The tweet you're quoting doesn't even cite a source? Potentially more sus than Daily Mail.
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The tweet you're quoting doesn't even cite a source? Potentially more sus than Daily Mail.
If the Daily Mail was bs surely someone would have boo boo'ed it by now.
On the other hand, if Daily Mail did have an exclusive surely established journalists would be piling on it.
Guess we're in limbo just how the Glazers like us the thieving cnuts
On the other hand, if Daily Mail did have an exclusive surely established journalists would be piling on it.
Guess we're in limbo just how the Glazers like us the thieving cnuts
You are living in cuckoo land if you think anyone but a middle eastern state backed bid is going to pay 10 billion.
I’ve said it loads of times and it rings true now more than ever:
Good news - must be fake news, BS merchant etc
Bad news - Everybody panic! The world is ending! Etc
RedCafe logic
That’s actually what the real problem is. LBO was clearly bad for the club long term, now it is what it is. There’s plenty of milk to be milked yet as well despite what people like G Nev tweet.
Least it would keep out of the people who go to games and spend a fortune in megastore
I’m certain their source was some top home and away red on Twitter being all ITK. The article was similar wording to his thread on there.
Should have utilised that £60m used on Mount and took the dual offer for M&M too
beInSports is owned by Qatar, also, hardly an unbiased source.
Furthermore, 'off the market' implies United were actually on it. The Glazers have never officially said we are for sale. Therefore, the Glazers can keep everything open and hope an increased bid will arrive. I'll be surprised if they announce anything.
All in, this has gone the way I thought it would: last night's 'news' being quickly counteracted with pro-Qatari sources expressing the non-news of their own 'close sources'.
At about Ten PM, Custis will have another 'exclusive' advising about how it's all systems go with Qatar despite his publication mooting the DM scoop.
One thing is different: the Glazers really remaining is 'out there', i.e. being openly discussed as a genuine possibility.
But even that is the same conjecture. which haunts the procedure. We just have to wait.
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Pretty sure they'd have known long before an "exclusive" story breaks in the press wouldn't they?
The Glazers are incompetent arseholes, but they're not that stupid to keep Raine and the bidders in the dark and have something leak in the press that'll come as a shock to both of them... surely??
good they still found time to leak it to the DM though
It is a fair point. But then also by that logic, an oil state sponsored bid will always be able to outmuscle other bidders, in the present just as much as in any future.
And indeed the sense of relief, even if shortsighted or naive, that I get from reading news about the sale being postponed is refering to this very situation, that a Qatar takeover already now sounded most likely and in fact imminent. And the Ratcliffe proposal was not convincing or hope inspiring in itself. A rather bleak situation.
So what other can I say than that even if a state takeover were ultimately inevitable, any day or year it does not happen is good to me. And then one can still hope it is not in fact inevitable and that there might be other options, bidders, models, developments in the future.
One such development could be, the fanbase as stakeholders can use the time to somehow sort ourselves out and add a voice that complicates the process of the Glazers simply selling to the highest bidder in a sphere where clubs are merely financial investment and/or sportswashing objects. The superleague affair showed that a public discourse connected to fans' voices does have some political power (in that particular case, surprisingly much power, actually). That power might be rapidly diminishing towards the upper level of ownership, transnational business and the global 'product' of football, yet that product is still always incarnated as clubs, leagues, federations that have a locality with societal and political framework, if not something precarious as a history and identity. Within that framework, we have to maintain that influence can be exerted.
Obviously I cannot pretend it does not feel like a massive longshot or a pipedream, especially seeing the mixture of understandable fatalism, annoying cynicism, and unfettered, blinkered greed swirling in this thread.
People point out the horse has left the barn (whether that happened with Abramovich, City, the Saudi Newcastle takeover or indeed some developments reaching further back), but I would prefer us to cling to the cord around our horse's neck while it drags us across the ground, maybe slowing it down or affecting its steering. Even if that is grinding. Too many fans want to let loose because where they see the horse running, they crave some glorious transfer market warchest to 'buy us a team to compete with City'.
Football is still a game. We already have a team (and not a cheap one at that). You can always compete.
Nobody is a saint. But with that line of argument you can equate, and bulldoze over, any little or not so little differences. To stay in the religious vocabulary, I do not like it if that line is used to absolve us from the task to try to draw boundaries and take up standpoints as best as we can, in the face of ambivalence and grey areas.
Thank you, it is good to read such a post as this is important to remember.
Perhaps being based in Germany where ownership is still tied to club structures and hence a sports club ethos is still somewhat more relevant to the perception of the sport, the perspective of my being a fan of Man United and by extension PL football is tinged with that socialization. But to me it is integral that Man United also always has carried a strong element of such a club ethos even alongside its prominent position in the commercialization of the sport, and it is something I feel we should keep insisting on, despite..
