That is what will be interesting to find out.
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That is what will be interesting to find out.
I have a question,As Sir Jim wants to buy the whole club in the near future,any investment at this stage will make United more valuable and they will want more money at future stage.so he rationaly should not improve United at the moment,how will he manage the situation
Well, I hope this revamp of the sporting department happens, with serious pedigree in scouting and recruitment positions brought in. Also, a big investment in playing staff needs to happen. 5 or 6 top level players in and that number out. We need to start acting like were desperate to win things.
Hopefully the Glazers feck off as soon as possible then after Jim gets his foot in the door.
Where to start with this
investment and profit trumps loyalty Monday to Friday and twice on the weekend. We seen it all before. Qatar is desperate to own an EPL club looking at UAE and the Saudis
Can someone explain (with nuance) why this is so bad? Ratcliffe seem to be doing fine with Nice right now and haver learned from past mistakes, I think he will hire a DoF and make some better sporting changes than Glazer has. So why is this bad?
There's no nuance for most - Utd just won't be fulfilling their Football Manager spending spree wet dream
I’m also trying to figure this out.I would have loved a full sale honestly and maybe it’s bad because the glazers stay may be elongated but I think we will definitely be better run going forward. Good enough to catch City and co? Time will tell.
I think it’s hinged on whether we believe there’s truly a clear path to this becoming a full sale down the line.
Because the Glazer’s still own the club
Blanc is an absolute gem, Ineos are very lucky to secure his services. Change starts from the top and it's obvious Arnold is well meaning but has no idea what he's doing.
And will probably have higher finance costs
So this is essentially the Glazers accepting that they are terrible owners and haven't a clue about football - but they still want to line their pockets with annual dividends.
Anyone agree that the best feeling since Fergie left was probably those initial Mike Keegan reports that there was a Qatari group wanting to buy 100% of the club, remove all debt and invest in a new stadium?
Oh how it could’ve been…
Oh how it could’ve been…
Some people want Disneyland in Trafford.
But most match going fans just want a decent football team with an identity, and a stadium that doesn't leak.
Let City rinse their fans with overpriced nonsense, lightshows, tunnel club, pyro-technics...
I find all that stuff cringey as feck.
Fred the red? Do me a favour.
There is a remote possibility that of the 1.3bn to come in, 33 a share will go to the shareholders (mostly Glazers) and the remaining 12 a share Jim is paying (so about 300m), will go into the club to either pay down debt or invest in infrastructure. If the Glazers do that, it’ll be because they can benefit down the road with getting a more profitable business to pull dividends from and/or get a better valuation as they sell their remaining shares.
They aren’t ever dipping into their own pockets for infrastructure, so getting an minority investor to stump up extra, so they are essentially paying for it, was always a possible part of their plan.
I still think it’s more likely they’ll pocket it all, but I’ll wait until I see the deal points before I say anymore on it. As some point Jim will be attaching conditions to his premium investment, beyond just sporting control. There needs to be some investment to ensure asset value growth over time. 300m wouldn’t do much for a new stadium, but it would considerably improve the existing one (doubtful it’d expand it, but could refit substantial portions of it, like the roof and probably corporate facilities….ugh).
Edit: two posts above confirms this theory.
Someone correct me if I am wrong. But the financials of the squad building are not going to change from what we are seeing now. This deal is essentially allowing Ratcliffe take a position in the club by paying the glazers to sell shares. From that, as part of providing that money, Ratcliffe is asking for the ability to control the footballing side. So that is essentially just the back room make up of staff and how the "footballing" side is run.
There is no new money for players or anything like that. We will still be having these "sell to buy" discussions at the next transfer window. All Ratcliffe is actually doing is using money to buy decision-making capabilitites.
I really hope no one actually is holding on to some hope thinking that this 25% deal is giving MUFC money to buy players? This is all about decision-making. There is no injection of cash into the actual team. All the money has gone straight to the glazers.
