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united_99 said:
Nice don’t have close to the financial advantage PSG have. I mean one has Neymar, Messi, Mbappe plus a lot of other expensive clowns and the other is Nice.
And again no one is claiming Ratcliffe would win us a treble. Whereas pro Qatar people are convinced everything will be rosy. Honestly whenever I think of PSG I automatically think that’s not how I would like United to be managed (and that started way before we were even for sale).
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You do notice that between 10 and 1 there are other 8 clubs don't you? What is the excuse of not competing with those? What is the excuse of constantly getting relegated in the Swiss league?

If I have to choose among clowns then I'd rather get Neymar, Mbappe and Messi then Ramsay, Barkley, Pepe and Schmeichel. These signing were shoved down in their manager's throat in such a way that he didn't know where Barkley play or how old he is.

The reality is that Ineos is a pound land Qatar and I promise you I'm being generous at Ineos here. You don't see cyclists making audits and choosing people at PSG
 
devilish said:
I am not so sure. Ineos are incompetent owners as shown at Nice and Lausanne. They are basically a dumber but richer version of the Glazers
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Couldnt have put it better myself. Ratcliffe bid has alarm bells shreiking all over it. See what Petit says about him ruining Nice.
 
devilish said:
You do notice that between 10 and 1 there are other 8 clubs don't you? What is the excuse of not competing with those? What is the excuse of constantly getting relegated in the Swiss league?

If I have to choose among clowns then I'd rather get Neymar, Mbappe and Messi then Ramsay, Barkley, Pepe and Schmeichel. These signing were shoved down in their manager's throat in such a way that he didn't know where Barkley play or how old he is.

The reality is that Ineos is a pound land Qatar and I promise you I'm being generous at Ineos here. You don't see cyclists making audits and choosing people at PSG
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Yeah too true
 
wolvored said:
Couldnt have put it better myself. Ratcliffe bid has alarm bells shreiking all over it. See what Petit says about him ruining Nice.
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Our leeches will completely ignore that because they are offering the most overall
 
devilish said:
Meanwhile nice are 10th in the same league qatar has been dominating. They also got lausanne relegated twice
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The funniest argument I hear from Ratcliffe fans is “PSG dominate in a farmers league” but then what does that say about Ratcliffe / INEOS ? They can’t even get top 2/3 in a farmers league and get relegated in a pub league.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Don't give a flying crap. We sell our soul to mask awful rights abusers we will never get it back.

It's actually quite worrying how many people are so willing to accept that just for the chance to win a few oil funded trophies.

If Qatar were a squeaky clean country they wouldn't even be interested in us. Says it all.
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Says feck all. thats your opinion not fact. Nobody knows whether the rich arab countries would buy football clubs, squeaky clean or not.
 
devilish said:
You do notice that between 10 and 1 there are other 8 clubs don't you? What is the excuse of not competing with those? What is the excuse of constantly getting relegated in the Swiss league?

If I have to choose among clowns then I'd rather get Neymar, Mbappe and Messi then Ramsay, Barkley, Pepe and Schmeichel. These signing were shoved down in their manager's throat in such a way that he didn't know where Barkley play or how old he is.

The reality is that Ineos is a pound land Qatar and I promise you I'm being generous at Ineos here. You don't see cyclists making audits and choosing people at PSG
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Well we are United and even the Glazers have managed to attract/buy better players than the ones you listed for Nice. It’s much easier to attract (and pay top money to) players for United or PSG than to Nice or Switzerland.
Bottom line is I don’t see either as perfect owners but am hoping that both will be better than the Glazers and in this case I prefer the bid which will not be state owned.
 
Can someone explain why Girona in Spain (co-owned by City Football Group), Lommel SK in Belgium (majority-owned by City Football Group), ES Troyes in France (majority-owned by City Football Group) and Palermo in Italy (majority-owned by City Football Group) are either bad or average? Troyes are 29 points behind Nice in Ligue 1 and will probably get relegated while Palermo are 9th in Serie B. It seems like Sir Jim is pissing and shitting on the City owners in France.
 
united_99 said:
Well we are United and even the Glazers have managed to attract/buy better players than the ones you listed for Nice. It’s much easier to attract (and pay top money to) players for United or PSG than to Nice or Switzerland.
Bottom line is I don’t see either as perfect owners but am hoping that both will be better than the Glazers and in this case I prefer the bid which will not be state owned.
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Stopped being remotely bothered about state ownership when Premier League allowed Abramovich to buy Chelsea
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Liverpool fans will never accept Qatar, Saudi or any other type of oil money. Their club means more to them than you think. A lot more.

If that's the only way you can compete now consistently then the sport is finished anyway. It's beyond farcical at this point.
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I thought the same about United fans ..
 
devilish said:
Meanwhile nice are 10th in the same league qatar has been dominating. They also got lausanne relegated twice
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Malaga FC, consistent midtable Spanish First Division team, now stuck in the Second Division for 4 years, almost getting relegated to the Third division this year (one place above the relegation zone).
 
