Club Sale | It’s done!
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Some of his previous posts have been spot on though.
I'm not sure I am, I understand what you're are saying but the point is flawed in any context.
Sorry mate I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I just hate that argument.
Just quoting this so it doesnt go unnoticed.
they've been temped for that
anyone who is against quatar should stop driving. shame on all that oil from quatar
Ultimately which owner we would ‘prefer’ is irrelevant given we have no say in the matter.
What we have a say in is whether we continue to support the club regardless who the owners are.
Given this is a lifelong club to most of us, no one should be crititicised for supporting the club, whoever it is owned by. Supporting a club doesn’t mean you support or endorse the actions of its owners. If anything walking away from a football club is far harder than walking away from a certain product that you have moral issues with.
What we have a say in is whether we continue to support the club regardless who the owners are.
Given this is a lifelong club to most of us, no one should be crititicised for supporting the club, whoever it is owned by. Supporting a club doesn’t mean you support or endorse the actions of its owners. If anything walking away from a football club is far harder than walking away from a certain product that you have moral issues with.
I hope you wanted the flag the stupidity of the post rather than agreeing with it
The the idea that integrating other countries into western society will somehow spark change within them hasn't really panned out with Russia or China to be fair. If anything the opposite has been true, the West turned a blind eye to Russian aggression for years to keep the Gas flowing and Western entertainment among other industries have been bending over backwards and bowing to China's demands to get access to their market.
And if the World Cup was any sort of indicator then Qatar doesn't seem interested or ready to progress as you put it.
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Well it's not the same as I wasn't suggesting that or even saying anything of the sort.
Try reading what I wrote before you reply.
Sucks doesn't it - man I miss the comparative innocence of the 90s (to be fair, helped that I was a teenager and that we were so successful...)
Of course. It's a horrible post which needs to be shown.
Ironically these same posters would probably stop watching us if we stopped competing, and even fell to the championship. Which long term could happen under Glazers.
Like I said, I think I'd walk away from football. I can't imagine ever loving another club as much I loved Utd - maybe if I lived in the UK still I'd watch my local lower league team, but I live in Australia these days so I'd probably just try and get into Aussie rules instead
So are you saying that the folks oposed to the Qatar takeover are Glory Hunters?
Pages and pages of drivel and the same people making the same, tired arguments to support their view.
This takeover is more tedious than watching cricket.
This takeover is more tedious than watching cricket.
Surprises me that they haven’t released the new shirt yet. Maybe they are waiting for the sale to happen as they know shirt sales will rocket with Qatar. Clutching here guys.
Great Post
Ah ok that makes sense.
Ok so they don't intend to take it private. Hmmm.
It's absolutely their right to make that decision. And it's other people's right to criticise them for it, just like anyone has the right to criticise anyone's moral positions.
As for why I'd criticise them, it's precisely because of the particularly egregious combination of high moral wrong and extremely low actual impact on them.
Because all I'm expecting from people is to have enough of a sense of moral right/wrong in this situation to decide "I'd generally prefer United wasn't owned by a proxy for the Qatari state, even though I may have moral and practical qualms with the alternative too and my opinion has zero impact on anything".
That's it. Not to stop watching football, not to stop supporting United, not to refrain from criticisng the alternatives, not to actually do anything at all whatsoever that has any sort of real-world impact. Just to think "this is the morally worst outcome and, on balance, I prefer it didn't happen" and continue on as before. It's a very low threshold to meet.
But instead we have posters gleefully revelling in their lack of morality, by which I mean quite literally saying things like "I'm sick of morality" and "I don't care about morals in football". Or opting to make the sort of nonsensical false equivalence arguments I have to believe are disingenuous attempts at sophistry, as it would be very disrespectful to think they're actually stupid enough to believe their own bullshit. And I think those posters and fans fully deserve the criticism they get.
Long term, no one can tell. It's possible that they intend to do it later.
My bad. Yes, that's what I meant. Was a bit muddle-headed there.
This is a load of rubbish. There is nothing in life that is a necessary that can’t be done ethically and morally.
Fact is, people pick and choose when they want to live ethically/morally.
People need to stop lying to themselves and own it.
You don’t need to work for certain employers with ethical issues.
You don’t need to use a smart phone.
You can choose to drive an electric car.
Etc, etc, etc….
Move a little to the right; you are blocking my sun.
back to the matter at hand, are we actually any closer to this being resolved?
I fully appreciate those entertaining purchases of ethically sourced products. However, many of these poor people have no chance or choice to earn a living besides working for unscrupulous employers. It's a chance to survive and feed themselves and their children. It's desperate out in some countries. This is why people travel to work in such places as UAE, Qatar, and Saudi. It's not a choice but a necessity. You can argue and debate quite rightly these countries have the resources to give their workers better conditions and pay. The other option is to travel and cross many borders and possibly the channel to search for a better quality of life in Europe. Here again, our politicians are on their cases and treated inhumanely.
I think fans and media have been too patient with this deal. The Glazers are very obvious in their disregard for anything but maximizing their sale price.
That I don't know, I can only imagine that's JIm only angle to get ahead of Qatar. Personally though I believe the Galzers are just using him to squeeze Qatar for more money. And it looks like it may have worked.
If you are arguing that I could do my current job without a smartphone or laptop, then that is objectively stupid.
If you are arguing that the moral threshold required for me to object to state ownership of a football club should equally require me to give up my job, give up my career and retrain into some unspecified profession I identify that in no way relies on any unethical products, then that is subjectively stupid.
I don't particularly care which brand of stupid you're determined to espouse, as either way my response is going to be bolierplate disdain. But you could stop, actually think about what you're arguing for even a second, and understand why it is so patently ridiculous.
Because while there are a lot of bad arguments in this thread, the one you're making is profoundly silly in a way most don't reach.
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What exactly they can do to be honest , Glazers are the only one making decision ultimately .
Personally I couldn't make the living I do without a phone.
I have an Electric car but I'm not entirely convinced it's actually better for the environment.
Unfortunately there’s nothing the fans or anyone else can do, these leeches can take however long they want as they hold all the cards. The only way to hurry this up is if Sheikh Jassim and Ratcliffe threaten to pull out unless a decision is made soon but that’s not going to happen by the looks of things.
I don't know, protests, social media campaigns etc. Some even tried to attack their residence if I'm not mistaken - which I discommend btw.
I usually post #Glazers out on social media platforms, including official Man United ones, but similar post seem very few.
We are not was you say " Sick of Morality" what we are sick off is the rinse and repeat of 1684 pages of it as some attempt at indoctrination. What equally laughable is the constant attempts to evaluate each other opinions. Brexit chemical Jim v Gas anti LGBT etc Jassim. By now, the points have been well made and sure members are by now well informed.
You have no choice but to do many things in desperation. It's not always a choice, but survival. Difficult preaching these morals to people on empty stomachs in such countries as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and many parts of Africa.
I have decided that this Friday would be the "Big day". Don't ask me why, I don't even know myself.
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