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croadyman said:
Only way I would accept him is having a u-turn and getting shot of the leeches now
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Seems clear that the Glazers (1) are thinking the same thing as everyone else.

That Ineos (2) and SJ (3) have more cash than they are offering to 1.

(PS instead of 1,2 and 3, please add your moniker of choice.)

Recently it has gone very quiet, save the FT who would have got their info via Raine/ 1, who are clearly trying to throw out a narrative of 2 being close to a deal.

We have had:
A. 2 will offer more
B 2 will keep some of 1 around, love the club see so much upside - will keep up the good work
C 1 had a board meeting, a week ago in NY
D All of the 1's are staying etc
Yet despite this BS nothing has yet happened.

Even the ruthless, beyond belief, NY stockpickers don't know, the share price is just meandering.

2 and 3 know their bids are both very close.

1 wants obviously and always, want more.

2 and 3 are using top level teams, that know each other, and although, not explicitly, they will know that there is no point 2 and 3 both getting mugged. There will be an element of understanding and restraint. That is what they get paid for and that, no doubt, is why 1 is pissed, they are dealing with clever people. 1 gets beaten up every transfer window by even by the smallest club, they have so much previous of being crap. The teams for 2 and 3 do this stuff everyday.



Without doubt 2 and 3 have the same opinion of 1, the same as us, but have to be professional.

1 is probably pissed that 2 and 3 aren't biting.

Probably explains the painfully slow progress.

It's a shame the Finnish guy ,4, is not around he was a little more to the point.

In a knutshell, this will continue until someone breaks.
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
Nah, you help support Brexit and all it’s done to this country, you get labelled for it.

If he’s successful in buying Utd, he will be known as ‘Brexit Jim’, ‘Sir Rat’ etc by Utd and oppo fans alike, I assure you.

So probably best to get used to it tbh.
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Was never a mention of it until Qatar reared its head, infact the majority of those very same people were on their knees awaiting SJR with open mouths.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Yeah, great input big guy.

We don’t know Jassim’s personal take on Qatar’s politics do we? Or do we generalise that every single person in Qatar is on exactly the same page as their government’s worse policies?

Jim Ratcliffe personally went out of his way to help Brexit happen, he didn’t just ‘vote Tory’, he used his influence to help Brexit happen - the single most harmful political move to this country (I’m British) for multiple decades.

If Jassim came out and banned rainbow flags from OT, I wouldn’t follow Utd. If Jassim withdrew support from women’s football, I wouldn’t follow Utd.

I believe passionately that Qatar’s stance on Human Rights and equality should be openly talked about as anyone who read my posts during the World Cup can attest. Posters like @Rood and @Berbaclass will possibly remember that I was disgusted with the censorship and goalpost shifting of FIFA and the Qatar regime.

What bothered me was the lack of open discourse. It didn’t feel like an honest coming together of cultures (due to the OTT, paranoid censorship).

Buying Utd would be a genuine bringing together of cultures, and it would provoke A LOT of conversation on those policies, this isn’t City ffs, this is the big dog of English football.

United is a special club, a deeply special club, and any owner that comes here to be part of the history and give back to the local area - as every fecking owner should do - will find a welcoming fanbase and a culture of inclusion and community. I honestly believe that will be immensely good for both cultures, I really do.

I also believe that people of influence who’ve chosen, specifically, to support dangerous policies on home soil should be held to account, not glossed over.

So yes, I prefer Jassim over Brexit Jim, and I know that’s because I truly believe it’s the best thing for Manchester Utd.

Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I believe.
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Not that I don't agree with the sentiment but it doesn't matter what Jassim is like personally, it's a state bid. You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Look at Saudi buying up everything in Sport. State ownership of multiple clubs in multiple countries is the worse thing that could happen to the game we love. That alone would be bad enough but the fact that these states are autocracies with terrible human rights records makes the whole thing even worse. It's naive in the extreme to think that the purchase of United by Qatar will bring cultures together and persecuted monitorities in over there will be able to live and love freely.
 
Berbaclass said:
You just did
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Everybody knows, including those who voted it (not me) that Brexit is a disaster.

The Qatari ruling caste is far worse.

Personally, I don't want the club owned by anyone, let alone Glazer, Ratcliffe or the Qatari state, but of you are making me choose through the current options, those actually in play, I'd begrudgingly choose Ratcliffe.

I intend to protest ratcliffe the second he is in power, if he gets in, I reckon Qatar's state bid will ultimately triumph and sadly tarnish our club forever.

Nobody is enthused by Ratcliffe past him not being as bad as Qatar's state bid.

