busby, Jimmy Murphy, Sir Bobby Charlton, Denis Law and George Best. When the 74,310 supporters that the stadium houses are all in good voice, they create a remarkable atmosphere too.
But when you listen to the aforementioned stories, you can see why there is such excitement and intrigue at the news that Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the new co-owner, is looking at the possibility of United building a 90,000-seater stadium, dubbed a “Wembley of the North”.


Ratcliffe will take charge of football operations once his £1.03 billion bid to buy 25 per cent of United is ratified by the Premier League later this month, and possibly as soon as next week.
Building such a stadium, at a cost of £1.5 billion to £2 billion, next to Old Trafford is one of two options that Ratcliffe is considering. The other involves refurbishing or redeveloping the “Theatre of Dreams”, which would cost approximately £800 million.

The proposals have been put to United by Legends International and architects Populous, the companies tasked with overseeing the project.
The new stadium would be located behind the Stretford End as United own a big stretch of land around the stadium which is used for either car parking or offices. The idea is not simply to build a new stadium but to create a new, lively area full of businesses, offices, bars, restaurants and a cinema.
Manchester City’s stadium, in the east of the city, is surrounded by a mini fan park with a stage for live bands. Over the road, a new 24,000-seater arena has been built for concerts.


That part of east Manchester has been regenerated since Sheikh Mansour bought City in 2008. The plan would be for a similar scenario outside United’s new ground.
Ratcliffe will put some money towards the stadium — he has already committed £245 million to upgrading the club’s infrastructure as part of his minority investment deal — but Ineos, his company, is looking for outside investors, too, and possible government funds under the “Levelling Up” initiative.
Building a new stadium and the surrounding entertainment village would create many jobs and boost the local economy. But Tracey Crouch, the former sports minister, argued that no public funds should be used to build a prospective stadium.


“Old Trafford may need upgrading to meet today’s standards but funding should not come out of the taxpayer’s pocket to benefit the billionaires who own the club — especially as other clubs like Bury have faced ruin, devastating the town around them, with no bailout from the public purse,” she told City AM.
As United have stated for some time, they have not ruled out the idea of raising money through selling the naming rights to any new stadium. They will, however, insist on Old Trafford remaining the core part of the stadium’s name, so for example, it could be called “Old Trafford in association with company X”.
United would have to service the debt on a new or redeveloped stadium, but sources said a project that contributed to the future growth of the club should be viewed through a different lens to the Glazers’ leveraged buyout of the club in 2005.


United will benefit from Ratcliffe’s expertise in big infrastructure projects. Ineos is building a £5 billion chemical plant in Antwerp, Belgium, dubbed “Project One” and knows how to raise capital through large financing deals.
The second option, for United to redevelop Old Trafford, would be much cheaper but is not without its difficulties. United would have to build over the railway track behind the Sir Bobby Charlton Stand if it were moved backwards to create room for more seats.
Knocking the stand down and rebuilding it would lead to a temporary reduction in match day revenue, whereas if United built a new stadium instead, they could carry on playing at Old Trafford while the work is carried out.
A complete redevelopment of Old Trafford could, sources said, take ten years to complete.
Ratcliffe, 71, wants to move quickly on this project as soon as his investment is ratified. There is an acknowledgement from Ineos and the Glazers, who are still the majority shareholders, that the club must seek the opinions of fans, local residents, regulatory bodies, Trafford Council and private investors before coming to a final decision.
That process will begin as soon as the Premier League signs off Ratcliffe’s offer to take 25 per cent of the club.
 
Not even taking the piss with this, but there are never any City fans mulling around near the Etihad outside of the 90 minutes of football every other week. What does the Etihad have that makes it a one stop shop?

No question here that Old Trafford holds considerable advantages over the Etihad in this regard. Not only do we have a much bigger fan base and many more tourists who want to visit the stadium, but the area of Salford Quays is infinitely more attractive and already has shopping areas, museums, BBC/Media City etc.
Makes much more sense for people to spend a day out in the Quays area, especially when the area around Old Trafford is significantly improved also.
 
Not sure if this fits in here, but it makes a very interesting read.
What I have read into it is that while the fans have watched United as a team and the infrastructure of the stadium decline, it seems that the staaff have also suffered it also sheds some light on missed transfers, and why one certain player is bomb proof.
On top of that, you read that Tamps Bay have gone from strength to strength andeven have a new staadium to play in.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...gone-wrong-manchester-united-glazer-ownership
i dont understand how they penny pinch the life out of parts of the club. to then absolute financial suicide forever giving out stupid fees, contracts, wages. Saving 40k a year on MUTV, Woodward would waste that before breakfast. Giving Zlatan 400k a week then charge him for orange juice
 
Not sure if this fits in here, but it makes a very interesting read.
What I have read into it is that while the fans have watched United as a team and the infrastructure of the stadium decline, it seems that the staaff have also suffered it also sheds some light on missed transfers, and why one certain player is bomb proof.
On top of that, you read that Tamps Bay have gone from strength to strength andeven have a new staadium to play in.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...gone-wrong-manchester-united-glazer-ownership
Thanks for posting this, it's a great article, it definitely resonates with my personal experience at the club, particularly staff moral and cost cutting, which has now come back to bite them on the arse in my old department. Spending money on upgrading the directors lounge (again) whilst cutting costs on essential catering infrastructure and labour is infuriating and lacks business sense. I would disagree with one point, the view that working at City is preferable isn't a commonly shared view, it's horrendous there too, I found it to be the worst working environment of all the stadiums I've grafted in.
 
