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Qatar is going to buy Liverpool and do and spend everything it can to kick United’s ass just to embarrass ratcliffe and the glazers. Its gonna be fun watching City and Pool dominate the league and compete for champions league titles while we continue to struggle to make the top 4. Oh well, at least we still have our dignity…dignity is fun…hooray dignity.
 
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TrebleChamp99 said:
Big daddy Jim walked into Old Trafford and took the tour he wasn’t overly interested and made a b line to the Raine group holding offices.

As he strided in he was seen unzipping as he walked as he reached the desk of the surprised associate a look of shock and confusion came over their face a loud THUD and slap was heard , it silenced the busy room as workers and assistants paused and stared in disbelief.

Sir Jim with a smirk on his face and an air confidence with his head tilted down cradling his engorged swollen beast of a member , the table audibly creaked it was resting on and on leg of it seemed to buckle slightly.

He looks up at the assistant at the end of the table and says “I assume we have a deal…”

Slings his coat over his shoulder and walks out.

That’s why Jassim has gone so silent. He was never in the race.
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I’ll never understand the cafs obsession with other men’s penises.
Seek help :wenger:
 
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Rocksy said:
Come on, I very much doubt that the deal (if it happens) will be Ratcliffe buying 51+%, not knowing about the A/B shares, and then the Glazers tell him “your shares ain’t worth shit”.
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My understanding is that when the Glazers sell their shares they become class A shares, ie only hold normal voting rights.

Therefore if the Glazers even retained 6% class B shares then they would still hold control.

So all the shares will need to be converted to class A shares.

Then SJR can own 51% and the Glazers, say 17%, and the rest on the NY stock exchange (as they are now).

However SJR will still need the Glazers onboard because you need 75% to hold a quorum . A quorum is when the board can make structural changes to a club.

Therefore there will need to be some sort of continuing deal between SJR and the Glazers.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Big daddy Jim walked into Old Trafford and took the tour he wasn’t overly interested and made a b line to the Raine group holding offices.

As he strided in he was seen unzipping as he walked as he reached the desk of the surprised associate a look of shock and confusion came over their face a loud THUD and slap was heard , it silenced the busy room as workers and assistants paused and stared in disbelief.

Sir Jim with a smirk on his face and an air confidence with his head tilted down cradling his engorged swollen beast of a member , the table audibly creaked it was resting on and on leg of it seemed to buckle slightly.

He looks up at the assistant at the end of the table and says “I assume we have a deal…”

Slings his coat over his shoulder and walks out.

That’s why Jassim has gone so silent. He was never in the race.
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That’s quite an imagination you’ve got there
 
yamo123x said:
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but crucially, shares in the club are divided into Class A and Class B stocks. The Glazers still own all the Class B shares, which carry 10 times the voting rights of Class A ones. So even if Sir Jim buys 50% and Glazers retain 20%, the Glazers will still have the majority voting rights at the club.

This needs to be a full sale, we need Glazers out of this club once and for all, sadly they wont allow this to happen and continue to hold all the aces.
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Yes it’s been pointed out already. And no doubt that clause will be removed if the sale to SJR goes ahead. Hence it’s irrelevant. SJR isn’t stupid enough to buy something without having ownership rights.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Big daddy Jim walked into Old Trafford and took the tour he wasn’t overly interested and made a b line to the Raine group holding offices.

As he strided in he was seen unzipping as he walked as he reached the desk of the surprised associate a look of shock and confusion came over their face a loud THUD and slap was heard , it silenced the busy room as workers and assistants paused and stared in disbelief.

Sir Jim with a smirk on his face and an air confidence with his head tilted down cradling his engorged swollen beast of a member , the table audibly creaked it was resting on and on leg of it seemed to buckle slightly.

He looks up at the assistant at the end of the table and says “I assume we have a deal…”

Slings his coat over his shoulder and walks out.

