Glazer kids having some sense is a giant leap of faith.
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Also class A shares aren’t selling to Jim for a worse price that Qatar are presently offering. Why would anybody sell shares if the story of a path to a full takeover is true? Who is stupid enough to do that before 2026 and then he’ll be in the exact same position as he is now? How can you even plan a path to a full takeover that has any legal standing for the 1.5b he’d spend now since class A shares have killed his bid so badly that he’s falling back to this?
Whats saying he's not and this is Jims last ditch attempt? There was rumours and reports that SJ would be willing to increase his bid, maybe it's been done in private and this is Jim saying he's done?
I really don't know
This is what I am thinking a bit too. The argument the Glazers will put nothing back in defeats the point they were looking for investment in the first place. I expect they might be attempting to force such a premium over their own 'realistic' valuation that they can invest the premium and keep the rest for themselves. This preserves / helps to preserve the value of their remaining shares to keep them up to this holy grail valuation in the future. It's not great if so, but there is a logic and Jim is helping them to do it potentially
I've read a few of your posts and you seem clued up on this stuff. What's his aim here? Surely it makes more financial sense to put up the money now and control the club from day one?
Excuse my ignorance on the subject
So you think after 10 years of absolutely no investment out of their own pocket, they're now going to get £1.5b and plough it all into the club? I really don't think thats going to happen. They'd pocket the money and just rely and hope that ETH can turn the fortunes round on the pitch
They will probably say they haven't invested in the club because they keep having to pay off managers.
No, thats not what I said. They might realistically want 1.2, but force the price to 1.5 so they can invest the 0.3 difference. I'm not saying it's good, but they must realise investment is needed, they'd have to be blind not to, and there is a reason they started this process.
Yeah that's probably true haha. Nothing to do with them being leeches and incompetent on epic levels. Thats the thing with the Glazers, they really don't seem to have any moral values, they just leech until they can't take anymore then start making excuses and search for more money so they can continue leeching
Didn't this whole process start after Ronaldo left and basically exposed them to Piers Morgan? I could be wrong but it seems like this whole thing kicked off after that interview.
But no, the Glazers think of the Glazers, they don't care about Manchester United, they never have. We're a status symbol to them, nothing more, nothing less. If they ask for £1.5b, they'll take £1.5b and pocket it for themselves. The club won't see anything at all, that much is pretty much certain in my opinion
If the Qatari bid was good enough INEOS wouldn’t even be trying, there’s no way they are bidding to just be a shareholder. Any bid will be to assume control at some point as that’s what they’ve always wanted.
The biggest problem still is and always has been satisfying the Glazers, the other issues are insignificant in comparison.
So Jim is now happy being a minority stakeholder? And let Glazers continue?
It's silence from the Qatari side, how do we know they've not upped their bid? They're under no obligation to make it public that they've done so. This could be Jims reaction to a bigger bid going in knowing that he can't match it so this is his last roll of the dice to try and get the Glazers on side?
But if the rise in value happens and it only covers what they spent then why not sell to Qatar now without any of the hassle and risk? What if the price doesn’t rise? Why not go with minority investment that would allow them to keep their sale money and have those investors actually invest for that very same reason?
If Sir Jim doesn’t invest or somehow tells the Glazers what to do with their money when they sell their shares then it’s simply dead in the water
1. Why would INEOS invest billions into a serially mismanaged, high-risk asset that can make them some money in a decade when they can literally invest into so many other things (be that within sports or not) that is way more likely to return a profit and isn't such a complex process. Them missing out on United is not a financial tragedy, if anything, it is avoiding huge risk.
2. INEOS have reportedly indicated that the Glazers still having a say is a no-go. If they buy let's say 25% now with the view of a full takeover in 3 years, that's basically them achieving their goal because they likely don't view the takeover possible as of now. It's also possible that this change in their bid is something they wouldn't do if the Glazers didn't tell them that this would be something they'd likely accept.
James Rhodes, who has got a lot of his information from the INEOS side has posted this.
https://x.com/Muppetiers/status/1708901747043815749?s=20
He has never been negative about INEOS or the 92 Foundation ( he just wants the Galzers out). But this is the first time he has said something bad about their involvement in this process.
Rhodes is possibly thinking along the lines of yourself here?
