Club Sale | It’s done!

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JagUTD said:
The reported rate the Qataris increase their bids, were a year to 18 months off their £6bn offer.
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Doubt it. About a week I would say. It will be more like 5.9 to save face on both sides.
 
Most are saying that SJR's bid is higher then Jassim's
 
Different in terms of why he had to sell, but he didn't just focus on how he could get every last pound for himself.
 
fjred said:
Doubt it. About a week I would say. It will be more like 5.9 to save face on both sides.
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They've increased their offer by about £100million since round 2. Can't see them offering an additional £1bn suddenly. I do wonder if £5bn is their ceiling tbh.
 
IRONTUSK said:
All the reports of SJR being front runner seem plausible which has spurred Sheikh Jassim to increase his offer.
I think with this new offer it looks very likely Jassim will be the winner...
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Qatar's new offer is still less than the Ineos offer. True, Qatar have closed £600m of the reported £800m gap, but the Ineos bid is still the biggest one on the table.

The caveat is that it is rather difficult to be certain about the veracity of the reported figures.
 
JagUTD said:
They've increased their offer by about £100million since round 2. Can't see them offering an additional £1bn suddenly. I do wonder if £5bn is their ceiling tbh.
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We don't know the exact figures from either bidder and we don't know the finer details involved. I mean why would we, they've signed NDA's. Everyone is stating their opinions as facts based off very vague news and speculation
 
This will still be rumbling on into next year. Such an undignified process and the Glazers don’t care.
 
AlPistacho said:
But one thing I’m not understanding. Why do people assume payment from Ratcliffe to the glazers will come in instalments?

If his bid is accepted and he gets the loans. The glazers whose shares be buys out get paid. Avran and Joel who he aligns with don’t sell anything so don’t. If, very big if, they decide to sell in 2 years then they get paid.
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I've seen it said a few times but no one has provided a source to back it up
 
pocco said:
That's how I understand it. But the pro-Jassim lot seem to want to pretend the SJR offer for 69% doesn't exist because it's a problem for them.
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There hasn't been reports of a difference in valuation between SJR's 51% and 69% offer and I just don't see how he wouldn't be willing to offer 69% with the same valuation if that's what it takes for him to buy the club.
 
This whole thread is ridiculous, whilst we all rip each other character to shreds over which one of us is bigger bag of shite for supporting either bid. Folk on here are being derided for this or that political stance or persuasion. This is a fan forums about football and shouldn't be for activists one way or other. There is plenty of avaiiable band width for all that elsewhere on the internet. The simple and only thing all of us have to grasp is whilst we tear stripes of each other this has no effect whatsoever on the truth. The truth is the Glazers will sell to whoever they want for whatever they want. Time to accept that and move on as I have accepted this transfer window will have no effect just now whether the club is sold or not.
 
It's rightly been mentioned that the pledged investment doesn't really matter to the Glazers but if the two brothers stay on in some capacity then it may well be of some interest, depending on the various timescales.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
We don't know the exact figures from either bidder and we don't know the finer details involved. I mean why would we, they've signed NDA's. Everyone is stating their opinions as facts based off very vague news and speculation
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Obviously I am going off reports. I just can't be arsed putting a disclaimer on every post.

The reports are better than some of the sources for some opinions in here though, which mostly consists of feelings, bro trust and worst of all, random Twitter accounts.
 
saivet said:
It's rightly been mentioned that the pledged investment doesn't really matter to the Glazers but if the two brothers stay on in some capacity then it may well be of some interest, depending on the various timescales.
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Yes, but there are 0 reports of Qatar offering the 2 bastards to stay on...if the whole family is out then they won't give a single feck about what happens to the club afterwards.
 
saivet said:
It's rightly been mentioned that the pledged investment doesn't really matter to the Glazers but if the two brothers stay on in some capacity then it may well be of some interest, depending on the various timescales.
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That would require the Qataris offering them a minority stake similar to Ratcliffe.

Which would be a knife in the back of the "full sale only" crowd.
 
Rojofiam said:
Yes, but there are 0 reports of Qatar offering the 2 bastards to stay on...if the whole family is out then they won't give a single feck about what happens to the club afterwards.
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They should offer 80% and lock in a buy option for the remaining 20% in two years time just to get this done.
The glazers would absolutely care about the additional investment pledge in this scenario.
 
