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It’s really weird and confusing to say you support lgbtq+ people and rights when your solution is to protest against them when they take over the club rather than not have them take over the club at all.
Yes but we can “use the force” to make them understand we are not happy with their morals but we do crave their money.
Russia does all of that
You keep saying Qatar has "killed" as if they are going around shooting migrants. I am sure there have been accidents but your connotation is not that here.
Will you call JR a "killer" if there was any fatality in any of the Ineos operations?
You will all have a giant hug after all this is over won't you?
To be honest I am not worried about that one bit, they are incompetent but they were not actively going about destroying United intentionally. If they are interest is anchored on growth of the asset and hence their shareholding then them having some say may not be such a bad thing at all cause I don't see them vetoing a deal whereby INEOS wants to put half a billion into the club for stadium renovations, for example or them nixing a deal for Osimhen when they sanctioned huge deals for the likes of Pogba, Antony and Maguire.
They are turning down about £500m or more, they are obviously the two Glazer siblings most attached to the club and hopefully under a new majority ownership and with their disinterested siblings gone then it's possible that their involvement could be positive. Let's remember that the aggregate totals they have authorized to be spent on players were eyewatering and enough to propel a PL or CL challenge had they been directed. Maybe I am too much of a naive optimist but I am not heartbroken that they are staying, I am glad they won't be in control anymore because clearly they can't afford to take the club to the next level.
About them having a say, let me say this, Jim won't give them much and it's always good to have diverging viewpoints. I was on these forums when we brought in thee likes of LVG, Mourinho and Pogba. There was overwhelming support for such moves but don't we all wish that within the Glazer circle there was an adult in the room that thought differently and spoke out? Maybe, just maybe, the two pigs will be that divergent voice in the INEOS circle.
"The needs of the many (United fans wanting to see Neymar at Old Trafford) outweigh the needs of the few (LGBT supporters to feel like they belong at the club they've followed all their life)."I can just see Spock saying that to Kirk when discussing why the Qatari bid is best. It’s totally what that saying means
Am i bad person for not wanting my child to be gay or lesbian? That doesnt mean im against anyone else doing what they want & have the freedom to do as they wish.
Constructive.
You’re right, I didn’t blame all the problems in England on Brexit though so glad we agree.
Only fools take a comment out of context, add words the person never used then argue against something that isn’t being said. Do better.
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I stopped reading here because I said what I mean. . .
If I thought he was racist, not that I know or care. I would state it.
Im not getting into an argument over sHR being a racist cause I don’t have one. Above covers my views on it. He was complicit.
Yes. They do. Deplorable. I wouldn’t want them anywhere near United.
Please tell me this is sarcasm...
Sorry, let me clarify, they haven’t shot anyone. Instead they hire immigrants, pay them obscenely low wages (it at all), make them work in horrendous conditions with no health and safety considerations and then when they die butcher the death certificates so the remaining families get nothing.
fecking hellYeah, but those supporters are getting in the way of the mans ability to wank over his fantasy United lineup.
A banner will do the trick, clearly! Why didn’t we think of that sooner?!!
A lot of talk about the Glazers being parasites, which is true. The irony is that this thread's descent into chaos follows a similar narrative to the film Parasite.
Yep.
Yes.
So what exactly would you do if they were?
People are going crazy today ffs. One is being ignorant as hell and now you. We are living in 2023 and who cares who people love? My children and yours are exactly the same ones homosexual or straight or whatever term they would like to define as.
I was not aware of the death certificates thing. You have any articles around it?
Btw the work and safety conditions are also because it is not a first world country. Many third world countries are the same because they are still not there in terms of setting the standards required. You have to understand if there's continuous improvement to these or not. Expecting everyone, irrespective of which state of development they are, to be like Europe or US is completely wrong.
Well maybe they should sort that out before they worry about buying football teams.
I find it startling how people who have been directly impacted by Brexit cannot realise that the final accounts of the effects of Brexit, be it a success or failure, are not due within a year or two after its implementation. Maybe these people you are so baffled about just understands that you need to give it 20-30 years before you can say anything with any sort of validity?
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What you need to understand is they may not be completely stupid, but neither is Ineos. If Ineos pumps in half a billion for stadium upgrades then since it is a public company, they will do so either through bank loans, inter company loans or through new shares issue. Assuming you say it is the last one (as the other two puts more debt on the club), then it would mean dilution of shares of other share holders who are not putting up the money.
Do you think the Glazers would allow their investment to be diluted when increasing the stadium capacity or improving certain facilities is not going to have a major impact on the per share value itself. Unless they are absolutely certainly getting a fixed premium for their current shares holding irrespective of how much dilution happens (highly unlikely from even a legal standpoint), why would they be comfortable with Ineos doing something like this.
That is where it starts getting tricky. We will have no idea on how the new holding is structured and what's the details regarding getting the other Glazers completely out of the club until the deal is signed and delivered. We could be getting screwed but we won't know until it is too late.
Would that make the deal go faster? If yes I'm in.
Is this a joke?
We’re human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands! But we can stop it. We can admit that we’re killers . . . but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill — today!”
- Captain James T Kirk.
It's because we don't live in a perfect utopia. You think there's no unemployment, homelessness or poor health insurance options in all the developed countries before they lend money to other countries? No country says "let's solve all our internal issues before we open up to international investments", no matter which state of development they are in.
I would like to think the club are still working with their summer plans regardless of the uncertainty. I assume the only change no matter who wins would be an increase in transfer budget, but the club are going after their preferred targets anyway?
Are you saying you think they're buying the club to milk us for money?
Just to add: some consider race as a social construct of identification within society (or culture; government, education etc etc). While your argument seems well meaning, that, framed along with no evidence that Jassims bid is a Qatar state bid makes the post questionable.
There's always the potential change of the football structure, and it's unclear how would that impact the summer. The wise thing to do for any new owner obviously would be to go with the current plan.
You’re shifting the goal posts.
You asked whether Qatar was a “better” country than Russia.
In the current climate that’s at best a tone deaf question.
Whether either of them, or the Abu Dhabi’s and Saudi Arabia’s of the world should be permitted to own clubs is an entirely separate question.
That said 70% of the world seems to think Russia shouldn’t be involved but the others are ok…
That's good. Make sure you don't label him as one, or suspected one, again.
Complicit? What political decisions did he execute? As far as I am aware, he shared his opinions on a subject in a supposedly democratic country. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. Seriosuly, some remainers are so incredibly bitter for what happened. It was not personal and it's long time to move on from it. Good or bad, it has been implented and there are plenty of countries in the world that are not part of the EU but still very good. In fact, plenty of them are doing better than many countries within the EU so I am sure that there's a bright future ahead for the UK if you give it some time.
What does them being gay or lesbian mean to you? Why are you concerned about it?
I have two kids and their sexual orientation will be of no importance to me at all.
So you can understand someone preferring Qatar over Russia (just like I would if someone prefered the opposite). It's not an outrageous take
They aren't any better.
Both parties throw bombs in the ME and destabilize 3rd world countries.
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