That’s why Jassim has gone so silent. He was never in the race.
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iu
 
What I don’t understand is how most are so cautious and unsure of the INEOS bid, and mistrusting and questioning everything about it (rightly so) but are so totally convinced that everything will be amazing under the Qatar bid and are in no way suspicious, inquisitive or weary of a group we know nothing about. Why aren’t more questions being asked?
 
Still waiting for the QATARI 2 hr update....

Does anyone actually know what's going on are we still going round in circles arguing over whether SJR or SJBHAT is the better option?
 
Plant0x84 said:
What I don’t understand is how most are so cautious and unsure of the INEOS bid, and mistrusting and questioning everything about it (rightly so) but are so totally convinced that everything will be amazing under the Qatar bid and are in no way suspicious, inquisitive or weary of a group we know nothing about. Why aren’t more questions being asked?
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Some of us are, but the thing is there isnt much to question given how much is unknown (which is worrying in itself)
I dont know how many feel the same but I am not convinced either of them is an idea choice, and its somewhat annoying that simply being critical of Jim Rattcliffe is somehow being translated in to being a fan of Qatar on here, when it couldnt be further form the truth in my case.
 
devilish said:
I already answered to a similar argument to that. Abu Dhabi owned a shitload of clubs. A big chunk of them are doing exceptionally well like for example Man City, Mumbai City FC, and Melbourne City. Some are doing fairly well like New York FC while some are struggling. At Girona they only own a minority share of 44.3% btw so you can't really blame them on that. For the record I believe that they are better owners then Qatar and far better then INEOS who seem cursing every football club they touch

They still have a far better record then INEOS were they are pretty shit at every football club they own.
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The same City that literally cheated their way to success are used as some type of barometer of how to run a club? JFC

Wild how some are perfectly fine with United selling it’s soul for a financial cheat code, when not too long ago nothing they did counted.
 
Plant0x84 said:
What I don’t understand is how most are so cautious and unsure of the INEOS bid, and mistrusting and questioning everything about it (rightly so) but are so totally convinced that everything will be amazing under the Qatar bid and are in no way suspicious, inquisitive or weary of a group we know nothing about. Why aren’t more questions being asked?
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They want to be like City. Only explanation
 
surely theres one outcome thats palatable for the fans, and its no more involvement of the glazers. if they are still involved, then obviously depending on results, the (new) owners will have a very little grace period before things get toxic...so then why would anyone countenance getting involved with them. unless the potential profits outweigh any of the possible toxicity, which is how many hedge / vulture funds work. utterly dispassionate, all about the numbers. which in a time of sugar daddy / state sponsored clubs, doesnt give us much of a chance.
 
The year is 2030, global warming has ravaged the world as the global fascist order takes power but worse still trillionaires Liverpool take on fellow trillionaires Manchester City in the champions league final for the fifth time in a row.

Meanwhile, Manchester United face AFC Wimbledon in a league 2 relegation scrap.
 
Plant0x84 said:
What I don’t understand is how most are so cautious and unsure of the INEOS bid, and mistrusting and questioning everything about it (rightly so) but are so totally convinced that everything will be amazing under the Qatar bid and are in no way suspicious, inquisitive or weary of a group we know nothing about. Why aren’t more questions being asked?
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because Qatar has more money, there is nothing more to it
 
Plant0x84 said:
What I don’t understand is how most are so cautious and unsure of the INEOS bid, and mistrusting and questioning everything about it (rightly so) but are so totally convinced that everything will be amazing under the Qatar bid and are in no way suspicious, inquisitive or weary of a group we know nothing about. Why aren’t more questions being asked?
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Dollar bills yall!

It's like no one has learned anything over the past 30 years every bad owner ever has said the right things prior to buying a club, no one has ever come in and gone "yeah am just gonna feck everything up from the get go", a few vague words about sorting out the stadium etc and everyone is giddy and a few vague words that didn't mention it makes everyone sceptical, no one knows what's gonna happen but the meltdowns in this thread over the past 24 hours from what I suppose are grown men and women are very funny to read and the fact they've based these meltdowns on a vague one paragraph statement from each party is again very weird.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Do you plot your whole life in such negative fashion?

