100% with you, but a point I was trying to make that I wasn't able to make clear is that Qatar don't need United for sport washing and Human rights, it's more of a prestigious entity like UAE has City and Saudi owns Newcastle it's a competition between them. I really do hope Jim wins the bid without the Glazers being involved.
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100% with you, but a point I was trying to make that I wasn't able to make clear is that Qatar don't need United for sport washing and Human rights, it's more of a prestigious entity like UAE has City and Saudi owns Newcastle it's a competition between them. I really do hope Jim wins the bid without the Glazers being involved.
But Saudi are using Newcastle for sports-washing, so are the UAE with City - they both have awful human rights records too, and their football ownership os part of broad efforts to re-brand themselves. Like you, I would much rather see the Glazers completely out of the club - but i'll happily take a minority Glazer ownership over being owned by any nation state. Hell, I'd prefer to see the Glazers just not sell if the only alternative is state ownership
I think someone mentioned that the majority owner would want to invest in the club once they own the 20 per cent as otherwise they would be inflating the value needed to pay off the Glazers. Not sure if that’s practical but would not be a good situation to be in.
I agree with this bolded bit however I’ve now realised how critical having good owners really is after the experience of the Glazers and watching other clubs be well run.
I am not convinced that Saudi and UAE are sport washing with owning Newcastle and City (if my understanding of the term is correct) both are countries that many people visit from all over the place, live there, and even invest there money in, have huge presence on the global stage and has diplomatic ties with every country in the world, for them it's a flex more than trying to make people see them in a better light.
I just want an owner to invest the generated money back into the club properly, and get rid of bad debt, if it's Jim, Qatar, or anyone else I will be happy.
It get worse for you because I still have Qatar as favourites to win.Either in full, or it's possible the good people of Redcafe will have convinced them a couple of remaining Glazers is insignificant so they switch tactics and copy Rat's bid, but beat it.
How does this sports washing work? All I see is it highlights issues within those individual countries, doesn’t make it go away nor cover it up!
You have no clue what you're talking about. If Joel and Avram kept their B status shares they could keep control with just 9.1% of the shares.
And why the feck would anyone buy a football for five billion quid and allow someone else to control the club?
Exactly - no idea what some fans are thinking
Todays the day, I can feel it!
No one would ever do such a thing. I would say obviously, but apparently it's not obvious to a handful of people. The mind boggles
Yes some sort of guaranteed dividend is a possibility, but how much could INEOS afford to give them financially and more importantly from a PR perspective.
I think Joel and Avram believe that the ESL falling apart means they are leaving money on the table and their hand is being somewhat forced by circumstance like COVID costs (it’s mostly their incompetence of course).
I feel like they are looking for some form of compensation for that but it’s hard to see how they really get it by staying on for a few years as minority shareholders, it still seems like more of a threat/bluff to drive the price up.
I think you are correct about this.
Ineos buy Oil and gas and turn it into other chemicals, not exactly the same as pulling it out of the ground.
But let's also ignore the other questionable ways the Qatari's make their wealth off the backs of the poor.
As I've said, I'd still rather have them over spineless Sir Jim and the Glazers being allowed to stay.
Calm down, no idea why you're so hostile and childish.
Either in full, or it's possible the good people of Redcafe will have convinced them a couple of remaining Glazers is insignificant so they switch tactics and copy Rat's bid, but beat it.
Hopefully that's as accurate as the rest you've said.
Either in full, or it's possible the good people of Redcafe will have convinced them a couple of remaining Glazers is insignificant so they switch tactics and copy Rat's bid, but beat it.
I agree its just gone too quiet on the Qatar bid. Something's happening in the background.
People still want Qatar after that Messi shitshow? Sigh.
What after he didn’t turn up to training?
Big day tomorrow.
Indeed
The spending part I agree with. However, having deeper resources can help more.
The whole thing is fuelled by the animosity between Qatar and the Saudis though. Imagine being owned by a fecking country like that.
Is today a joke to you?
PSG lets players do what they want, it’s a shit show.
Punishes a player for fecking off to another country without permission while missing training..still a shit show?
Exactly. No one at fault but Messi here. PSG well within their rights to suspend him.
Yeah - the fact he's going in with a 51% stake says everything.
I don’t really get the sport washing angle and how it’s been decided that is definitely the aim of the Qatar bid. Maybe people from Qatar actually like football and have so much money that owning the biggest club in the world would be fun to them.
Best post on here. Buying one or hundred and one clubs wouldnt change a thing how an individual thought about a country. I dont think the Qataris even think this way. Its like a rich man buying a top of the range Range Rover or 10 bedroom house with indoor swimming pool, depending on how rich he is . Its just a status symbol.
My take is that Joel and Avram Glazer will sell their shares together with the other siblings because it make most sense from the sellers point of view. Any other scenario involves too much financial risk taking.
Making a deal where two of the Glazer siblings stays will be too complicated from both a legal and a financial standpoint and both involved parties would be fools to be part in such a deal without having a majority control of the voting shares. That’s why a partnership who’s involving any Glazer siblings is highly unlikely.
The recent silence from all the bidders and the Raine Groups representatives indicates that this’s still an ongoing auction.
A sensible seller would normally prefer the bid with most cash on the table, especially when they’re unpopular among their customers and have just witnessed social media protests and supporters walking on the streets with banners saying GlazersOut.
Making a deal where two of the Glazer siblings stays will be too complicated from both a legal and a financial standpoint and both involved parties would be fools to be part in such a deal without having a majority control of the voting shares. That’s why a partnership who’s involving any Glazer siblings is highly unlikely.
The recent silence from all the bidders and the Raine Groups representatives indicates that this’s still an ongoing auction.
A sensible seller would normally prefer the bid with most cash on the table, especially when they’re unpopular among their customers and have just witnessed social media protests and supporters walking on the streets with banners saying GlazersOut.
Boehly destroyed Chelsea's football structure upon arriving at the club. And he's destabilised the football side of the club by sacking Tuchel and various other key players on the structural side of the club.
File that with “Doping in football? It’s not going to help you to control the ball, is it?
the sportswashing is working well then I see
Fair enough I didn’t realise people in the Middle East couldn’t like football and want to own a football club for fun. My bad.
I think it'd be fun to own a football club but for some reason the government isn't giving me the money to buy one
If Jim takes United to glory and invests plenty and we get back to former glories his company being associated with United.
He can use the success of United to hide the evils of his company.
The same applies for the Qatar bid, however that’s state wide rather than a private individual. Both parties would be guilty of it and it’s at least some of the appeal of the Club.
basic explanation, think of it as a form of propaganda.
You'd think there'd be the emotional aspect of "We want Glazers out" chants not meaning "We don't really want Glazers to feck off from the club that they've been bleeding dry over the past two decades as long as their ownership is maginalised and they don't have any influence". Plus it doesn't scan as well as far as chants go.
agonising the wait. Why's it all so quiet?!
This is why we need socialismI think it'd be fun to own a football club but for some reason the government isn't giving me the money to buy one
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