It was a bit infuriating listening to the radio on the stadium plans and surrounding area yesterday. It was so disingenuous implying that we were going to use government money to build the stadium when clearly that’s not the case and we are looking to collaborate with the government and council to redevelop the surrounding area and make it an area that is hugely beneficial to Manchester and the wider area’s economy.

The most infuriating bit was that they kept using Man City as a point of reference and how they have ploughed money into the stadium and local area which is a bit odd considering there was an article just recently which exposed how little they had put into the stadium and local area from their own pocket and the outrageous about of government and council handouts they have taken.
 
the club should never decide the style of play...that is squarely on the coach staff. To me, that's when it is up to the scouting team and DoF to identify key players that fit the managers style of play but more so fit in the culture and profile of the club...young, exciting talent...english or not ....and within a reasonable price
The club should absolutely decide the general style of play that they want, and then hire the manager and coaching staff suited to bringing that style to life. Then each following manager also plays a similar style of football, making it an easy transition between each manager where the players are suited and already coached in a way that they can quickly pick up what the new manager wants. The scouting history of the previous few years is still valuable because the same types of players are still needed, and so on. Otherwise you get the utter mess that we've seen over the last decade where each manager plays a completely different style of football. Or, as we've especially seen with Rangnick and ETH, their playstyles at previous clubs were completely different but our players aren't suited to that so they've ended up playing a style more similar to our previous managers instead.

Obviously the details and specifics change from manager to manager. There will always be a lot of differences between managers even if they have the same overriding style, but the general idea should be the same. No going from Mourinho to De Zerbi to Conte to Postecoglou to Simeone, etc, with massive changes needed each time.
 
The club should absolutely decide the general style of play that they want, and then hire the manager and coaching staff suited to bringing that style to life. Then each following manager also plays a similar style of football, making it an easy transition between each manager where the players are suited and already coached in a way that they can quickly pick up what the new manager wants. The scouting history of the previous few years is still valuable because the same types of players are still needed, and so on. Otherwise you get the utter mess that we've seen over the last decade where each manager plays a completely different style of football. Or, as we've especially seen with Rangnick and ETH, their playstyles at previous clubs were completely different but our players aren't suited to that so they've ended up playing a style more similar to our previous managers instead.

Obviously the details and specifics change from manager to manager. There will always be a lot of differences between managers even if they have the same overriding style, but the general idea should be the same. No going from Mourinho to De Zerbi to Conte to Postecoglou to Simeone, etc, with massive changes needed each time.
This is all just theory. In reality no club works like this. Look at Barca when the fumes of Messi left the club. They’ve been trying to recreate that golden era for years now and it’s destroyed that club
 
This is all just theory. In reality no club works like this. Look at Barca when the fumes of Messi left the club. They’ve been trying to recreate that golden era for years now and it’s destroyed that club
So which clubs oscillate wildly between managers with vastly different playing styles?

Conte to Ange at Spurs is certainly an example, but the squad they’ve been assembling over recent seasons has bizarrely been one that suits the Ange style a lot better than that of Conte and his two predecessors.
 
So which clubs oscillate wildly between managers with vastly different playing styles?

Conte to Ange at Spurs is certainly an example, but the squad they’ve been assembling over recent seasons has bizarrely been one that suits the Ange style a lot better than that of Conte and his two predecessors.
Mancini / Pellegrini / Pep play nothing alike and that’s at the supposed best run club in the world.
Liverpool seem to want to go from Klopp to Alonso who, again, play nothing alike.
Arsenal have a great team now by employing a more pragmatic manager who went agains the grain of who they hired previously.
Madrid keep going down the Zidane / Carlo route because they get it so wrong in between. Even then the same club went Rafa / Jose / Carlo and Zidane all of which have a vastly different style form each other.
The theory is sound but it falls down when football directors move around and they move around quite a lot. The club isn’t a sentient being, how one sporting director sees us playing is probably a lot different than how the next one would.
 
Why would you be banned because you liked Real’s stadium? :lol:

also, easy on the hyperbole. Spurs stadium is very nice - even if the Bernabeu moved you.
I got gang atacked because I said there were better RBs in the world than G Neville. So it is better to be prepared :lol:
 
Not even taking the piss with this, but there are never any City fans mulling around near the Etihad outside of the 90 minutes of football every other week. What does the Etihad have that makes it a one stop shop?

Well they do have an Asda.
 
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