Let’s hope we get some news about the sale asap or even better some sort of confirmation of who it will be. This thread is killing the life out of everyone 
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Oh dear
I think Qatar are “better“ than Russia. I don’t want either of them. To say one isn’t acceptable and the other isn’t is mind boggling to me though.
I think he means being a supporter of LGBT rights is a choice.
I have a better and more practical solution. How about our government boycott inward/outward investment and products from such countries? That should make them change the working conditions of migrant workers when trade dries up and the Sheikhs' lifestyles take a downward trend.
Then again with such policies we in the UK would lose thousands of jobs and families would suffer massively. The migrant workers would lose their jobs and would need to go back to their countries of origin and suffer similar consequences.
Can you see where I'm going with this?
I would love that,
I think I'd only be concerned because I'm aware how gay people are treated on society even today.
Summer. Feck off
I think folk should stop at simply not wanting state ownership. The moralistic debates are tiresome and often hypocritical.
Flaming Norah!
Go try and explain that to the thousands of families employed directly or indirectly by such nations. Typing and talking are cheap. The reality of life is somewhat different.
Not really.
Sorry "Nou camp 99", you're right, glories aren't that important. What does your username refer to again?
Dragging on and on and causing disruption regardless of the club’s summer plans is just such a Glazer move. They don’t care, they just want top dollar. Hopefully this is their last dick around of the club.
I've dealt with that shit all my life. Hopefully they are resilient individuals regardless of their identity.
How come you're OK with him owning us when he did business with the Saudi state less than a year after the khalshoggi murder? Was he struggling for cash or something and had no choice, or did he just want a bit more money to stick on the pile? It's funny that you'll criticise people on here for saying anything mildly supportive of Qatar, but turn a blind eye to Jim doing business with a regime that's probably a fair bit worse
I don’t like that he did that and find it horrendous. Doesn’t make him a very good person at all.
Or we might be owned by a guy who thinks profits are more important than the rights of gay people or the murder of journalists. That's the guy that you've been telling all and sundry for months is the moral choice
I don't think anyone, anywhere on here has ever claimed that.
But you'll still support the club if Jim buys it? Even though it means we're owned by a guy who thinks a bit of extra profit is more important than gay rights or the murder of journalists?
But you'll also tell people that if they continue to support a Qatar owned United that they value trophies more than gay rights?
You don't see the cognitive dissonance here?
Quote me where I said that.
Nou camp 99 yesterday said that he'd rather have Jim a local lad who lives the club over a sportswashing regime. Neglecting to mention that Jim would happily do business with any regime and profit from blood money to male himself a bit more money.
He and Wumminator have also tried to act morally superior to everyone else, saying that if they want Qatar they value trophies more than gay rights. While supporting the bid of a man who values profits more than gay rights.
To be fair, just because 2 options are shitty doesn't mean one can't be significantly more shitty.
Well you're calling it an investment, that implies an attempt to make money, doesn't it?
No. I don’t see the dissonance at all. Genuinely. I don’t think a lot of people do to be fair.
Do I wish that capitalism didn’t encourage businesses to work with abhorrent regimes? Yes.
Do I see United being owned by a nation with deplorable laws different from a businessman doing business with a deplorable regime? Yes.
In the same way I’d be happy for United to have sponsorship deals with certain companies but not being owned by them.
That is something I think about too. My kids are young now and don’t have to think about stuff like that. They might never have to think about it either, but if they do, I hope the world is better than today.
My cousin is today a proud gay man and living a perfectly normal life. But he had a shit life in his early teens and adulthood. Not because family did not support him, but rather because the society around him did not. That made him hate himself.
Well, enough about this, but I really can’t stand the ignorance and the disgusting opinions floating around.
Spot on
We actually have a third choice though, which is keep the Glazers, shitty owners but not as morally compromised as the others, part of this is probably becusse they arent as rich and dont have the opportunity to be as normally awful, but given that the sanctimonious squad on here don't seem to be advocatingfor the Glazers to stay, it seems they are happy to compromise their morals for trophies, while chastising others for the same thing
I would happily keep the Glazers over Qatar.
What an absolutely asinine point you are trying to make.
Jim absolutely had the choice not to business with Saudi Arabia. You tell people on here that supporting Qatar means you value trophies over gay rights. While supporting a man who does billions of dollars of business with a regime that's worse. You've got the option of keeping the Glazers, less morally compromised than the alternatives, shouldn't you be advocating for them? Unless you'd rather be owned by a guy who happily deal with counties that don't want gay people to exist if it means a few more trophies?
It's totally accurate, you can't criticise our fans for wanting Qatari owners then turn a blind eye to a guy who does billions of dollars of business with Saudi Arabia
Highly illogical
Likewise. My only aspiration for them both is that they are happy, healthy and have somebody to love them like I do when I’m no longer around.
Manchester United under INEOS ownership would have greater wealth backing it up than Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool.
They wouldn't have oil state money but there's only so much you can spend in football anyway due to FFP, so it's largely a moot point. With regards investment after purchase, SJR actually pledged £1.75 billion of additional investment (pledging investment was a requirement of that bid, he doesn't need to forward plans for Utd in this bidding process). Interesting enough, it's reported that Jassim only pledged £0.8b of further investment into Utd (again, this wasn't a requirement).
It's actually crazy that so many of you think Ratcliffe is going to seize control of the club without making substantial investments on a grand scale. He is literally a dream option and far preferable to Qatari ownership and all the baggage that'd entail.
They wouldn't have oil state money but there's only so much you can spend in football anyway due to FFP, so it's largely a moot point. With regards investment after purchase, SJR actually pledged £1.75 billion of additional investment (pledging investment was a requirement of that bid, he doesn't need to forward plans for Utd in this bidding process). Interesting enough, it's reported that Jassim only pledged £0.8b of further investment into Utd (again, this wasn't a requirement).
It's actually crazy that so many of you think Ratcliffe is going to seize control of the club without making substantial investments on a grand scale. He is literally a dream option and far preferable to Qatari ownership and all the baggage that'd entail.
Yes. He had that option. I wish he would have taken it.
Doing business with x is not the same as being x. I would rather someone who works with x than being owned by x. X here is a corrupt nation state that has cost lives.
Hence, one is morally more unacceptable.
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