Club Sale | It’s done!

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That's what I was referring to.

But yes come June... its will be Bannon's wildest wet dream come true. The deconstruction of the administrative state and beyond.
I can't believe they are so stupid, if they go down this route they will be unelectable for years, if Americans love anything more than guns it's money, and if this comes to pass they won't have any!
 
I can't believe they are so stupid, if they go down this route they will be unelectable for years, if Americans love anything more than guns it's money, and if this comes to pass they won't have any!

There will be global ramifications too. But the cnuts in Congress don't care.
 
There will be global ramifications too. But the cnuts in Congress don't care.
That's true but it's only certain cnuts, not all of them, what I don't get is cnut numer 1 supports them and his beloved status as a billionaire would disappear
 
That's true but it's only certain cnuts, not all of them, what I don't get is cnut number 1 supports them and his beloved status as a billionaire would disappear

He's a gambler by nature. All or nothing mindset. So if he gets his way, he will have what he perceives to be 'absolute control' and a real opportunity to be actually rich. His 2nd time around will be infinitely more dangerous than the first. But I suspect he wont make it through the Primaries. Chinese voting machines this time.
 
He's a gambler by nature. All or nothing mindset. So if he gets his way, he will have what he perceives to be 'absolute control' and a real opportunity to be actually rich. His 2nd time around will be infinitely more dangerous than the first. But I suspect he wont make it through the Primaries. Chinese voting machines this time.
Ha ha that's so true
 
Of course it could be worse. It could be 10 times worse and not be that farfetched. The Glazers not using their money to buy the club meant the most modest dividends was still 10millionx return on their "investment". This won't be the case if it's an owner wanting to recoup 5 billion of their actual money. Saying any sale to anyone as being better than nothing is wrong. We could have shite management and even less money if we sell to the wrong person.

One of the biggest drawbacks is the Glazer's asking price. Even the richest of persons would strain to buy the club and not put some serious spending limits in one form or another. Even with the most generous accounting breaking even on 4-5bn means they would have to take out massive dividends for decades to come.
“It could be 10 times worse and not be that farfetched” Really. Do you think there’s a chance you’re being a little bit dramatic here?
The new owner will not be buying the club for a quick return on investment. The club is being sold for £5+ billion and is currently losing money. Not only that, but the club is in decline on and off the pitch

The Glazers “bought” the club for £790 million back in 2005 and since then football in general has grown to unprecedented levels. Football has hit its peak in its current format. It’s the only reason the Glazers are selling. There’s no blood left to suck.
 
“It could be 10 times worse and not be that farfetched” Really. Do you think there’s a chance you’re being a little bit dramatic here?
The new owner will not be buying the club for a quick return on investment. The club is being sold for £5+ billion and is currently losing money. Not only that, but the club is in decline on and off the pitch

The Glazers “bought” the club for £790 million back in 2005 and since then football in general has grown to unprecedented levels. Football has hit its peak in its current format. It’s the only reason the Glazers are selling. There’s no blood left to suck.
There’s no blood left to suck.... A tad overdramatic?
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There’s no blood left to suck.... A tad overdramatic?
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It's not. There's no money left in this club in the short term. To start taking out dividends again you'd first have to invest at least 1.5 billion, on stadium, facilities, players, paying off debts.
 
The fact the Glazers could walk away with 5-8 billion having put nothing into the club makes me sick. You just hope they sell before the summer so we can get players in but knowing them they will be trying to squeeze a few more million from the buyers, dragging out the process.
 
“It could be 10 times worse and not be that farfetched” Really. Do you think there’s a chance you’re being a little bit dramatic here?
The new owner will not be buying the club for a quick return on investment. The club is being sold for £5+ billion and is currently losing money. Not only that, but the club is in decline on and off the pitch

The Glazers “bought” the club for £790 million back in 2005 and since then football in general has grown to unprecedented levels. Football has hit its peak in its current format. It’s the only reason the Glazers are selling. There’s no blood left to suck.
It's not. There's no money left in this club in the short term. To start taking out dividends again you'd first have to invest at least 1.5 billion, on stadium, facilities, players, paying off debts.
Guy. That's the exact same problem, only worse! Think about it.
 
I'm not going to pretend I know how these things work, but is it not a little concerning that we haven't heard anything from anyone other than Ratcliffe about their interest, yet the Telegraph have said we do have other interest.

Surely if any of these were likely to be appealing to fans, then they'd be put their name out there to get support for their bid. Or is it too early to be thinking this, and if so why has Ratcliffe gone so early.?
 
I'm not going to pretend I know how these things work, but is it not a little concerning that we haven't heard anything from anyone other than Ratcliffe about their interest, yet the Telegraph have said we do have other interest.

Surely if any of these were likely to be appealing to fans, then they'd be put their name out there to get support for their bid. Or is it too early to be thinking this, and if so why has Ratcliffe gone so early.?