No idea, my lens from abroad might have been neglecting or underestimating the corroding effect of the Glazers ownership on many local fans' sense of connection and identity, though I would argue we should try to not completely confound our recent relative lack of success with complete alienation and fatalistic lamentation of total mismanagement. It should still be 'win together, lose together', basically. But that would be stuff for another tl/dr post.
Ok I got it off my chest. Sorry that it is on the longwinded and sanctimonious side. Back to the newbies I go.
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Hope you are right
A level-headed response?? What's this doing here? Mods!?I’ve said it loads of times and it rings true now more than ever:
Good news - must be fake news, BS merchant etc
Bad news - Everybody panic! The world is ending! Etc
RedCafe logic
What’s the debt at now? Saw over a billion on X earlier today.if true that’s a big addition to the reported 10 billion
Quite humorous how the anti Qatar brigade take this as gospel while a couple of months ago rubbishing sources saying the deal was done. It works both ways though to be fair.
Doesn’t mean anything. Emails, what’s app etc all exist 24 hours a day.
Maybe you are correct.
But if the future of football is just Middle Eastern states competing against each other then the whole thing is just pointless.
From day one I never really believed they'd sell. They're too greedy and ultimately, too stupid...
I've never smoked anything in my life, but the day one of these cnuts kicks it, I'll light a big fat cigar.
(And cough uncontrollable in sheer delight)
I've never smoked anything in my life, but the day one of these cnuts kicks it, I'll light a big fat cigar.
(And cough uncontrollable in sheer delight)
Don’t inhale. Just chew the smoke.
Well in that case this club is in the mire then and will remain so for the forseeable
I don't know how they can continue to afford owning the club unless they start tightening the purse strings even further, but that will result in us sliding down the table and the club's value plummeting.
I guess the (almost certainly false) implication is that someone in the Glazer camp told a personal contact before the parties involved in the bidding were informed. Avram must be yapping to his dermatologist again.
Yeah at some point the summer budget will be literally in double figure millions. Only way you cope with that is having a proper structure which will never happen under these leeches
The sale reached an impasse some time ago when the Glazer family split on who to sell to. It remains for something in the real world to change that. It could be a bad season on the pitch or it could be one of the buyers publicly pulling out. Or one of the Glazer brothers facing a financial problem. Or it could be we are stuck here for a long time.
There are things I want to say about the Glazers that cannot be said.
Greedy and evil are two of many words I can use. No other reason to not sell, apart from greed. It’s not like they are making a loss at 6 billion. This is why the world is so unfair and you have poverty everywhere, it’s because the rich will only enrich themselves.
Greedy and evil are two of many words I can use. No other reason to not sell, apart from greed. It’s not like they are making a loss at 6 billion. This is why the world is so unfair and you have poverty everywhere, it’s because the rich will only enrich themselves.
I wonder has one of these “That’s RedCafe, that is” posts ever actually managed to identify something which is in any way unique to RedCafe and not just something that happens sometimes in the world at large or football fandom more particularly?I’ve said it loads of times and it rings true now more than ever:
Good news - must be fake news, BS merchant etc
Bad news - Everybody panic! The world is ending! Etc
RedCafe logic
I’ve said it loads of times and it rings true now more than ever:
Good news - must be fake news, BS merchant etc
Bad news - Everybody panic! The world is ending! Etc
RedCafe logic
But this is good news and a lot of people are rightly not reading too much into it.
The Glazers deciding not to sell is terrible news.
They might as well pull out publicly now and feel awful wanting your club to have a bad season just so the owners will feck off
I honestly won't believe any of this until either united says something, jassim's people say something or Ratcliffe's people say something, anything else is just conjecture and nonsense until the official news comes out.
£10 billion
That’s a lot of pie and chips
That’s a lot of pie and chips
If one pulls out the other wins the auction by default. They would only do that if they decided to buy a different club. In the case of the Qataris that's not possible since they are a shell company set up only to buy Manchester United. INEOS might pull out but SJR would look like a twat if he suddenly declared himself a lifelong Liverpool fan instead.
Can’t help but feel if SirJim hadn’t planted the idea the Glazers could still retain some level of control, we’d have new owners by now.
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They’re just another awful ruthless sociopathic rich family. The World- (America) seems to be full of them.
Fecking rich idiots, and that’s what pisses me off, greedy horrible bastards the lot of em.
I think Custis has actually got this right, so too Reuters etc, I mean what is the alternative? In 2 years time the scenario could well be the team is in free fall not adequately replacing the likes of Varane and Casemiro, losing so much money in interest payments on an unsustainable debt and the owners desperately seeking an urgent sale from the bidders they previously burnt bridges with, not a chance. They will sell the club and it will be sold soon.
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