Rojofiam said:
Yes, but there are 0 reports of Qatar offering the 2 bastards to stay on...if the whole family is out then they won't give a single feck about what happens to the club afterwards.
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Correct but wonder what the details are for Ineos' offer to keep them on board. If they're not committing to much in the first few years then the idea of them staying on might be an unnecessary risk. Equally if they have assurances on something maybe they will want to stick around.

Nothing has been reported on Ineos' pledged investment but would imagine those discussions would have taken place if the two brothers stay.
 
HarryP said:
That's not proper reporting, which in my view is sticking to the facts and interpreting + communicating them in an impartial manner.

What he did last night was share facts but also subjective personal views. It's ok for an opinion columnist or analyst, but a reporter? It was a bit unprofessional even if you agree with what he said.
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I agree on one level, but at the same time (subjective and extremely biased opinion coming up) the Glazers are such parasitic cretins that they hardly deserve any professional courtesy. At this point I want the media to behave like a baying mob and hound them out.

No violence, but lots of noise and lots of pressure.

Marcelinho87 said:
All he is doing is protecting Sky's interests - The Glazers stand for the ESL which Sky is against so they use frontmen like Kaveh to push against it.
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I’m totally fine with that. The Glazers out would be such a big win for the club that Sky can keep the rights for the rest of my life for all I care, if that was a trade off.

Ciddy said:
Couldn't agree more having watched it this morning. Spoken like a true red tbh.
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This man gets it.
 
IRONTUSK said:
All the reports of SJR being front runner seem plausible which has spurred Sheikh Jassim to increase his offer.
I think with this new offer it looks very likely Jassim will be the winner...
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SJR could increase his offer as well right? Why would only Jassim increase his offer?
 
What’s the betting SJ has also offered the parasites some very lucrative future business opportunities in Qatar on top of their bid. The weasel looked very excited coming out of that hotel!
 
AlPistacho said:
But one thing I’m not understanding. Why do people assume payment from Ratcliffe to the glazers will come in instalments?

If his bid is accepted and he gets the loans. The glazers whose shares be buys out get paid. Avran and Joel who he aligns with don’t sell anything so don’t. If, very big if, they decide to sell in 2 years then they get paid.
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You have answered your own question in paragraph 2
 
Amsterdam Devil said:
SJR could increase his offer as well right? Why would only Jassim increase his offer?
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Very true I guess he may well do...this is exactly why it`s dragging on for so long as the Glazers want every extra penny they can get.
At some point though surely Jassim & SJR will say ok that`s it this is my final offer...you`d have to hope they are close to that point now after 3-4 offers!
 
Blackbeard said:
What’s the betting SJ has also offered the parasites some very lucrative future business opportunities in Qatar on top of their bid. The weasel looked very excited coming out of that hotel!
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Probably. Very early on there were reports of the Qataris offering the opportunity for Tampa to play in Qatar.
 
Blackbeard said:
What’s the betting SJ has also offered the parasites some very lucrative future business opportunities in Qatar on top of their bid. The weasel looked very excited coming out of that hotel!
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100%. Think it was discussed a few week back that this was a possibility.
 
IRONTUSK said:
Very true I guess he may well do...this is exactly why it`s dragging on for so long as the Glazers want every extra penny they can get.
At some point though surely Jassim & SJR will say ok that`s it this is my final offer...you`d have to hope they are close to that point now after 3-4 offers!
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Apparently Jassim is already at that point and his is a take it or leave it offer
 
Mickeza said:
If I’m buying a house I don’t tell the seller my bid includes 25k worth of renovation work. The Qataris saying they’ve bid 7 billion dollars with a PS of it including a billion for the community is just bizarre. It is completely irrelevant to the process.
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Is this house an entertainment organisation followed by hundreds if millions if loyal supporters if the house? Comparing oranges to apples. Off course it is important. A sale on this scale has the government ears and they would make sure Qatar wins the bid so 1b investment is guaranteed into the local community unlike the bluffer Jim who always backtrack on his promises.
 
devilish said:
Most are saying that SJR's bid is higher then Jassim's
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Jassim is offering to buy the club outright for 5.4 mil or whatever the offer is. Sir Jim Glazer is offering 3 bil for 50%, which values the club at 6 bil. So he is offering less, but for less of the company, increasing it's value on paper.
 
