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I have always hated the idea of United being state owned but in case Qatar if they don’t get us go for Liverpool/Spurs then we are basically dealing with 3 nation states plus Chelsea. Arsenal also have a good young core & a quality manager. We haven’t had a title challenge for over 10 years and in terms of club infrastructure we are probably the worst amongst the big clubs.
Not sure what to make of INEOS but after all these years of wanting Glazers out this sale process seems a bit deflating in itself
 
Pickle85 said:
I think it's unknown at the mo but one would assume (I know what they say about assumptions!) that he'd look to buy them out eventually given that initially he was looking for a full sale too apparently. And totally agree re the final point.
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You yourself are assuming what the future holds.

PS: Agreeing with a Chelsea fan whose owner adores Putin and stole the country's money is verging on the insane.
 
Ted Lasso said:
You're entitled to feel that way.

I see Ratcliff ownership based on Britishness to be way too similar to Sir Alex's decision to go with Moyes as manager. Likewise, many fans' preference to a British manager versus a foreign one.

I appreciate that football is England's game and clubs like Manchester United, have begrudgingly (to locals) become global sporting brands. So I understand wanting to keep it as local as possible but think it's incredibly detrimental to the health and success of United in the long run.

I would much prefer to keep the club competitive until the FA instates stricter mandates on fielding English players for example.

I also think the anti-Qatari state discussion is rooted in racism and nationalism. I can't quote five posters here who have that opinion that didn't watch the World Cup let alone friends and acquaintances in real life. It's a lot of hypocrisy and covering up of xenophobic sentiment. Either that or willing ignorance of the atrocities committed by the likes of the United States. As a proud American I'm also ashamed of what we've done over the last 20 years since 9/11 let alone our entire history as a nation. Most recently with immigration, police brutality, white supremacy, Guantanamo before that, the financial terrorism creating a billionaire oligarchy, and so on. Is Qatar in some sort of different moral stratosphere than the US or England to me? I can only laugh at that.

The moral compass argument is complete bull sht but y'all are welcome to feel so. Just please don't shove it down the throats of others or belittle them for not feeling the same about it.
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Good post.
 
Wumminator said:
Yeah - this sounds awesome to me.
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It genuinely is scary tbh. We are also I think now reaching the stage where we can’t just say that hey we would be ok if we had competent owners. I don’t think that man United can now go into sponsor discussions and kind of boss things around anymore.
 
Wumminator said:
Hang on. Isn’t this his point. You can’t be criticising someone for having Abromovic and then be okay with Qatar surely?
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Abramovic is a Pariah. Take it up with the British government if you think Qataris and a Russian whose one of the closest allies with Putin should be treated in equal measures. Qatar is already a massive trade partner with the UK.
 
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It's not right.

Ineos has 3 board members. That constitutes a quorum on a board of 5.
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NO, please refer to the share sale prospectus lodged with the NYSE, https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549107/000104746912007537/a2210287zf-1a.htm, - a quorum is 67% of the voting rights, where did you pick up this 5 members, etc, from?

To summarise SJR will need to rely on the Glazers to get things done, therefore there will be a deal. What is that deal?
 
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Nou_Camp99 said:
I choose incredibly rich English business man who happens to be from Greater Manchester and is a United fan over being a Political and sportswashing tool for a abhorrent regime in the ME any day of the week. Not even a contest.

If Qatar weren't in the picture your stance on Jim would be oh so different too and you know it.
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You forgot to mention Chelsea season ticket holding, attempting to buy them as well & pro-Brexit’ier which was rooted in racism. This constant portrayal of sJR as ‘good’ is pathetic.

Why is it impossible for many of you to be anti-Qatar & also realistic about sJR, I don’t think many want State ownership but sJR certainly isn’t some knight riding in on his horse, there are 2 flawed options on the table.

If Qatar weren’t in the picture you’re right many peoples stance on ‘Jim’ would be different, because it would be harder to be so wilfully ignorant about his questionable past. Once again, 2 flawed options.
 
bosnian_red said:
Is it "they don't know what they're doing" or is it "more of the same as usual"? Just a quick search on Lausanne and it doesn't show any change from before takeover. More or less same as normal. Same with Nice. United is a completely different beast, different reasons for him taking over and different potentials, finances, etc. It's not really comparable.
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You’d think Nice would be an ‘easy’ project though. After 4 years of ownership they can’t break into the Champions League places in France? That’s piss poor those clubs just under PSG should be caught with a multi billionaire owner

Lens and Marseille are currently in the CL spots it’s embarrassing for them as owners. They’re currently battling Clermont Foot for a top half place in the league
 
Pickle85 said:
As i said below, the Apple comparison was a facetious one designed to make the point that just because shareholders have a stake in a company doesn't mean they'll have significant decision making rights. Won't happen because Ratcliffe, a pretty shrewd businessman, wouldn't cede significant control of a company he's just spent billions on to its previous owners. That would make precisely zero sense. At the moment folks like you and the 'full sale or nothing' brigade are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If SJR is the way to make the glazers relinquish control of the club and keep it out of state ownership, I'm all in.
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But that’s where you’re wrong, he’s not ceding control because he has no control at the moment. It’s the other way around, the Glazers own the club and it’s how much they are willing to give up on a sale, Ratcliffe will dance to their tune if he wants the club otherwise they won’t sell. If I were the glazers I would ask for veto rights over significant matters and that isn’t unusual at all in this scenario (in any context, ignore that it’s a football club).

