Yes you're so right!!
Club Sale | It’s done!
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All you're proving here is that you, and others are willing to bend your morals depending on your needs and wants.
You absolutely can find ethically sourced clothes, you absolutely do not need a smart phone to function.
Being condescending to those whom do not share the exact same moral compass as you just drives further divides. No one is advocating whipping gays in the centre circle FFS.
It's this simple - if it's a private bid Sir Jim is wealthier than the Sheikh and by Protari logic is by far the better choice.
If it is a state bid (and it is) then Jassim is irrelevant and cannot serve as a firewall between the crimes of the state and the bid.
Could it be that we are watching a set piece in which many of the developments are manufactured? Sometimes there’s a sense that all is not quite as it seems….
I have inserted a little ornithology for a bit of light relief.
Nothing significant on the takeover will happen today, or tomorrow - or even for the rest of the month.
This is my prediction.
This is my prediction.
"Hello my fellow thread zombies"
Oh god I get that. They've pulled the mortar out of a gable end in the house behind us to get in and nest, and the babies are poking their heads out and creating a racket as I write. We never saw any at all until 3 or 4 years ago and are getting a dozen at a time now, when this year's fledge it will be complete inundation.
@Brophs has started to e flirt with females now.
that's only because @moses has been ignoring him
People are ready to swear against the Qatar takeover because of their human rights issues, I get that, but then where will progress come from? you think Qatar give two ships about amnesty? realistically the only way change will take place is following a civil uprising, which is unlikely, massive UN embargos which would be undermined by other nations and would never happen due to the west's dependency on oil from the middle east, or maybe instead through assimilation, the more we isolate and and disengage then we miss out on conversations.
Most people, myself included are happily oblivious to what occurs outside their bubble, look at the world cup and even the just the possibility of takeover has raised awareness with millions of people, engagement is the best way to influence change, face it there is a high probability we get bought by Qatar, this will bring more scrutiny on Qatar, surely that is actually a good thing
Most people, myself included are happily oblivious to what occurs outside their bubble, look at the world cup and even the just the possibility of takeover has raised awareness with millions of people, engagement is the best way to influence change, face it there is a high probability we get bought by Qatar, this will bring more scrutiny on Qatar, surely that is actually a good thing
Every single poster in here knows more about this takeover and the intricate details than some bellend called Nick Speed on Twitter.
I'd genuinely take updates from 26 year old Fish and Chips paper than him.
Well, all the ones in real life don’t seem interested.
I talk to him daily in as he stands in my garden, through the letterbox of my front door. Is that not enough/too much?
Edit - feck you @Crackers , now I'm in this thread again.
Congrats on the marriage by the way.
They strut around like Crips and Bloods.
We have a magpie that teases the cat. Lands about 10 foot behind him and cackles at him, daring him to chase. Jake has given up and just looks tired of it all at this stage.
Thanks. But that was ages ago.
It was a gag* about your missus not paying you any interest.
Anyway, sorry, back to what you were at.
*loosely defined
Why would you want to go anywhere else? The rest of the forum is a steaming pile of shite
Indeed it’s akin to waiting for your luggage on the conveyor belt at the airport, around it goes, nothing, then a a glimpse, looks promising, damn those stickers aren’t mine, around it goes agin, there it is, but no someone else grabs it and your wait for it to go around starts again.
After yesterdays hullabaloo I admit to hoping for something this morning, just a little bit of solid news, but nothing, let’s just hope it doesn’t go tits up and the leaches pull out, it wouldn’t surprise me.
Because they are relying on finance, I expect they haven’t been given the funding to buy the class A shares because the lenders view buying them as pointless or SJR himself has decided that buying those shares is pointless. Which for him it would be.
The only real value to the Class A shares is if you want to own 100% of the club so you can take it private, delist it from the NYSE and avoid the financial transparency that comes with that.
As was mine.
My guess is, why pay more when you can just do what the Glazers have done.
They have majority control. They control the board, can pay for executive jets for useless travel without any consequences.
If you invest, i.e. put more money into the club then you’re benefiting all the shareholders in this case the 31% A class shareholders.
Therefore, like the Glazers, there is a danger that you don’t bother investing because it doesn’t benefit you. Every pound spent is like giving away 31p to your silent partners (in theory).
Having read others’ comments, a way around this is to dump loans onto the club, the basis being those can be repaid to you.
However even to be in a position to dump loans onto the club you need the support of the majority, therefore if Sir Jim takes on a simple majority of 51% he would still need the Glazers on board to do anything worthwhile.
For those reasons SJ wants complete control so that he is not benefiting the silent 31% and can basically get on with things immediately.
Yeah no, your point is nonsense.
My job literally requires me to use a phone and laptop. If I refuse to do so, I have to literally quit my job. Which obviously means the level of moral objection required to prompt me to do that will be massively greater than that required to do something that has zero practical impact on my life.
Because yes, people are willing to bend/adjust their morals depending on their needs. Or, more accurately, apply different moral standards to different situations. Clearly. It would be absolutely deranged to argue or expect otherwise.
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There was no debate. Someone asked a question and I answered it. You stuck your nose in
I just posted what this guy complained about
You are right here. Trying to justify buying "tainted" products because you need them when you could find alternatives that are more ethically made. Don't get me wrong I own an iPhone, I wear Adidas etc.. but I don't claim that there aren't any issues with how these items are made.
I think it is nativity to suggest it is easier to extract yourself from a system though, especially one built on exploitation like fast fashion. Most clothes use the same method of extraction, supply chain logistics etc so the brand is the last bit of the process. Whilst nike or adidas may have a bigger brand and reputation with their issues highlighted more, this ironically means that the factories they use will have some checks in place even if the whole system is constructed on exploitation.
Probably the only way to have ethical clothes is to pay through the nose and not everyone can do this. Just like with food, it is costly to eat healthily with organic free produce. So the idea of choice is a privileged perspective.
I don't know enough about phones to know if there is an ethical alternative but I doubt it. And the raw materials will all come from the same place.
Focus on the system not the brand. And accept you can criticise without being a hypocrite.
We get news from Keegan either Wednesday or Friday so if we don't get anything today we feast on Friday.
It's a public forum, he's hardly sticking his nose in.
You think ? Pretty convinced one of the bidders is a stalking horse.
He is if hes telling me its a useless debate when I was not debating anything
If you don't wan't other people giving context, use Whatsapp, not a forum.
Someone asking about Unions in Qatar deserved the context of your 'Yes'. Lots of Unions have issue with the Unions in Qatar and their discrimination. It's a very relevant part of the answer, because in various ways the answer is No if you are a woman or migrant worker.
Defend that all you like but don't bury the reality to 'win'.
Yes I’d hope so at 42 and I am very comfortable with it.
So why try and chastise those that will continue to support the club if Qatar do buy us? Is it not their right to make that decision themselves based on what they do or do not know about the owners?
For many stopping watching the club is akin to you not quitting your job over moral objections. Just because you would find it easy to walk away doesn't mean that applies to everyone.
You gave what I felt was a disingenuous answer, I just gave context. Was what I said wrong?
That's no way to be chatting to the staff.
This isn't a news thread, never has been.
Please, leave Jesus out of it.
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