Bit early to say Nice are doing well. They’ve won 4/8 this season, even United have done that and it’s one of our worst ever starts. This follows 4 years of mid table finishes.
I do not like this idea of ‘rebuilding’ Old Trafford, as it could mean either you have a true rebuild like with the Bernabau or put a lick of paint, extend a stand, and plug any leaks.
I’ve never understood this particular line. It was said early on that the glazers didn’t like the stuff that Jim and Jassim were briefing to the press because it implied that they were not doing a good job.
Do the glazers genuinely think they have been doing a good job as our owners?
As usual he is spot on. The best and most respected journalist in the country by far. Honest unlike most of the bought and paid cnuts.
Seems like this was leaked by Jassim, aren't the Glazers the sort who don't care what anyone thinks about them?
Doubt they even cared about the implied criticism, they simply don't really care about getting United back to the top and are more concerned with their pockets
No but they have feelings too.
Getting the footballing side of things right is more important right now than infrastructure in my opinion.
Even if some of the facilities may not be the best in the world, I hardly doubt that they’re hindering the football side of things that much. Ultimately everything else is secondary to the football stuff.
Call me crazy but I'm still not fully convinced that Qatar are fully done.
No they don’t
No. The best feeling was when Rashford put the ball in against PSG. That was fecking buzzing.
Really? Not one of our actual trophy wins?
Yes. More than likely they will pocket the majority but a revamp in the recruitment side of things at least can’t be a bad thing, you’d hope anyway.
Just trying to be positive. Let’s hope there are some positives to take once more details emerge.
I would not do it to yourself. They will purchase West Ham.
Out of nowhere, RKO!
I think I just expected more from them. I was lead to believe these guys despise losing and would do whatever it takes etc.
It's started already.
Talk of 'upgrading' Old Trafford. It doesn't need updating or expanding, it needs pulling down and rebuilt, like the top clubs have done. It's an outdated shitehole.
This just proves exactly what my biggest fears were with this takeover, that it was never going to pan out how it should have done with a clean slate, debt wiped, new owners and United brought up to date heading into a new future.
This is it for me. A fekin sad day when United should have been making a new chapter in its history for the next generation. Instead we're going to be in the exact same position we have been for the past decade, absolutely NOTHING will change.
I'm done. My grandad supported United all his life from 1922. His son, my dad, supported United from 1942 and I've supported them since 1969, but today that ends. When my son was born he immediately got the kit and scarves but for a few years he's had a lot of stick at school for being a United supporter. Well this weekend he actually told me he wants to support Arsenal. In the past I'd have said no chance son, but I just said sure and ordered him the Arsenal kit.
This saga has done me. I'm not wasting my time on these parasites anymore and Ratcliffe isn't the future of United.
United are done as a top club. Fact.
Talk of 'upgrading' Old Trafford. It doesn't need updating or expanding, it needs pulling down and rebuilt, like the top clubs have done. It's an outdated shitehole.
This just proves exactly what my biggest fears were with this takeover, that it was never going to pan out how it should have done with a clean slate, debt wiped, new owners and United brought up to date heading into a new future.
This is it for me. A fekin sad day when United should have been making a new chapter in its history for the next generation. Instead we're going to be in the exact same position we have been for the past decade, absolutely NOTHING will change.
I'm done. My grandad supported United all his life from 1922. His son, my dad, supported United from 1942 and I've supported them since 1969, but today that ends. When my son was born he immediately got the kit and scarves but for a few years he's had a lot of stick at school for being a United supporter. Well this weekend he actually told me he wants to support Arsenal. In the past I'd have said no chance son, but I just said sure and ordered him the Arsenal kit.
This saga has done me. I'm not wasting my time on these parasites anymore and Ratcliffe isn't the future of United.
United are done as a top club. Fact.
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Which of our post fergie trophy wins left you buzzing more than that game?
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