Amarsdd said:
Malaga FC, consistent midtable Spanish First Division team, now stuck in the Second Division for 4 years, almost getting relegated to the Third division this year (one place above the relegation zone).
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Malaga aren't owned by jassim, and very likely not by the Qatari state, as its really not that unfeasible for a private businessman to be able to afford them, unlike us. Nice are unquestionably owned by ineos
 
jm99 said:
Malaga aren't owned by jassim, and very likely not by the Qatari state, as its really not that unfeasible for a private businessman to be able to afford them, unlike us. Nice are unquestionably owned by ineos
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:lol:
 
jm99 said:
He bought them for 36m. Are you really suggesting this is impossible without state backing?
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That's not what I'm laughing at. Anyway given Malaga, how can you be sure, another member of Al Thani family or another Qatari ownership would be all of a sudden great?
 
Amarsdd said:
That's not what I'm laughing at. Anyway given Malaga, how can you be sure, another member of Al Thani family or another Qatari ownership would be all of a sudden great?
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Isn't that Al Thani family different to the one interested in United?
 
Amarsdd said:
That's not what I'm laughing at. Anyway given Malaga, how can you be sure, another member of Al Thani family or another Qatari ownership would be all of a sudden great?
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I think the Al thani family has about 2000 members, it doesn't really say anything about the competency of another member of that family if one fails
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Isn't that Al Thani family different to the one interested in United?
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It's the same family but I think there's like 2000 members, it would be like blaming uou for something some distant cousin did, utterly bizarre
 
Amarsdd said:
Yes, but both with no experience of running a football club.
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True, but Ratcliffe's work with other clubs already is still a concern. It's been an abysmal failure for him and some of the reports regarding his ownership isn't great.

That doesn't mean he'd fail at United too necessarily, but there's probably more question marks on his ability.
 
jm99 said:
I think the Al thani family has about 2000 members, it doesn't really say anything about the competency of another member of that family if one fails
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Ok, let me rephrase my question. How are you so sure Jassim would be a great owner given he has no experience?
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
True, but Ratcliffe's work with other clubs already is still a concern. It's been an abysmal failure for him and some of the reports regarding his ownership isn't great.

That doesn't mean he'd fail at United too necessarily, but there's probably more question marks on his ability.
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Ratcliffe isn't going to be running things or the Qatari guy, it's the people they appoint that will matter most IMO
 
Amarsdd said:
Ok, let me rephrase my question. How are you so sure Jassim would be a great owner given he has no experience?
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I feel that jassim most likely has connections to the Qatari state and will bring in loads of financial resources. In his only statement so far he's committed to clearing off the debt, investing in a new stadium and facilities and investing heavily on the pitch as well. Jim committed to none of those things. I'll be happy with anyone who takes over from the Glazers, clears the debt and invests heavily, jassim looks more likely to do that. Mansour had no experience owning a football club, but it turns out having access to tens of billions does quite a lot of the work for you
 
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Red in STL said:
Ratcliffe isn't going to be running things or the Qatari guy, it's the people they appoint that will matter most IMO
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You should read up some of the reports of who Ratcliffe has appointed at the clubs he owns right now. It's concerning and I hope he's learned a lesson.
 
Red in STL said:
Ratcliffe isn't going to be running things or the Qatari guy, it's the people they appoint that will matter most IMO
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We hope. It's not exactly unheard of for an owner to be interfering though. Roman Abramovich's early days springing to mind.
 
DOTA said:
We hope. It's not exactly unheard of for an owner to be interfering though. Roman Abramovich's early days springing to mind.
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That's true but Roman was mostly bored I think, he wasn't exactly doing much in the running of his businesses which I think Ratcliffe does, whomever it is I guess we'll find out
 
jm99 said:
I feel that jassim most likely has connections to the Qatari state and will bring in loads of financial resources. In his only statement so far he's committed to clearing off the debt, investing in a new stadium and facilities and investing heavily on the pitch as well. Jim committed to none of those things. I'll be happy with anyone who takes over from the Glazers, clears the debt and invests heavily, jassim looks more likely to do that. Mansour had no experience owninga football club, but it turns having access to tens of billions does quite a lot of the work for you
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Its all PR until he does it similar to how Jim stated he wants to make United the number one club in the world in his PR statement. INEOS also has enough money to do that and talked about investments, just not put a PR number out. But anyway just throwing financial resources at the problem won't solve it for either of them. Anyway that was not my questioin. My question was, how are you so confident an inexperienced person would run the club well, how are you confident it won't go the way of Malaga instead of Mansour's City (though even their success was dispropotionately low for the amount they spent and the lack of financial competition as is now, till they got Pep)?
 