Which goes to the point I’m making, I understand you want the glazers out of control even if it means Ratcliffe only buys majority, but I really don’t think the Glazers will simply step aside and have no say. From what I’ve read Joel and Avram are still keen on the club and project and they aren’t just going to remain silent especially if they have a significant stake left in the club.

Edit: and just to add, there must be a reason why Ratcliffes bid is appealing to the Glazers, and it’s precisely because they can continue to be involved in running the club, otherwise why not just tell the bidders it’s a full sale and up your bids please.
 
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ArmaDino said:
Regardless of how this whole transfer saga plays out, for us fans one thing should be clear: we now know why it takes so long for our transfers to be completed.

According to reports, the Glazers like to sign off and weigh in into every bid we make.

If this ownership saga is anything to go by, then no wonder we are so slow in the transfer market.
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I thought that was already known?
Here's a passage from an Athletic article about them from 2020:

In the beginning, some staff suspected the Glazers “decided everything around the family dining table” — a view established when
Darcie’s husband Joel Kassewitz attended board meetings, and fuelled further after Kevin Glazer was given the job of updating the
club website from its 2005 version despite never showing any interest in United. There was talk of getting Microsoft or Apple
involved but it didn’t change until 2018. In the same period, Manchester City had upgraded theirs on four separate occasions.

That outlook is why multiple sources say the Glazers have, from the start, wanted the final say on “every little detail” but that their
decisions often move glacially.
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And here's a quote from a source within the club about them:

The Glazers micro-manage everything. That’s why it all takes so long to sign players or offer new contracts. It’s no coincidence
numerous players have got down to the final year of their deals. It goes from Matt to Ed to Joel to Ed to Matt. It’s excruciating.
And in that time, Liverpool have signed a player.”
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Wumminator said:
Hang on. Isn’t this his point. You can’t be criticising someone for having Abromovic and then be okay with Qatar surely?
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I simply don't have any power to choose the owners. I'm too weak when it comes to following United. I won't pretend to be of moral high standing when it comes to following a club since being a toddler. This is my simplistic view. Obviously, we are all different. One thing I won't do is call others hypocrites for their differing opinions on ownership.
 
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I don’t know what’s going to happen if Ratcliffe won this battle but if there is positivity I can bring it up is that we will have Nice as our feeding club that can help us. We can buy their players in a cheap price or send our young players on loan to give them top tier competition football or let Nice buy young player that we reluctant to buy due to not able to give them minutes like caicedo then we buy them later with cheap price.
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Aaron Ramsey at long last.
 
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Wumminator said:
The MUFC LGBT supporters club have come out against this. As have Human rights organisations.
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So are millions of Man United fans all over the world supposed to go against the Qataris simply because a mere handful of LGBT fans don't like it?

What's the old saying..the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

If the Qataris take over and the LGBT community doesn't like it then stop supporting United. Quite simple really.
eamonhi said:
In Tory Britain, one can remove the government via referendum. In Qatar, you will be prosecuted for attempting to remove the government. Peacefully, too.

Stop playing innocent and stop with the false equivalences.

If you support Qatar, you are wholly complicit in their style of politic. Manchester (compli)city style.
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And if you support Sir Jim then you are wholly complicit in polluting the planet.

Works both ways you see.
 
Morality champions. Leave the real trophies for our rivals to sweep up.
 
eamonhi said:
In Tory Britain, one can remove the government via referendum. In Qatar, you will be prosecuted for attempting to remove the government. Peacefully, too.

Stop playing innocent and stop with the false equivalences.

If you support Qatar, you are wholly complicit in their style of politic. Manchester (compli)city style.
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By that logic every american is a war criminal terrorist supporter and brits are basically equivalent of nazi lovers given their body count. As the parties and the monarchy who oversaw those acts are in hail and hearty in those countries.
 
croadyman said:
Ah well the Qatar bid never had a chance once Ratcliffe got into bed with those leeches. Just when we thought the pain of these last 18 years might be ending.

I naively thought Jassim would do whatever it took in order to win this race,honestly didn't think Qatar would want to suffer the humiliation of losing to Ratcliffe but sadly I was wrong.
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tenpoless said:
Its the only way he can win if he is up against someone who will always outbid him.
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In what world do you think the Glazers wouldn't prefer the option that gives them more money? The Qatari bid clearly isn't better.
 
