Simple really.
Calling others hypocrites is rich when he followed the club whose owners' ill-gotten financial gains and political views aligned with Putin.
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Calling others hypocrites is rich when he followed the club whose owners' ill-gotten financial gains and political views aligned with Putin.
It's the fact there are big issues with both. I just want what we are starting to build be added to. I am worried both parties might just rip it to pieces again. Also who ever buys us we will be in the headlines for the wrong reasons. Jim buys us and wait for Greenpeace etc to then starting protesting. It is us between the devil and the deep, not so blue, sea.
Do you really need it explained why "the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" is a ridiculous thing to quote here? Beside the fact that it isn't a hard fact handed down by the Gods, rather a quote from Star Trek as far as my quick google tells me?
And that then followed up with the next part...it makes you out to be a dickhead, to be fair.
Sultan - do you not think it’s hypocritical to criticise a Chelsea fan for aligning with Russia but being happy for a Qatari state to take over United?
Do you think Qatar are a “better” country?
What racist thing did he say in regards to Brexit?
Get a grip on reality.
We are all using the resources provided by these companies and countries. Until the world has better alternatives we need the likes of Qatar and Ineos.
Being tolerant goes both way.
Sick of hearing about Ineos does this, Qatar does that like we should all live a Utopia and everyone should be perfect.
This is the real world folks. You don’t like it, close the door on the way out.
This is the real world folks. You don’t like it, close the door on the way out.
The constant circus at PSG is alarming. Qatar might not be the silver bullet pro-Qatar posters think they are
Hang on - why are you aiming that at me and not the constant people who have posted “greenwashing” posts against INEOS?
What does that mean?
Suspect him wanting Brexit was business related, but then to move your businesses to countries under EU rules and regulations and then move yourself to a tax exile was an odd one.
being perfect living in utopia where gay people are allowed to exist and women have the same rights as men.
Probably that the poster has a different opinion to others which is actually allowed. This thread is full of differing opinions and disagreements
Is that circus because they had to raise that clubs profile where ours is already up there? They had to bring big names in. This is a genuine question not my opinion.
There's more to supporting a football club than that to many people.
Maybe not to those that jumped on the glory bandwagon of the 90's and 00's there isn't.
Not really that simple. Asking again: what relevance does that have to ME agreeing with his point, which is (to me at least) an entirely valid one? Just because it's a Chelsea fan making the point it doesn't make it invalid.
Also, say what you will about Chelsea but they were never state owned, so it's a weird comparison.
You do know Qatar won’t be enforcing that in Manchester I presume? - Their country, their rules. Would I like to live there?, absolutely not but I’m sick of other countries telling everyone else how they should be run.
“Intolerance works both ways” means “having a different opinion to others”
very odd way of saying that.
You do realise the club you support will be owned by a country that values women as less than men.That doesn’t allow gay people. That would be taking over a club to mitigate the criticism of these points?
I am happy to tell any country that doesn’t view gay people as valid how to run. As it is the moral thing to do.
I’m not saying they’d have a lot of say once they are minority shareholders, I’m saying they will likely have veto over material decisions (major transfers, potentially manager changes, capital expenditures), which is normal in this situation in any business context. How much is down to negotiation but to think they will be silent partners is naive I think.
He lives in London. Maybe he doesn't want to travel 400miles for every home game.
I'm sure there's plenty of fans on here who have been watching other teams especially since our fanbase is international.
And he's been to more Utd games than Jassim has I'm sure so that argument is about as strong as a chocolate teapot.
Comparying a nation state to a company is a false equivalence. States make laws that effect populations companies do not. Undoubtably there is some xenophobia and that needs to be acknowledged but to claim that all criticism comes from there is, quite frankly, disgusting. You seem to be confusing the idea of the Qatari rulers owning United and the Qatari people. It is the Qatari rulers that most object to. We don't want United's name associated with them.
The US government is not trying to buy United so any discussion about them is irrelevant. Absolutely sick of this whole argument. If people want to compartmentalise and ignore the moral issues, fine. But stop using bullshit arguments to undermine those that don't. That's sportwashing in effect. If the majority of Qatar supporters said that if the bid was accepted they'd be happy but would continue to highlight problems it would at least be a little more palatable.
That might be it or its just the strategy they prefer. Amassing superstars to flex their insane wealth and bragging rights.
This.
