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Ben Jacobs and a number of other English media twats are starting to seem very much like they’re in the pocket of Ratcliffe and have absolutely no knowledge or connection at all to 92 Foundation…

Something they might want to address in the near future.
They're all actually saying the same thing. I don't understand the confusion.
 
But three months for a simple holding? Jacobs is talking out of his arse here. No two ways about it. Very, very, very unlikely this company was registered before the last Qatar bid.
Why am I the only one reading Jacobs' tweet as the documents were submitted months ago but they've only decided to act on it recently?

They might not have completed the registration process and were awaiting updates regarding the sale process. 92 Foundation feels confident and are therefore going ahead with the process.
 
Reuters should be very good. But find it strange with the editing and that it’s mostly fluff added. That said, I think it’s going to be Qatar.

Reuters are a news agency, at the end of the day they will try to add context. Now the thing that may have happened earlier is that they tried to publish the main information before anyone else could and later decided to fill up the article. As far as I can see they didn't change the first report.
 
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They're all actually saying the same thing. I don't understand the confusion.
Yeah, they're all saying the same thing but carefully wording it in such a way that it could be interpreted differently.
 
Why do we subconsciously assume that just because City and the WC was won through unethical means should we be generalising every deal Arabs make? Boahly has gone bonkers with the purchase of players and I see no one accusing him of cheating (apologies if I'm missing something obvious). Let's wait and see how the club is run. It may well be grown organically and legitimately.

Qatar or Sir Jim

Opposition fans and the media will always find a reason to downplay United's success. It's always happened in the past despite our legitimately gained successes. Sir Alex loved the narrative of being hated.
 
Ben Jacobs didn’t say what I wanted him to say therefore he should be banned!!!

WAH WAH WAH :(:(:(
 
Reuters are a news agency, at the end of the day they will try to add context. Now the thing that may have happened earlier is that they tried to public the main information before anyone else could and later decided to fill up the article. As far as I can see they didn't change the first report.
Happens all the time with breaking stories (sports or otherwise) on the BBC. Pretty standard practice from Reuters to beef up the article with some additional information/context.
 
Reuters are a news agency, at the end of the day they will try to add context. Now the thing that may have happened earlier is that they tried to public the main information before anyone else could and later decided to fill up the article. As far as I can see they didn't change the first report.

That makes sense. I would bet on that to be accurate.
 
Opposition fans and the media will always find a reason to downplay United's success. It's always happened in the past despite our legitimately gained successes. Sir Alex loved the narrative of being hated.

We were hated in the 90s because we were the best club in the country by a mile. That's very different to being hated because you're a sportwashing project for a nation state with appalling human rights records
 
So, in the last few weeks, sports journos have told us that...

1) There will be no period of exclusivity because this is being taken care of right now anyway. So once the Glazers accept a bid that's pretty much it.
2) SJR is leading the race because the Glazers want to stay in some capacity.
3) The Glazers are willing to walk away, because nobody will meet their demands, and they're worried about where SJ's money comes from.
4) Various other soothsaying shite.

Then Reuters rock up and say something completely different. If they of all people are talking shit then this entire saga will have finally reached its Maximum Cnut Point.
 
How does it contradict what he said?

Think it's more than he never breaks any news but seemingly always on the alert to post nothing-updates to news that has been spreading. Also that he seemingly came out of nowhere last year trying to act relevant in the Chelsea sale and now has moved to mirror Romano without the exclusives and also pretend he got inside knowledge in the business sector. Think he just wants to earn cash like Romano by posting about everything.
 
Ben Jacobs didn’t say what I wanted him to say therefore he should be banned!!!

WAH WAH WAH :(:(:(
He just doesn’t make any sense. He’s been called out on his absolute nonsense time and time again.
 
Ben Jacobs didn’t say what I wanted him to say therefore he should be banned!!!

WAH WAH WAH :(:(:(
Pretty sure the filing being proved to be bullshit shows he just rushes to get his tweets out there when he hasn’t anything to say.
Why would any of his other tweets be any different?
 
Except it IS an option. Those clubs you mentioned are in completely different scenarios to what we are. None had previous revenue streams or anything close to it to the point where they would grow organically, thus the dirty money pumping (although to Newcastles credit they've hardly gone crazy). We have 0 need for the same type of artificial money, and quite frankly can't really even use it (transfer wise at least) with the newest FFP rules. If anything the "huge warchest" will mainly be used to get our infrastructure up to standards with other top clubs while our existing revenue streams pay for transfers in the same way, just without the saddled debt and leeching from the Glazers. f

I just don't see the similarities between us and any other middle eastern takeover so far in terms of the level of the clubs. Besides "oil state buys football club", there are a huge number of underlying differences.
I suspect very quickly we'll see something like Qatar Airways become our shirt sponsor as we conveniently are on the lookout for a shirt sponsor. Now of course we always get big deals. But we'll get that few percent extra bigger deals. Newcastle already we see it there - they get a shirt sponsor in the most upper end of the believable for a club of their size. Without being Saudi owned, they would simply not get as much for their deal. So we'll see similar stuff with United. Loads of random sponsors all linked to Qatar all offering at the upper end of fair value.

To add to it, it's not simply that it will almost definitely at some point happen. It's that we are in the position where we simply can do it. If succeeding through normal methods doesn't quite work, they'll do what is required under the table to make it happen just like has happened at other state owned club. We don't play by the same rules as 99% of the competition anymore. Risk doesn't exist for the club. It's just... How much is needed to get the job done? We won't feel any impact of shit transfers like we do now. We'll just buy another 50m fullback the next year like City do. And as you say, we'll pump loads into the facilities for sure. Great. Except it's not earned, it's just gifted to win over people by a state with no financial limits. It's sports washing. Like, it's fine if you or others don't care about that. But myself and many others really do and it's the last thing we ever wanted United to become. It taints success, it tampers the pride and joy you get from football, it impacts the tribalism in football, it hinders the competitive fairness in football.