Amarsdd said:
Its all PR until he does it similar to how Jim stated he wants to make United the number one club in the world in his PR statement. INEOS also has enough money to do that and talked about investments, just not put a PR number out. But anyway just throwing financial resources at the problem won't solve it for either of them. Anyway that was not my questioin. My question was, how are you so confident an inexperienced person would run the club well, how are you confident it won't go the way of Malaga instead of Mansour's City (though even their success was dispropotionately low for the amount they spent and the lack of financial competition as is now, till they got Pep)?
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Shame Ratcliffe still not got round to talking about managing the debt (won't clear it)investment in stadium and training facilities
 
Amarsdd said:
Its all PR until he does it similar to how Jim stated he wants to make United the number one club in the world in his PR statement. INEOS also has enough money to do that and talked about investments, just not put a PR number out. But anyway just throwing financial resources at the problem won't solve it for either of them. Anyway that was not my questioin. My question was, how are you so confident an inexperienced person would run the club well, how are you confident it won't go the way of Malaga instead of Mansour's City (though even their success was dispropotionately low for the amount they spent and the lack of financial competition as is now, till they got Pep)?
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Because in Malaga's case I think it very likely with a 35m purchase price that it wasn't a state backed bid and was likely a private individual, the three state backed purchases of clubs in the top leagues at City, Newcastle and psg have all resulted in massive improvements in a relatively short period of time

Of course I can't be certain how it'll turn out, I'm judging on the balance of probability, as we all are, maybe Qatar will be a disaster, I think its far more likely that it'll be a huge success in a sporting sense
 
jm99 said:
Because in Malaga's case I think it very likely with a 35m purchase price that it wasn't a state backed bid and was likely a private individual, the three state backed purchases of clubs in the top leagues at City, Newcastle and psg have all resulted in massive improvements in a relatively short period of time

Of course I can't be certain how it'll turn out, I'm judging on the balance of probability, as we all are, maybe Qatar will be a disaster, I think its far more likely that it'll be a huge success in a sporting sense
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So did Malaga. They spent a lot and made it to a Champions League Quarter final at one point before it all went horribly wrong.
 
jm99 said:
Because in Malaga's case I think it very likely with a 35m purchase price that it wasn't a state backed bid and was likely a private individual, the three state backed purchases of clubs in the top leagues at City, Newcastle and psg have all resulted in massive improvements in a relatively short period of time

Of course I can't be certain how it'll turn out, I'm judging on the balance of probability, as we all are, maybe Qatar will be a disaster, I think its far more likely that it'll be a huge success in a sporting sense
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Don't think we will get to find out if Qatar would be a success at this club,well unless Jassim finds that extra money of course
 
croadyman said:
Don't think we will get to find out if Qatar would be a success at this club,well unless Jassim finds that extra money of course
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I've got to be honest, if they can't beat ineos to the purchase then it didn't bode well. I assume they will win it tbh, journalists have been full of shit through this whole saga, and are mostly operating from guesswork
 
jm99 said:
I've got to be honest, if they can't beat ineos to the purchase then it didn't bode well. I assume they will win it tbh, journalists have been full of shit through this whole saga, and are mostly operating from guesswork
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But then again, Qatar can't win if Avram and Joel want to stick around. We've been told it's full ownership or nothing for the Qataris
 
jm99 said:
Because in Malaga's case I think it very likely with a 35m purchase price that it wasn't a state backed bid and was likely a private individual, the three state backed purchases of clubs in the top leagues at City, Newcastle and psg have all resulted in massive improvements in a relatively short period of time

Of course I can't be certain how it'll turn out, I'm judging on the balance of probability, as we all are, maybe Qatar will be a disaster, I think its far more likely that it'll be a huge success in a sporting sense
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Of the three you mentioned, I'd only consider City a definite success. Newcastle its barely been a year and PSG more of a default success in the French league; you have to have done something seriously wrong if you can't win the league every year having a wage bill 10x the second highest and transfer spend similar factor vs the whole league combined. Do you really thing PSG will have the same success or even a tenth of it being run like that in this PL?

Anyway, so being state backed/having financial resources would basically mean they can hire the best people to run the club? Why can't Jim do that as well? I'm sure he has learnt some lessons at a level of club similar to Malaga i.e. Nice (completely different level than United) and was already lining up Paul Mitchell (can't say I know much about him but supposedly highly touted).

btw don't mind me picking your brain. I'm just trying to get my head around people here talking about how Qatari ownership would be 100% success whereas SJR ownership a 100% failure.
 
MDFC Manager said:
But then again, Qatar can't win if Avram and Joel want to stick around. We've been told it's full ownership or nothing for the Qataris
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This idea that Joel and avi desperately want to stick around is ridiculous. If they still had control then yeah maybe, but why would they want to stick around with a minority stake. Because then its just the same as any other investment, except football clubs typically don't have the same kind of returns as just sticking it in an investment fund, particularly when the club is already being valued at 6bn dollars, does anyone really think this club is ever going to be worth 10bn dollars plus? Because that's the kind of value we'd need to reach for staying on for even 5 years to be worthwhile
 
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