How the fvck would those goblins staying on in any capacity be a ‘great outcome’ ? It’d be an absolute disaster and it beggars belief that any Utd fan would be happy with this.
Everyone keeps saying that but why haven't they yet. Its not like the bidding process started a week ago, its been going on for more than a year. I'm starting to think people are just saying that in hope rather than with any belief.
But that doesn’t make sense. All Qatar has to be is better than Sir Jim’s bid. If Glazers don’t sell then they don’t sell. The future isn’t some murky other world where all the problems Jim has today in his takeover goes away. You can’t sidestep those problems by saying well we will just buy you out in 2026 then. If there was a road to do that he would be doing that now.
So if this is something that the Glazers would accept, why are they only considering it?
Why haven't they done it? It seems to me like this something they're doing to try persuade the Glazers to choose them. Obviously none of us have any idea of whats actually going on, but none of this makes any sense at all.
Tough question, but probably, yes. A top 3 biggest club in the world owned by a despotic regime is pretty close to the death of football for me, anyways.
If the Glazers have a much bigger bid why would they sell a smaller percentage at a lesser price?. It’s a pretty pointless roll of the dice from INEOS and is bad publicity for them.
Ratcliffe shows his true colours...
Feck that guy.
Feck that guy.
If the other 4 rats want to sell up but it’s Joel and Avram wanting to stay, why would they take part now and part in 3 years with a risk it doesn’t increase in value? It would need complete board approval and we’ve already seen they can’t decide what day it is let alone what to do collectively with their shares
How do we know they want to sell a smaller percentage at a lesser price? We have no proof that this is something that the Glazers have suggested? We have no idea whats going on. This could very well be INEOS trying one last time to persuade the Glazers to sell to them? We don't know whats going on with the Qatar bid, all we can safely say is the Qatari's aren't people who would likely want to be seen as being rejected by the Glazers, they'd pull out long before and pin the blame on them
But they have outbid Sir Jim? Not even outbid but better than that. simply been the only legal option as a takeover.
The class A shares aren’t allowing Jim’s Glazers only offer to continue, Qatar have already done it, they’ve fecked both Jim and the Glazers plan. In 2026 he has the same problem in a takeover, he has to have a better offer than Qatar for the Class A shares and that’s not something he can agree to with Glazers alone.
Feck of Brexit Jim, Glazer shill! Full sale only.
Don’t know what’s worse. This news about Jim ready to become a Glazer yes man puppet or our performances on the pitch.
What a mess of a club
What a mess of a club
Mail showing how easy its to manipulate fans by conveniently ommiting an important part of the tweet its referring to. And its working.
The fact the Mike Keegan thinks that the Glazers would invest any of the money recieved in the club is quite laughable to be honest
Because they don’t want to be held to ransom by some tinpot, dirty Florida Family. If Qatar fail to buy Man Utd, it is not the end of the word for them. They will simply pivot to another club. That’s what Saudi Arabia did, they wanted to buy Man Utd back in 2019, but they switched to Newcastle for a fraction of the price and look how well it’s going
Qatar are doing the right thing, they will also be held to ransom on future business deals they do, such as property if they simply go and pay £6 Billion for such a overpriced asset such as Man Utd
Nine Two Foundation have stuck by their principles from the start. They said no “reckless bidding” from the start and they are abiding by that. Also they have said it is a private bid with private funding with acceptance from the State. That’s different to a state deal with unlimited state money where they HAVE to do a deal
I don't really see this as good news? A very expensive plaster on a massive shotgun wound.
The problem is getting the Glazers to sell, Qatar haven’t been able to do that. People are so desperate for Qatar to win they can’t see past it. Whoever appeases the Glazers will win, that’s the first and biggest hurdle. They’ll be ways around a lot of the other issues.
A lot of the speculation is already that this bid is still part of wanting control and not a minority shareholding because it doesn’t make sense otherwise.
Motorised buggy for the dog. Upgrade the missus.
It’s not, It’s terrible news. Worst case scenario type stuff. The only potential upside to this bid is it twists Sheikh Jassim’s arm and forces him to up his offer if he doesn’t want to risk missing out.
Anything that keeps the Glazers part of the decision-making process at the club is beyond awful.
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