Club Sale | It’s done!

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Pexbo said:
That’s not really a very good analogy though.

A closer analogy would be Arsenal offering £30m now and £30m in 3 years whereas we are offering £58m up front.

Taking FFP into consideration I guarantee Chelsea would take the £58m offer.
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Not really, the future payment will be a minimum of £30m give or take but could be more based on how he does, anywhere from £35m to £60m.

It’s speculation from the Glazers, which carries risk and opportunity, that’s the whole point. They are apparently dithering because they think the club can increase in the future. Ineos are telling them to put their money where their mouth is.
 
Berbaclass said:
It will take considerably longer than a week
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Ineos have seemingly been working with Raine on constructing a deal since they won the 3rd (and 'final') bidding round at the end of April. Safe to assume that they are quite some way down the road towards a deal at this point and Qatar flouncing off tomorrow will likely speed up the conclusion.

There will be some delay before Ineos are actually in control of course, but I'd guess that an announcement that they have won isn't too far away now.
 
Sandikan said:
Perfection is the Glazers disappearing, clearing the debt, making a huge improvement to the stadium and funding us massively with market leading transfers.
Do you think that will be how it pans out?
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Yes I do. SJR is a very smart man and he knows how to be successful. All of the above will be something he has been thinking about.

Getting Dave Brailsford onboard will definitely help as well. I like his methods even though people tend to dislike small details/systems for long term gain. But good systems will help us progress both sporting and financial.
 
Acquire Me said:
Yes I do. SJR is a very smart man and he knows how to be successful. All of the above will be something he has been thinking about.

Getting Dave Brailsford onboard will definitely help as well. I like his methods even though people tend to dislike small details/systems for long term gain. But good systems will help us progress both sporting and financial.
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If you're wrong, you lose all dibs from that Jose ITK thing about 8 years ago.
As long as you're aware of that.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Assume Qatar never got involved, wouldn't SJR be seen as out knight in shinning armour if he does manage wrestles control of the club from the Glazers?
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He would, I think it would also be the case if he was competing against a huge finance/asset management organisation too instead of Qatar.
 
Infra-red said:
Ineos have seemingly been working with Raine on constructing a deal since they won the 3rd (and 'final') bidding round at the end of April. Safe to assume that they are quite some way down the road towards a deal at this point and Qatar flouncing off tomorrow will likely speed up the conclusion.

There will be some delay before Ineos are actually in control of course, but I'd guess that an announcement that they have won isn't too far away now.
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I mean every journalist has said that there is no preferred bidder and they are all annoyed at the lack of feedback but I’m sure you have got this from somewhere legit.
 
greenoffpearson said:
But they could have walked out at any time and said the Glazers were delaying and not serious about selling 100%, etc., and no one would have doubted that having seen it played out.
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At this point, anything is possible.

I rarely find myself being unsure of something I follow so closely but here it's a complete toss-up.

The fundamentals support a full and final sale but the Glazers are just mind-bogglingly annoying people to get rid of.
 
Chief123 said:
This keeps being mentioned and I understand the debt will be under ineos and not Utd. But ultimately that’s just semantics. It’s still the same wallet. It isn’t just SJR buying the club, it’s his company. It has to make business sense to the company as a whole. I just don’t see the freedom in spending as it would be with the Sheikh bid. Not just on transfers which should pay for themselves from revenue. But the actual investment needed in the stadium, training and club as a whole.
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Sir Jim owns INEOS he doesn't answer to anyone.
 
It's getting to a point where the preference for either owner diminishes if United have a abysmal summer transfer. There's already signs to signify a repeat of the loss of momentum when Jose finished second and was unable to get required targets. Rivals strengthen and the team moved further behind, pressure heaps on the manager and there's calls for heads to be rolled if results become volatile. This process is a big factor in this (hopefully) avoidable scenario.
 
Still think it goes to Jassim. If it was that cut and dry, things would have progressed.
 
saivet said:
He would, I think it would also be the case if he was competing against a huge finance/asset management organisation too instead of Qatar.
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This what I thought, when his interest first came about it seemed too good to be true (and unlikley to happen ), but now it could actually be about to happen so many are looking down their nose at it.

I've never been against Qatar, but SJR is still by a million miles a better option than it not happening at all, and could even turn out to be better than the Qatar bid given time.
 
Berbaclass said:
I agree. I also don't buy this 'saving face' argument as people are already laughing at them calling them cheap/broke. It's not really a face-saving exercise to put in another derisory offer.
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I have not understood this argument either. If the Qataris lose out, it seems like the majority will believe the Nine Two Foundation was not backed by the state. I don't see how them losing/backing out would reflect on anyone besides the figure head of this consortium, Sheikh Jassim, who surely would not be heard from again in the football world given what they have said about his support for Manchester United.