JagUTD said:
They've increased their offer by about £100million since round 2. Can't see them offering an additional £1bn suddenly. I do wonder if £5bn is their ceiling tbh.
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We don't know. From what has been read it has been increased from an initial 5 to 5.5. To the Qataris a further half billion would be little problem. Imo, it is now all about face saving. The Glazers want 6 to buy them all out. We're getting there.

The Glazers would then blame potentially missing a transfer window on the buyers. (and couldn't give a sh*t, anyway) Their position is quite simple. Give us the amount stated and we're gone. Jim Ratcliffe has little room for further manouvre. The Qataris have.
 
Rooney24 said:
Apparently Jassim is already at that point and his is a take it or leave it offer
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well their 3rd round bid was also reported as a take it or leave it offer, so who know how many take it or leave it offers are more to come from both.
 
fjred said:
We don't know. From what has been read it has been increased from an initial 5 to 5.5. To the Qataris a further half billion would be little problem. Imo, it is now all about face saving. The Glazers want 6 to buy them all out. We're getting there.

The Glazers would then blame potentially missing a transfer window on the buyers. (and couldn't give a sh*t, anyway) Their position is quite simple. Give us the amount stated and we're gone. Jim Ratcliffe has little room for further manouvre. The Qataris have.
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£5.5bn? Based on reports they are nowhere near that. Still below £5bn, but edging closer to that figure.
 
Doesn't this all seem pointless when we know that Joel and Avram are desperate to stay and only one offer gives them that option? This is all a charade until the 7th Glazer, Sir Jim Glazer, is unveiled.
 
fjred said:
We don't know. From what has been read it has been increased from an initial 5 to 5.5. To the Qataris a further half billion would be little problem. Imo, it is now all about face saving. The Glazers want 6 to buy them all out. We're getting there.

The Glazers would then blame potentially missing a transfer window on the buyers. (and couldn't give a sh*t, anyway) Their position is quite simple. Give us the amount stated and we're gone. Jim Ratcliffe has little room for further manouvre. The Qataris have.
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What is your thought process behind this? He has offered more, so has not needed to 'manouvre'. But why do you think he couldn't increase his offer for 69% by another £100-200m and end this?

Amarsdd said:
well their 3rd round bid was also reported as a take it or leave it offer, so who know how many take it or leave it offers are more to come from both.
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Yeah they've not proven to be very good negotiators so far. We've heard twice now of take it or leave it offers, we've heard that they 'won't be held to ransom' etc. Yet they're still offering more money and still not beating the SJR valuation of the club.
 
saivet said:
I've seen it said a few times but no one has provided a source to back it up
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Yeah. When something is purchased on finance or mortgage etc the seller still gets paid the price outright. A payment plan is something else. The talk about instalments needs to be backed up with something other than Joel and Avram getting paid 2-3 years later because that’s a separate deal and not related to the financing
 
Whatever happens, I can't see how we avoid this upcoming transfer window being massively underwhelming. I just don't think we're going to be in a very competitive position. Can also see us ending up with Martial as our first choice striker again due to current market valuations.
 
Nobody can be sure unless they're actually involved in the deal, but I can imagine the SJR offer for 51% values the shares at more than the SJR offer for 69% does seeing as it'd still be less money upfront to pay and the remaining siblings are unlikely to use their options to sell immediately.

Could something like this be why his offer wasn't accepted and why SJ wouldn't make a new bid that is still apparently lower than the SJR one? In my head that's the only way the new SJ bid makes sense as it's not like the Glazers care about the debt being paid or a fund for investment being included.

So my theory would have the 3 bids ranked in terms of overall club valuation as follows. Though the 51% bid whilst valuing the club the highest would be the smallest in actual upfront cash value.

SJR 51%
SJ 69%
SJR 69%

Obviously just a creation from my brain, but surely the new SJ bid just doesn't make sense otherwise?
 
Amsterdam Devil said:
We have heard that before a couple of times. No one knows anything.
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agreed. At the end of the day the only thing we do know is the Glazers are in full control of the process. Despite past deadlines if they call another round of bidding that’s how it will go until someone eventually pulls out.

It’s all in their hands.
 
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