How Ole thread is behind Trump thread is beyond me, what are we America or something? GET POSTING!!
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For reasons I am unsure of a lot of our biggest spammers are Americans.
I said to @VeevaVee @Rado_N and @esmufc07 last night, the Glazers have owned the club for the last 18 years and despite that United fans still feel that there is enough of the club they are still emotionally connected to argue that the next owners will be the one that ruins the club.
The truth is that almost everyone is going to still keep supporting United because it’s a hell of a lot more than the owners that actually defines the club and the bond we have with it.
That's my feelings.
Where abouts around Manchester / Salford where your friends trying to purchase land, Sults?
1 to 2 miles around the ground.
I wouldn't say that.
I just have real issues with any state other than the UK government or a branch of that owning what is essentially a northern English cultural heirloom.
The fact that state is abhorrent me on so many levels compounds the issue.
I have come to terms with capitalist leeches owning the club, helped by my day to day acceptance of it in other spheres.
States and corporations going head to head for hegemony should alarm everyone. But it doesn't seem to.
That is true but I would suggest those parts of the world tend to be inhabited by poor people at the sharp end of US excess and Americans don't really care what they think. They scarcely care what anyone thinks to be honest, as there are plenty of people lining up to visit, live and work there.
That’s a good point the opinion of those people matter less
You win ffs!
They matter less economically and to the Americans. We are talking about football, sports washing and marketing here, not actual ethics.
The Glazers own most of around the ground. Then there's the Quays and the City Centre's being expanded in all directions, so I'm not surprised the prices are high.
First I’ve heard of it
Asymptotic progress is the best progress clearly.
The nation state USA has an awful reputation on here. We are not led by parochialism. I think it's insulting to people to think they don't know their own minds.
Where did someone call anyone disingenuous just because they disagreed?
This sort of invention doesn't help.
First I’ve heard of it
Posters who’ve suggested that Utd being owned by a prominent Qatari consortium would be a good thing for progress in Qatar have been called disingenuous repeatedly, as the go to response.
Essentially being told, ‘I’ve decided you’re not allowed to believe that’.
Beyond that, BOTH ‘sides’ have repeatedly labelled each other disingenuous…
It's not narrow-mindedness and not directed at anyone in particular. I was replying to the poster who said these countries had a terrible reputation. It's a fact and I stand by my opinion the USA, and Middle East have terrible reputations depending on geographical locations.
I'm sure we'll have a boycott US WC thread. 
Absolutely. I agree, and deservedly so.
@t00l
I don't know what section of fans you're talking about. I only talk and represent myself, I could say something as a joke to wind up people but in all honesty, I have no interest in caring about what could upset people or not. I try my best to stay within the site's guidelines and that's it
Perfect kick off times thoughI'm sure we'll have a boycott US WC thread.
The emoji is a big hint that things aren't that serious. All of you's need to take a step back and actually realize we're talking about football and half the time it's not that serious, or rather it shouldn't be.
Whether Jassim or Jim wins, it won't change a damn thing in my life
I think he's referring to the current budget which will change with a takeover potentially.
I'm glad you quoted me. I posted an article, stated it was from the from the Guardian and named the organisation that the person quoted was from. Rood ignored the whole of the post and focused on the fact I didn't link to the article. I later linked to it and said his response was disingenuous, because it was, not because he disagreed, because he didn't.
It won't. They aren't spending 7 months on this without knowing it's a formality.
Can't wait see the Azteca used again for a WC game.
If you realised that we're not talking about football you might be less glib.
You're going to get them started all over again
Come on man, get with it, it’s the internet we spend 80% of the time debating utter bollocks.
I struggle to believe Ratcliffe secured financing in principle with the business plan of "running it for the lolz".
There's something major that isn't being said about his plans for us
There's something major that isn't being said about his plans for us
the loans will be secured against Ineos, not United
I would say both deserve their terrible reputation for different reasons. But for better or worse Manchester United is an English club and the UK is culturally heavily aligned with America. I would infinitely prefer Qatari ownership to Glazer ownership. But I would rather live in America than Qatar assuming comparable income.
It's a very Internet way to argue: something is said for a specific reason, while the response generalizes everything away. In this case "person X is being disingenuous for reason Y" is magically transformed into "people are being disingenuous because they disagree".
This rhetoric tries to achieve two things. You don't have to engage with what's written, because it's all melted down into 'disagreement', and you also deflect away from the person in question. Rood vanishes, and instead becomes the group "posters who’ve suggested that Utd being owned by a prominent Qatari consortium would be a good thing for progress in Qatar". It's all very boring.
That isn't how it works. Banks loaning a business will want to know why and want to see business plans and repayment plans and how. In most of the last few years Ineos has lost money after its obligations are accounted and pay for.
Loading a business with £4bn worth of debt yet having a £4bn asset you don't intend to leverage the revenues of to repay it is fecking lunacy and no bank or financer is agreeing to those terms
This fantasy bullshit needs to stop
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