Separately, if the Qataris end up winning this, part of me wonders if this has actually been playing out as they wanted all along from a public opinion standpoint.

  • Far more people are now of the belief that the Nine Two Foundation is not state backed. If they are able to convince enough people this is the case, they get to reap the reputational benefits while minimizing the ample baggage that would come with state affiliation.
  • The vehemently "Glazers Out/Full Sale Only" supporters are now entirely in favour the Qatari offer, since Ratcliffe's original offer for 69% would have still meant the Glazers go now. Based on the Financial Times article, the structure they are looking at now is the phased option.
  • The Qataris will not be seen as having overpaid for the club by rival countries, clubs, or the general public. This is critical and sets a precedent for their future dealings. Much better to be viewed as tough negotiators than reckless spenders.
  • A Ratcliffe/Glazer regime has been billed the likely outcome for weeks, much to the agitation of many fans. If the Sheikh pulls it out after the news cycle over the past month, the emotional "high" may let the Qataris get off on an even better foot with the fan base, as opposed to a scenario where they just instantly "blow other bids out of the water." Everyone loves an underdog/comeback story. I have already seen plenty of fans lauding the Sheikh for his perseverance.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
This what I thought, when his interest first came about it seemed too good to be true (and unlikley to happen ), but now it could actually be about to happen so many are looking down their nose at it.

I've never been against Qatar, but SJR is still by a million miles a better option than it not happening at all, and could even turn out to be better than the Qatar bid given time.
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What makes you so confident? The owner is very old and their track record is shit
 
Bocca9978 said:
Always threaten to walk away when negotiating.
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They'd not negotiating. Nobody is even paying attention to them at this point. Raine stopped taking them seriously quite a while back, likely before the 3rd bid so they went directly to the Glazers.... Who hired Raine to deal with this so they didn't have to put up with idiots...

The Glazers didn't reply, Raine aren't interested. They only people they are negotiating with at this point are some clowns on Twitter and half a dozen posters here.
 
JagUTD said:
They'd not negotiating. Nobody is even paying attention to them at this point. Raine stopped taking them seriously quite a while back, likely before the 3rd bid so they went directly to the Glazers.... Who hired Raine to deal with this so they didn't have to put up with idiots...

The Glazers didn't reply, Raine aren't interested. They only people they are negotiating with at this point are some clowns on Twitter and half a dozen posters here.
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Keep telling yourself that
 
INEOS have deactivated comments on their twitter account after messages from our fans to leave the club.
 
Berbaclass said:
It will take considerably longer than a week
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They've been I'm discussions already, probably ironing out the deal so when it's announced that Ineos are the preferred bidder, things can conclude swiftly.
 
Rightnr said:
I'm sure you and the brigade have the Brexit confetti ready.
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Not really. Ofcourse there will celebrations for Glazers losing control of the club but still skeptical of the new owner until they consistently show they are moving the club forward. Unlike you and others supporting the Jassim bid who sound as if they’re ready for a parade celebrate Jassim if he gets the club. and willing and ready to lap up everything they feed as a success even if it might not reflect on the pitch.
 
Berbaclass said:
Keep telling yourself that
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No need to tell myself anything. It's essentially what's been reported, from both neutral and Qatari sources. The Qataris themselves have said their 4th and final bid didn't receive a response...
 
JagUTD said:
No need to tell myself anything. It's essentially what's been reported, from both neutral and Qatari sources. The Qataris themselves have said their 4th and final bid didn't receive a response...
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Show me a single source that states everybody is now ignoring them. I'll wait.
 
Rightnr said:
I'm sure you and the brigade have the Brexit confetti ready.
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Once it's over we can all get back to looking forward and backing United until the very first misplaced pass in preseason at which points we can all demand half the squad is sold and open a "could we be relegated" thread.
 
Strange how Jimmy came out a few months before the sale saying how the glazers are great people and now he’s getting in bed with them.

‘Ratcliffe has previously hailed the Glazers and, last year, insisted they were the 'nicest people'. "Manchester United is owned by the Glazer family whom I have met,” he stated at the time. "I've met Joel and Avram and they are the nicest people, I have to say, they are proper gentlemen.”
 
Escobar said:
What makes you so confident? The owner is very old and their track record is shit
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I'm not confident, and I wouldn't be confident if Jassim took over either, both options would come with a fair degree of skepticism.

The only thing I know for sure is that there is no future with the Glazers, so outsting them is the most important thing right now.
 
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