Yeah has gone worryingly quiet since then,well apart from that Sixth Street stuff (ugh nightmare scenario to say the least)
 
I'm not going to pretend I know how these things work, but is it not a little concerning that we haven't heard anything from anyone other than Ratcliffe about their interest, yet the Telegraph have said we do have other interest.

Surely if any of these were likely to be appealing to fans, then they'd be put their name out there to get support for their bid. Or is it too early to be thinking this, and if so why has Ratcliffe gone so early.?

I find it odd that ratcliffe says he’s interested. If you truly are why make it public and weaken your position for negotiations

I think actual interested parties are tight lipped about this
 
I find it odd that ratcliffe says he’s interested. If you truly are why make it public and weaken your position for negotiations

I think actual interested parties are tight lipped about this

I don't know, you can do mental gymnastics as to why and why not over this.

Does Ratcliffe know he needs alot of fan support to stand any chance? has he put the interest out there to alert other investors to team up with him? Is he not really serious at the asking price, but wants to put the Glazers in a position where they'll be such a backlash if they backtrack that they might then sell for a lower price that Ratcliffe might be interested in? Or is he just doing it for publicity?

Then the ones that aren't saying anything yet, do they know they'll get hell from the fans if they say anything at this point, just becasue they are American, or without detail it looks unappealing? And if there is ME interest then are they playing a game of poker with each other not wanting to let each other know what they are planning to do.

I just expected to have heard more by now, good and bad.
 
I don't know, you can do mental gymnastics as to why and why not over this.

Does Ratcliffe know he needs alot of fan support to stand any chance? has he put the interest out there to alert other investors to team up with him? Is he not really serious at the asking price, but wants to put the Glazers in a position where they'll be such a backlash if they backtrack that they might then sell for a lower price that Ratcliffe might be interested in? Or is he just doing it for publicity?

Then the ones that aren't saying anything yet, do they know they'll get hell from the fans if they say anything at this point, just becasue they are American, or without detail it looks unappealing? And if there is ME interest then are they playing a game of poker with each other not wanting to let each other know what they are planning to do.

I just expected to have heard more by now, good and bad.

No one spends £5billion quid hoping for fans support. It will be a second consideration at best. It's not like that are hoping for millions of 'likes' on social media.
 
I'm not going to pretend I know how these things work, but is it not a little concerning that we haven't heard anything from anyone other than Ratcliffe about their interest, yet the Telegraph have said we do have other interest.

Surely if any of these were likely to be appealing to fans, then they'd be put their name out there to get support for their bid. Or is it too early to be thinking this, and if so why has Ratcliffe gone so early.?

Parties will do what benefits them the most. Ratcliffe made his interest public, but nothing else. If someone has a plan to invest more in the club than Ratcliffe -- I would assume they would want to make that public. If a third bidder wants to involve the fans the most, I am sure they would announce that.

Its hard to speculate on if and when other bidders will make their interest public. The deadline is still a few weeks away. But nobody will do anything without a clear purpose behind it.

No one spends £5billion quid hoping for fans support. It will be a second consideration at best. It's not like that are hoping for millions of 'likes' on social media.

At the same time, anyone looking to make any money of a 5-7bn investment must trust on the fans to ant up. But we all know that if someone comes in and makes us successful again, they will at least not be called out like the Glazers.
 


As for interested parties it feels like a slow-burner. The list of those who have acquiesced to the confidentiality agreement that unlocks access to the club’s finances so far is chiefly American-based private equity groups. Indeed, thus far the contest, if that is what it becomes, might be summarised thus: Sir Jim Ratcliffe and the petrochemical giant Ineos v various US consortiums. At a valuation of £5 billion, twice that of Chelsea, it is currently hard to see beyond an alliance of investors. Even Ratcliffe and Ineos might need partners in this enterprise.

The bid awaits its big player: a Middle East sovereign wealth fund that can remove itself from whatever clubs it may or may not already own and convince Uefa that there is no dual-ownership issue to answer. Raine believes that one will come to the table. Without them the picture will be very different.

 


Achille de Rauglaudre have both the FSG and Glazer looking for majority sale, with Tottenham as the most likely target for the QSI. Not sure that I 100% buy the argument, made, QSI could still be a minority investor in a consortium taking over Man Utd.
 
What does the last sentence mean exactly
Means what we've always known to mean - people that are going to make this sort of 'investment' have feck you money. That means basically oil states or some global corporation like Apple and we know the latter is highly unlikely.
 
Means what we've always known to mean - people that are going to make this sort of 'investment' have feck you money. That means basically oil states or some global corporation like Apple and we know the latter is highly unlikely.

Sorry I meant the bit about "without them the picture would be very different"
 
So right now it’s either Jim Ratcliffe or a bunch of Yank vultures? A Middle Eastern state is easily the best option, just really need one to get involved now.
 
When thinking about the Manchester United vs Liverpool peacock dance to attract Middle Eastern investors, it's worth remembering just how popular Liverpool are throughout the region due to Mo Salah.
 
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