This is not in evidence with Qatar's state bid advocates. They are beyond enthusiastic, willing to accuse their detractors of all sorts and indulge the most fantastical false equivalences to cover their conscience. It's clear why, too. They think Qatar's state bid will allow United to buy what they think we are entitled to: everything.
 
Son said:
Maybe so. I voted remain but the road to hell is always paved with good intentions on both sides.


Jim is a self made man. Jassim is an unkown. The Qatar bid actually worries me. Nobody knows anything about the bloke.

I disagree with Jim’s ideas of mixing sporting techniques. Cycling to football etc but then at least he’s got ideas and a plan.

The Shiek talks a good game but nobody knows. It’s murky and uneasy.

Everyone knows Jim’s finances and INEOS. They are quite simply killing it recent years.

Already offering more money on the table than Qatar seemingly can right now. A good indicator of how far someone will back the club in reality.

Qatar could buy us and deem the asset not worth the ROI and pull back spending due to political pressures. Jim won’t have that problem.
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I like your thoughts on the first paragraph, it's hard to say for certain that people are deliberately are having bad intentions or not. What surprised me is a guy like Sir Jim would back it then moved to Monaco and Switzerland (mentioned in the PPP Papers). And threatening to move plants abroad unless tax breaks are given. That last part is not unusual when it comes to billionaires, but backing Brexit just doesn't fit as much.

I can understand the worry about the Qatari bid. But bear in mind that it's the Western media that talks up the issue of him being unknown - most likely due to them not getting any access to both him and financial info on him. But make no mistake, he is not unknown in the region (but not a major player so far and highly private as many high-ranking individuals are) and his father was and still is a major player in the GCC region. A huge chance that they can finance the deal on their own. Not that I'm sure that it being a private bid.

I agree that him talking a good game probably means he needs to up his presence to satisfy the sceptics. Him sending his trusted people for the open day at the club probably was for a good enough reason, but still negative optics.

It's genuinely hard to see who's offering the best deal for the Glazers. If indeed Sir Jim is the one offering most then it's plausible that he wants it more. But his post-purchase PR spin has been a disaster so far though, hence why, in addition to his sub-par resumé in the field (which is highly relevant even if it's not 100% comparable!), many are rightfully sceptical about him being our new owner as well.

If it's actually the state buying us in the end, then ROI and political pressures will be completely irrelevant.
 
Withnail said:
It's naive in the extreme to think that the purchase of United by Qatar will bring cultures together and persecuted monitorities in over there will be able to live and love freely.
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Not only is it naive, it is a deeply offensive and antagonistic viewpoint, designed to trap critics, as though their understandable criticism
of Qatar's ruling caste is the 'real reason why' cultures cannot get on.

I'd expect your detractors are already to the fore, typing in diatribes about 'the west', whataboutery, 'colonial mindset' and wild allegations of 'hypocrisy', all baseless, of course.

(Yep, this has already happened)

Qatar can apply legislation as of right now, this very instant, to improve the lives of these persecuted minorities.

They just won't.
 
People trying to logically work out whether they will time it after the CL final or among some other footballing event are kidding themselves, with transfer business ramping up, they are clearly invested in the going concern of the club and the only thing that will affect their timing is when they have the correct financial offer, clearly we aren't there yet as it would make sense that they already know what they want in an ideal world (A bid that allows them to stay, a price to leave etc) so clearly we aren't there yet, I would focus on the immediate rather than spend any more time here.
 
Just a thought, but if you remove any state that has poor human rights records, (be that at home or abroad in sweatshops for example) poor green credentials or anything that we as a club don't want to be associated with on a 'moral' basis, then who are we left with who would want to own United?

Genuine question. Are we looking at Bezos or Musk? Are they morally acceptable?
 
cheekybackheel said:
Just a thought, but if you remove any state that has poor human rights records, (be that at home or abroad in sweatshops for example) poor green credentials or anything that we as a club don't want to be associated with on a 'moral' basis, then who are we left with who would want to own United?

Genuine question. Are we looking at Bezos or Musk? Are they morally acceptable?
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Not particularly, no.

However, what you posit is this:

As they are all bad (so to speak), does this mean they are all equally bad?

With respect to Ineos versus Qatar's State Bid conundrum, the answer is no, as Ineos are not an autocratic regime capable (not just willing) of systematic human rights abuses to maintain political power.

Indeed, every criticism of Ineos can be said of Qatar's ruling caste.

It's best not to ask questions for disingenuous effect, as though the loaded premises of the supposed query prove the equivalence. They do not. The answer proves this to be false.

Ask me which I prefer and my answer is consistent: neither. But, if I have to choose, I'd begrudgingly suggest Ineos, as they are the lesser of two evils, with the full intention of protesting their rule as I have the Glazers.
 