The whole 'preferred bidder' thing has been going on a bit now. Almost as if it's a subtle hint at a buyer who the Glazers know could afford to chuck a few hundred million or more their way if they felt they were behind in the contest.
 
cheekybackheel said:
So are millions of Man United fans all over the world supposed to go against the Qataris simply because a mere handful of LGBT fans don't like it?

What's the old saying..the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

If the Qataris take over and the LGBT community doesn't like it then stop supporting United. Quite simple really.


And if you support Sir Jim then you are wholly complicit in polluting the planet.

Works both ways you see.
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Newbies really are the worst.
 
Sultan said:
You yourself are assuming what the future holds.

PS: Agreeing with a Chelsea fan whose owner adores Putin and stole the country's money is verging on the insane.
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I'm agreeing with the his point. What relevance does the fact that he's a Chelsea fan have?
 
cheekybackheel said:
So are millions of Man United fans all over the world supposed to go against the Qataris simply because a mere handful of LGBT fans don't like it?

What's the old saying..the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

If the Qataris take over and the LGBT community doesn't like it then stop supporting United. Quite simple really.


And if you support Sir Jim then you are wholly complicit in polluting the planet.

Works both ways you see.
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One of the worst posts ive ever read on here, actually really disgusting.
 
I get the moral arguments and for that I do prefer it to be Ratcliffe if I had to pick. But it will be Glazer rebooted. Large borrowing for that it's naive to be think the club is not going to spend many, many years paying back.
 
redNATION said:
But that’s where you’re wrong, he’s not ceding control because he has no control at the moment. It’s the other way around, the Glazers own the club and it’s how much they are willing to give up on a sale, Ratcliffe will dance to their tune if he wants the club otherwise they won’t sell. If I were the glazers I would ask for veto rights over significant matters and that isn’t unusual at all in this scenario (in any context, ignore that it’s a football club).

Which goes to the point I’m making, I understand you want the glazers out of control even if it means Ratcliffe only buys majority, but I really don’t think the Glazers will simply step aside and have no say. From what I’ve read Joel and Avram are still keen on the club and project and they aren’t just going to remain silent especially if they have a significant stake left in the club.

Edit: and just to add, there must be a reason why Ratcliffes bid is appealing to the Glazers, and it’s precisely because they can continue to be involved in running the club, otherwise why not just tell the bidders it’s a full sale and up your bids please.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the amount of say the glazers would have in this situation. You seem to think they'd have a lot, I disagree.

As to the bolded point, the reason that the Ratcliffe bid is appealing to the Glazers is not because they can be involved in the running of the club but because they foresee the club becoming more and more valuable so anticipate cashing out for bigger money further down the line. As for 'why not tell the bidders it's a full sale and up your bids please' - that's not how things work. The club is worth as much as buyers value it. Just because the glazers tell them to up their bids doesn't mean they'll automatically go 'oh yeah sure no worries' and chuck them an extra couple of billion.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
How true. God I am finding all this very despressing.
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Qatar’s crimes are abhorrent and cruel but unfortunately people don’t put as much emphasis on the severity of environmental crimes because they don’t feel as tangible. Yes it’s depressing. I just don’t think people should paint Jim as some saint to humanity. He prioritises his own greed over environmental welfare.
 
cheekybackheel said:
So are millions of Man United fans all over the world supposed to go against the Qataris simply because a mere handful of LGBT fans don't like it?

What's the old saying..the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

If the Qataris take over and the LGBT community doesn't like it then stop supporting United. Quite simple really.


And if you support Sir Jim then you are wholly complicit in polluting the planet.

Works both ways you see.
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This is such an awful post
 
This club would be doing so much better if it had owners who brought in knowleddgable people to run it and let the club spend all the money it made for transfers and facilities instead of taking dividends. Those two should be the bare mininum for the new owners. Otherwise... nothing will improve.

I used to laugh at City when they brought in Txixi, thinking money and Txixi (who joined for money) will never make them Barcelona. But it works, now they are better than Barcelona and had periods where they played like prime Barcelona.
 
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Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Newbies really are the worst.
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You're mistaking forum newbie with life newbie. That's the trouble when you're young, you're still learning. Don't worry, you'll get there.

My point stands for anyone. Just because the LGBT community have a 'title' it doesn't automatically give them the right to be considered as the defining reason why Qataris can't take over. They have a choice, no ones forcing them to support United if they feel that strongly about it, they can simply say 'I don't agree with the owners therefore I no longer support the club'. That would be them standing up for the beliefs.

Or they can still choose to support the club and make their feeling known as time goes on. It's their choice.

But make no mistake, just because they don't like it, doesn't mean that the millions of United fans around the world who do support the Qataris have to go along with that view to.

I own a diesel car, I don't like the fact that every time I drive into London I get clobbered for Ulez. But that's my choice. I don't expect every Londoner to cancel their clean air campaign just because I own a diesel. I have a choice, I can either change my car or I can put up with it.
 
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