And to add, now when any single social issue comes up in the world, the club now has to play this awkward shuffle by half pretending to care about equality while being owned by a state that actively implements rules against those same issues.

I fully believe that the club is capable of getting back to the top without Qatar. It's disappointing as we finally got the manager right and just need time and some smart transfers to make it work and we'd get there. And now we have them, it'll taint it when we eventually do get there. It sucks because I genuinely think we would have gotten there without it before long.
 
Why do we subconsciously assume that just because City and the WC was won through unethical means should we be generalising every deal Arabs make? Boahly has gone bonkers with the purchase of players and I see no one accusing him of cheating (apologies if I'm missing something obvious). Let's wait and see how the club is run. It may well be grown organically and legitimately.

Qatar or Sir Jim

Opposition fans and the media will always find a reason to downplay United's success. It's always happened in the past despite our legitimately gained successes. Sir Alex loved the narrative of being hated.

Yeah, agree. I mean Mockney's post was well-written but also overly negative - which probably points to sadness of what football has become? I mean I agree state-ownership will make winning feel very hollow unless done in a correct way.

Either way, the point about being ridiculed by oppo's I just don't get. Liverpool and City fans has never credited us with anything. We could run a zero-profit organisation with the owners being Red Cross that wins everything with players born and raised on Sir Matt Busby Way and they will cough up enough conspiracy theories to convince themselves that every win is dodgy.
 
These places are absolote monarchy dictatorships. They don't produce anything other than oil except the stuff they bought with oil money which itself came from the state. Complain as much as you like about stereotyping but applying non-medieval standards to Arab oil states like Qatar or Saudi is just delusional. These are primitive cultures that got lucky wth natural resources, nothing more. If the fund controlled by the son of the brother of the nephew of the King is bidding (or whatever) then it's a state bid. The corrupt Premier League might chose to pretend otherwise but that's no reason we should.

That said I have no great objection to the club being bought by them. I just don't pretend they are other than what they are.
This is a concerning post. With some other bans it’s surprising this has gone unnoticed. @mods?
 
Reuters report suggests Qatar is negotiating or close to exclusivity. It’s pretty misleading and fits a pattern of Raine using the media to add jeopardy and force Inesos this time to up their bid.

Suggests Qatar is leading now, but it's not over yet.
Yeah this is how I'm reading it. Jassim is now leading after his latest offer and is preferred but it's not done yet.
 
Why do we subconsciously assume that just because City and the WC was won through unethical means should we be generalising every deal Arabs make? Boahly has gone bonkers with the purchase of players and I see no one accusing him of cheating (apologies if I'm missing something obvious). Let's wait and see how the club is run. It may well be grown organically and legitimately.

Qatar or Sir Jim

Opposition fans and the media will always find a reason to downplay United's success. It's always happened in the past despite our legitimately gained successes. Sir Alex loved the narrative of being hated.
At least SAF had the credit but now it will just get attributed to our Overlord(SJ/SJR).
 
How does it contradict what he said?

Unless I am completely getting it wrong in which case I will hold my hands up. When the news broke out earlier today regarding the 92 Foundation Companies House details beginning to merge, Jacobs was the first to insist that the application had been filed months ago. That’s not the case as stated by Faisal’s tweet that it was received today and only takes a few hours. The parent company was only created at the end of April.
 
Journalists share what sources tell them, for the most part. They given incorrect information regularly. Yes you get ‘chancers’ when it comes to transfer season but I don’t think that’s what’s happening with this. It is however clear which side the journalists are getting info from.
 
I'm hearing there's a late breaking offer from Kendall and Roman.

Tom Wambsgans to become CEO. Connor as World Club Ambassador.

Shiv on transfers. Cousin Greg gets the Youth Team.
 
@Pexbo / muppet legion - tag me when there's some actual news, I'm going to a concert.
I'm going to regret this

how are you going to get there? in a car that uses fossil fuels? did you book the tickets on a mac or iphone? are planning to buy a beverage from the coca-cola or pepsico corporations whilst you’re there? it’s important to stay hydrated. how about a chocolatey snack from nestle? you piece of shit.
 
Reading reports that the Glazers are negotiating with the Qatari bid about entering exclusivity (yes these things are that complicated). I suspect we’ll have new owners within a couple of weeks.
 
Except it IS an option. Those clubs you mentioned are in completely different scenarios to what we are. None had previous revenue streams or anything close to it to the point where they would grow organically, thus the dirty money pumping (although to Newcastles credit they've hardly gone crazy). We have 0 need for the same type of artificial money, and quite frankly can't really even use it (transfer wise at least) with the newest FFP rules. If anything the "huge warchest" will mainly be used to get our infrastructure up to standards with other top clubs while our existing revenue streams pay for transfers in the same way, just without the saddled debt and leeching from the Glazers. f

I just don't see the similarities between us and any other middle eastern takeover so far in terms of the level of the clubs. Besides "oil state buys football club", there are a huge number of underlying differences.


Suppose the for sake of argument that city continue to dominate by pumping in money through the back door, then Newcastle start do the same. Our Qatari owners do not, and as a result, we are stuck in perpetual third place. Do you think the owners will settle for third place? Or use their resources to get ahead the same way City and Newcastle did?

I'm not even that fussed by the financial doping argument, that horse has pretty much bolted as far as I'm concerned. But to believe that Qatari owners wouldn't do it when our rivals do feels very naive.
 
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