Messier1994 said:
Here is one thing I object to, "The main point against them seem to be that they want 100% or nothing, which might not be what the Glazers want".

"Everyone" on social media is saying this, but Ineos will also buy all of the Glazers shares. Its very odd that someone would think that Ineos wouldn't buy all of the Glazers shares, why would they want to stay on as minority owners? It seems overwhelmingly likely that Ineos hasn't been prepared to pay what the Glazers wants, and they have comprised with Ineos paying more, but over time. This is also covered by FT, stating "The structure of Ratcliffe’s bid means that he can part with less capital up front." Several independent sources are talking about put- and call options, which is a typical earn-out arrangement. It is very common in M&A, especially in certain sectors.

This is what the FT is saying:
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Is it unclear?

Where is the talk coming from that Ineos wouldn't buy all of the Glazers shares within the coming years? Mark Goldbridge at United Stand? Is he more credible than Financial Times? To be frank, there is just so much pure gibberish out there right now. As a United fan, I just think that is dangerous.
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It is unclear, Nor the process, nor their role, nor how many years, nor clearing the debt under this time, and most importantly not the development to the club. Do you think Jim will develop anything in the club while the parasites sits at the club, absolutely no, he is not going to give them free money, nor they will accept diluting their shares in case he develops anything in the club against their will. There is nothing at all healthy about Jim's partnership with the parasites at all and it will be devastating few years to come.
 
Son said:
Maybe so. I voted remain but the road to hell is always paved with good intentions on both sides.


Jim is a self made man. Jassim is an unkown. The Qatar bid actually worries me. Nobody knows anything about the bloke.

I disagree with Jim’s ideas of mixing sporting techniques. Cycling to football etc but then at least he’s got ideas and a plan.

The Shiek talks a good game but nobody knows. It’s murky and uneasy.

Everyone knows Jim’s finances and INEOS. They are quite simply killing it recent years.

Already offering more money on the table than Qatar seemingly can right now. A good indicator of how far someone will back the club in reality.

Qatar could buy us and deem the asset not worth the ROI and pull back spending due to political pressures. Jim won’t have that problem.
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Yeah I am convinced it's the unknown thing that's also putting off Raine Group from wanting to deal with Jassim. Like others have said if this was a state backed bid why haven't they just blown Ratcliffe out of water yet nevermind just matched offer.
 
As far as I can see Miguel Delaney has deleted his tweet claiming this would be settled once the season is over.

Can we add him to the banned list of journalists please? He’s insufferable and a total bullshitter.
 
The Raine Group's main objective is to get the highest price as their commission will then be bigger....as long as the buyer has the cash to do it and its verified then I dont see what the issue is from the selling side is if they truely want it sold.

What is strange is why everything is taking so long......no updates or any leaks from anyside......all very strange.
 
Pexbo said:
As far as I can see Miguel Delaney has deleted his tweet claiming this would be settled once the season is over.

Can we add him to the banned list of journalists please? He’s insufferable and a total bullshitter.
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Agreed

He's proved he doesn't know anything over years now
 
DevilsOwn said:
If reliable, then hopefully this is the endgame.
Take it or leave it.

Waiting for better sources to confirm
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To be fair Mike Keegan has been pretty much the first when it comes to the takeover news hasn't he?
 
We are lucky that two giants are fighting over us.... Jimmy British Failsworth vs Sheikh Qatari Playdoh Jassim
 
This is worse than the transfer Saga's we have...

The bids are in, they want to bleed the Qataris dry, surely there has to be an end date to this?

We cant keep having improved bids every 4/5 weeks. Other clubs are ahead with their transfers and we will be left to pick up what is left at high prices.. nothing new there.

I can see us going into Pre season with the ownership not sorted, which would mean another wasted season.
 
ha_rooney said:
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If the reports are to be believed. I prefer Jassim's approach to this. He just put in improved bids. So straight forward compared to Jimmy's method of twisting and turning, this addon, that addon... as if he doesnt even want to spend so much money to begin with....
 
Even if true......what kind of process are Raine/Glazers running here.....

It really is appaling the way they are dealing with this....

I cannot for the life of me think that a decision on this has all not been made some time ago - otherwise what has everyone been doing all this time?
 
Clearly has a maximum budget, but Qatar have stuck with this. Though they can't just keep being squeezed so hopefully they do walk away and force the Glazers to make a decision if this bid isn't accepted
 
If this 5th bid is anywhere close to £6B then the Glazers surely accept, good to see Qatar making a stand with the friday deadline against what is blatant greed.
 
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