What makes you think its harsh to call Ineos human rights abusers?
By the way I wouldn't argue against the existence of sportswashing
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What makes you think its harsh to call Ineos human rights abusers?
By the way I wouldn't argue against the existence of sportswashing
Ratcliffe is definitely on my shit list because of the Brexit hypocrisy and his Manchester into Manchester United bollocks but the environmental stuff you've just made up because I've not gone there since for me most large corps are expected to partake in that kind of stuff.
I've also tried to step back from these arguments but also don't have the power to stop others from doing so. In any case, this was more of a comment on where the thread is going to end up at.
Well that's cleared up how long it would take for parties to get approval from League
Really reflects the state of the world.
Normally at this time of year we're have transfer threads spanning thousands of pages, soiled tissue everywhere, and frustrated posters just waiting for the sweet release of someone else becoming a millionaire.
I've never heard union disputes being called that and wouldn't consider them on the same level as the abuses in Qatar. Do they even have unions over there?
Ratcliffe can piss right off with his loans. Also I reckon this is going to rumble on a long while yet and I’m becoming more and more certain that we will still have the likes of Maguire, Fred and McTominay preparing for the season opener whilst we are still hoping to get ridiculously priced transfers sorted. Just a bigger mess than usual this summer, the boss is probably very frustrated.
More binary than saying if you don't lose some emotional connection to United if Qatar win you don't care about human rights?
Yet, people are still insisting that Ineos know how to manage debt despite the fact he'll be paying through the nose for the cash to just buy us, let alone fund transfers and new stadium/other infra.
Business-wise, I don't see how Ratcliffe wins out based on the current proposal. Or at least he shouldn't but the Glazers are what they are.
No, it's not about ownership. I was quite clear with what I was talking about. I have a preference on who I want to buy the club because there are options available, and I'd rather not see a human rights abusing country, that showed their true colours during the entirely of the World Cup, take over Manchester United. Regardless of which clothing company I buy stuff from, they are probably owned by cnuts, but I can't exactly walk around naked for the sake of my moral objections now can I?
The argument being made by the person I responded to wasn't that "if you support Qatar then you have human rights". It was that "everyone is just as bad as one another" which is a fallacy.
Manchester United are a Western club. Whose values do you think they and their fans should be following? Yours?
Edit: FFS I can't read either. Thought I was responding to Cass...
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Anyone else think yesterday's tweet was intentionally misleading? I don't think it's a done deal, and I'd be surprised if Al Watan's chief editor was such a sucker. I've no idea why they'd do this but I do get the feeling all sides have been using social media to pressurise each other. We've had a few weeks of Ratcliffe and it's been Qatar this week. It always seems to be reflected in the share price.
You're well versed about Qatar so you should know that they do
ratcliffe would buy us with loans and bonds? And keep the glazers in? Feck off with that. Qatar all the way for me now and I never thought I’d say that. Ratcliffe would be a disaster. Could potentially make us even worse!
Do we know if Al Watan is a serious paper in the first place?
The multi billion dollar plants he's building in Saudi Arabia... those will certainly be built by immigrant labour in similar or worse living conditions than those that built the Qatar world cup stadiums
Fourth most influential paper in the ME according to various websites.
I get why people don’t want Qatar 100%
But this absolute clown will be the end of the club. Glazers are absolutely awful and I think he would be worse.
Terrible track record clearly doesn’t have a clue how to run a club. Debts coming in left, right and centre and the icing on the cake is the Glazers staying until 2026
Feck Jim and his penny pinching bid.
Yes so this makes it all ok right? And the owners of said NFL clubs are fit and proper for the PL right?
No one said Qatar has not done wrong, the point I made was had the same happened in Qatar the reaction here would have been worse.
The whole German team made a protest even though they were told not to, they still did it, they were not banned from the tournament.
As for your point about ownership, not sure what you're referring to?
Worth noting that the 'source' here is from Qatar, and that they feel confident in the last few days because of how long this process has taken. Which is basically the exact same stance as many posters here on the caf.
It's all Qatar this week. It's bloody tedious.
This isn't new information to be fair. Jim's backers here tell us that INEOS will comfortably service those loans without anything going out of the club accounts.
It doesn't mean much. Le Figaro is one of the most influential paper in France, it's still only good to wipe your backside. Are they actually reliable?
Why can’t Ratcliffe just offer the money upfront though?
Either through Ineos or personal wealth he can afford to do it.
You then refinance the debt with your banker friends (under Ineos, of course) and I’m right behind that bid…
Even with no promise of work on infrastructure…I’ll go with the above bid
Either through Ineos or personal wealth he can afford to do it.
You then refinance the debt with your banker friends (under Ineos, of course) and I’m right behind that bid…
Even with no promise of work on infrastructure…I’ll go with the above bid
Because they don't have it, personal wealth is not measured in liquid assets
If I want romance I'll book a weekend away with the missus. When it comes to United I just want escapism from the monotony and the responsibility that is part of everyday life, and I want to be entertained. Bring on ambitious owners, good players, good football, and a fecking shit load of goals to cheer for. Whichever owners are the best fit for that will do me fine
He doesn't have the cash.
That was rumoured right at the beginning when Jim was after a full purchase
I’ll tell you for a fact he’s not doing that with a part-purchase. There’s absolutely no sense in him paying off everyone’s debts whilst ‘only’ owning 51% of the club.
Anybody still in the Jim camp deserve everything they get it will be a complete shambles.
They are likely just playing the media game just like had been happening for SJR over the past month here in the UK
Nope, it's a source "close to the process", neither Qatari nor Jim's camp.
Some of you are obsessed. One of these is calling the hypocrisy of saying Qatar are bad for the environment and the other one is about Ratcliffe back-stabbing the fanbase by offering those cnuts a way to stay on.
But if you've found only these two (out of 700 or so posts), I guess my point stands that you're making things up.
They are apparently. It's best to ask a Qatari but the interweb seems to think it's reliable. feck knows who it's owned by, though.
Perfectly put.
Qatar it is then. Ratcliffe will be awful. Look at nice.
Yeah that's my feeling and all. They're on overdrive at all mo. Qataris were using the media yesterday. I'd love to know what outcome they expect from potentially misleading everyone. Perhaps it wasn't aimed at us. By us I mean not just you and me. But all of us.
Yes but that part purchase bid is being touted as some masterstroke which the glazers would really accept.
Wonder if there's trouble sourcing loans when the parent company is already several billions in debt
Happens a lot, media are important in M&A because in reality neither side will actually know each others bids (funny because people argue in here about the amounts of the bids) but in reality I very much doubt what's out in public is accurate.
Each side will be using the media to bluff the other, another consideration is that other major shareholders can sway things and apply pressure, so its a way to get them onside too
Now that Pep is likely going in 2025 - I honestly don’t think we need a Qatari owner to be competitive again.
Shame the alternative is a guy who probably couldn’t win a 2 horse race against Spurs and will no doubt leave some debt on the club whilst struggling to raise funds.
There is a positive about Ratcliffe, it is that this summer he is bringing someone that has a vast Football experience in administrating clubs. For that reason, I don't think that we can make any strong parallel with Nice because Brailsford isn't in charge anymore, it will be JC Blanc who was PSG and before that Juventus COO/CEO.
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