I said Brexit is rooted in racism, which for a majority of the country it was & the poster is asking for sJR doing a Braverman. I’d call it wilful ignorance but I’ve seen this play on this forum too many times. He chose to profit off a culture war, can’t say many wouldn’t if they could but let’s not act like he didn’t was my point.
Racism isn’t only things people say @TheLoveless , if you’d like to discuss Brexit there’s a thread in another forum.
But what's happening at Nice, with Brexit Jim and Bradley Wiggins' favourite roid peddler ( allegedly, of course ) fills you with confidence?
What a load of bollocks
Wow.
There may not have been, in which case, fair enough. But I find it difficult to believe.
Glazers have run their race and the club was only going to decrease in value under their stewardship. I’m convinced that they’ve known all along they need to sell and Ratcliffe could have easily dug his feels in. Feels like he’s taken the easy option to gazump Qatar
(didn’t realise this was you again before I quoted it, seems we’re a bit disagreeable my little pickle)
I feel differently. There can now be no reset. No “ fecking hell reds, they were shit weren’t they? Sorry you had to go through that, but I’m here now and things are going to be better…”
He has to keep them happy and keep on their good side and even possibly take their advice on certain things.
It’s shit
The main reason I wanted the Qataris is the beautiful thobes they'd probably make compulsory to wear at OT 
I’d love Qatar to buy Spurs. Would be fun to see them pump in billions and still be Spursy. They’d be as successful as PSG
This sale period really seems to be dividing the fanbase.
There are pros, but a hell of a lot of cons, for both bids on the table. It's why I can't really get behind either, nor get particularly excited about the future.
Becoming a bit apathetic to it all to be honest, which is worrying.
There are pros, but a hell of a lot of cons, for both bids on the table. It's why I can't really get behind either, nor get particularly excited about the future.
Becoming a bit apathetic to it all to be honest, which is worrying.
Because you need to stand up for what is right and discrimination never is. There would be no progress, no innovation, no advancement if all decisions are made based on majority opinions. That’s populism.
I am pro Qatar bid though. There are concerns but I do feel that it’s hypocritical for the British govt to engage with them, get funding from them, and then us drawing the line when it comes to owning United.
Cultural change takes time and every person has skeletons in their closet. If they do not bring their biases and discrimination to England or indulge in acts that are against our values, I don’t see the reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to own a football club.
But I totally disagree with what you said. LGBT rights need awareness and protection, not apathy because they aren’t the majority.
It’s clearly not the defining reason why Qatar is or isn’t taking over. That would be whoever offers the best deal to the Glazers. Obviously. By your logic you can also feck off if you don’t like the new owner?
The LGBTQ issue is one of so many issues with Qatar I’m not sure why you’re even bothering to focus solely on that.
Finally, I’m not sure why I’m even bothering at this point…looking past the fact that your equating a car choice to someone’s sexuality, You choose to own a diesel car, you choose to drive into London. Someone doesn’t choose to be gay.
What’s that gotta do with me?
Fair enough. I think a lot of this is just 'agree to disagree' stuff, as we don't have the full picture so we're all guessing to greater or lesser extents. My chief desire for Ratcliffe's bid to be successful isn't rooted in a real desire for him as an owner, as such, but simply as preferable to being state owned.
Compare where PSG were before and after the Qataris. Their success cannot be denied and they could the PSG experience as a learning curve, as costly as it is.I’d love Qatar to buy Spurs. Would be fun to see them pump in billions and still be Spursy. They’d be as successful as PSG
I don't understand why people think it's a given that either QSI/Ineos will reproduce at Man Utd, what they did at previous clubs. That implies the people at the head are idiots following the same methods.
Man, that would be a bit drafty up in the North Stand.The main reason I wanted the Qataris is the beautiful thobes they'd probably make compulsory to wear at OT
If I recall correctly he called those in favour of a Qatar takeover hypocrites. I replied saying he needs to look at his own backyard.
Yes, I do think Qatar is a better country than Russia. If you think otherwise I think you need to give your head a wobble.
In brief.
I can produce videos of Russian gangs going around beating gays with the mandate of the authorities. Check out their views on LGBTQ at the WC held in Russia. If you're comparing pollution then Russia is on another level to Qatar with their production of gas, oil and coal.
Qatar has not invaded another country and killed thousands of innocents in Afghanistan and Ukraine to name a few. Russia has been openly supporting pariah states and terrorists for many decades.
I fully understand if you don't want Qatar or a Qatari to not be the owners of the club. A modicum of realism is required in your posts.
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