Imagine bleating on this much over a fantasy you dreamed up.
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Actually im a very positive person, always have been. I've dealt with a lot of crap in life and career so try to be upbeat despite that.

And as for a 'fantasy I dreamed up' you couldn't be further from the truth. In my previous job I was a Profiler for over 30yrs, worked for governments, military and business. I put together briefs for various corporations around the world on human behaviour. When you've done it as long as I have you can see patterns and predict actions.

What's your experience?
 
Plant0x84 said:
What I don’t understand is how most are so cautious and unsure of the INEOS bid, and mistrusting and questioning everything about it (rightly so) but are so totally convinced that everything will be amazing under the Qatar bid and are in no way suspicious, inquisitive or weary of a group we know nothing about. Why aren’t more questions being asked?
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In all honesty, even though I’m pro Qatar bid, it’s not because I want some rich Arab to come and buy us Mbappe. It’s simply because the Qatar financial model gives more hope and light for the future. Even if it’s not on lavish signings. At least there’s no restrictions or limitations with regards to upgrading the infrastructure, stadium, training ground etc and not being burdened with debt when it comes to every aspect of the club.

Yes we know SJR has declared he will take the debt off Utd and onto INEOs. However, debt is still debt whichever entity it’s attached to. Ultimately it’s the same wallet and same people. If the acquisition of the club is going to be under debt, then no doubt any investment into stadium etc is going to be under debt too. I just don’t see how one party which is exercising every expenditure with massive debt already on the books is able to invest as freely as a party which is debt free and has no limitations in spending power. People can argue ineos has huge turnover and profits, but that doesn’t reflect through to the proposal being put forward to buy the club. If the club was being acquired debt free, I’d be fully behind whichever of the two parties won. But the proposal just doesn’t sound that great with regards to a prosperous future.
 
Chief123 said:
In all honesty, even though I’m pro Qatar bid, it’s not because I want some rich Arab to come and buy us Mbappe. It’s simply because the Qatar financial model gives more hope and light for the future. Even if it’s not on lavish signings. At least there’s no restrictions or limitations with regards to upgrading the infrastructure, stadium, training ground etc and not being burdened with debt when it comes to every aspect of the club.

Yes we know SJR has declared he will take the debt off Utd and onto INEOs. However, debt is still debt whichever entity it’s attached to. Ultimately it’s the same wallet and same people. If the acquisition of the club is going to be under debt, then no doubt any investment into stadium etc is going to be under debt too. I just don’t see how one party which is exercising every expenditure with massive debt already on the books is able to invest as freely as a party which is debt free and has no limitations in spending power. People can argue ineos has huge turnover and profits, but that doesn’t reflect through to the proposal being put forward to buy the club. If the club was being acquired debt free, I’d be fully behind whichever of the two parties won. But the proposal just doesn’t sound that great with regards to a prosperous future.
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There you go.
 
MackRobinson said:
The same City that literally cheated their way to success are used as some type of barometer of how to run a club? JFC

Wild how some are perfectly fine with United selling it’s soul for a financial cheat code, when not too long ago nothing they did counted.
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Can you please list all the trophies ineos led clubs had ever won?
 
Berbaclass said:
Yes I agree. If Ratcliffe takes over then Qatar probably weren't really serious.
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Yes, they went through this process for jokes? :confused:

Just because they have a lot of money and would likely invest in the future doesn’t mean they’ll pay silly money for the club or commit to arrangements that doesn’t give them full ownership. I don’t get how you guys reach these “if they lose, they weren’t serious” conclusions.
 
TsuWave said:
Yes, they went through this process for jokes? :confused:

Just because they have a lot of money and would likely invest in the future doesn’t mean they’ll pay silly money for the club or commit to arrangements that doesn’t give them full ownership. I don’t get how you guys reach these “if they lose, they weren’t serious” conclusions.
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Mostly because their PR has said they'll blow other bids out of the water, and have talked about putting in another 2+ billion after purchase, but yet have continually lowballed their bid for the club.
 
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