And as Jag pointed out, even they took a few years before getting it right.
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We spend more than City already.
SAF is partly to blame for the start of the downfall for recommending David fecking moyes. Him being here sent us back years. Jose was our best manager out of the lot we’ve had since SAF retired Up until Erik.
That's why part of me thinks this isn't as over as being bandied about, Avram and Joel will effectively become sitting ducks and their shares might never be as valuable as they are right now because their main attraction is the control the Glazer kids have as a block. They would effectively be tying their financial future to the competency and whims of SJR.
I think if a full sale is the aim then the Qatari are the ones being baited with these leaks. We as a club will still be competitive and generally okay under SJR so I am not bothered either way.
Both Ratcliffe and Jassim will want a big first transfer window to get the fans onboard, it's hardly journalism to point out that obvious fact. They've probably both already chosen Kane as their desired first signing.
Really??!
It was a recommendation. He didn't put a gun to anyone's head. Woodward followed it because he was clueless.
You really think going against Man Utd's most successful manager would have gone down well with the fans?
"and Jim Ratcliffe's about to finalise the con..."
"HERE COMES THE MONEY"
*Sheikh Jassim emerges*
*Old Trafford crowd pops*
"HERE COMES THE MONEY"
*Sheikh Jassim emerges*
*Old Trafford crowd pops*
Of course, the fans never wanted him either. I remember Klopp was the hottest thing at that time, having just won two titles back to back playing exciting football.
It's kinda puzzling because I don't think he is in it to make money, and I don't think he'd enjoy getting the glazer treatment at this part in his life.
If we're being honest, financially speaking this isn't a good deal. We don't make enough money to justify the price tag, and the club is in need of significant investment. So the main motive for Ineos or the Qataris was never to make money, but call it sportswashing, greenwashing, whatever, it's the association with the club. Now without proper investment it'll be a proper nightmare for any new owner in that regard. I hope Ratcliffe knows what he's doing.
Whatever way this is going let’s get it fecking moving. I hate these pricks so much.
We do, and realistically we should because of what we've built anyway. But what he and others are alluding to is a whole other level of spending. It is buying success, no matter how anybody wants to spin it.
But to add to what you've said, we can already compete in terms of transfers. We don't need to sell our soul to make our wealth insurmountable.
I don’t think you can blame Sir Alex. DM was doing an excellent job for Everton, working on a smaller budget and really punching above their weight at the time.
For me the problem was Moyes sacking all the existing back room guys and trying to fix a winning machine that wasn’t broken, and Gill going at the same time leaving clueless Woodward in charge of a manager out of his depth. Between them they dithered in the transfer market and failed to set up the squad to compete the following season. I’m not saying there weren’t better options because there probably was, but Moyes was architect of his own downfall.
It was a terrible recommendation given the evolving nature of football at that time. Moyes was a defensive, bad football manager. I love SAF but it really set us back.
Moyes was hardly the most popular choice. Most people preferred someone else (Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Pep).
Anyway, the point is that we should have started the transition sooner, well before Fergie actually retired. Easier said than done, of course. Fergie's immense presence would have made it potentially tricky, to say the least, to ease in a whole new structure. But that is nevertheless what we should have done.
Just come across this article from February. Make for interesting reading.
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/16/sir-jim-ratcliffe-manchester-united-bid-ineos
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/16/sir-jim-ratcliffe-manchester-united-bid-ineos
Of the type used by the Glazer family
Nothing new, plan all along is to buy the club and put the debt on Ineos. Doesn’t mean current debt would transfer across as well
Because they're playing the fans.
To what end, I don't know. Maybe they are so naive as to think that the Glazers would accept a lower bid if they saw all their fans twerking for the Qatar bid.
Maybe they don't care all that much about winning this bid, and have other clubs they'd bid for if they don't get this, so won't go over a certain amount. Abu Dhabi has been able to successfully wield soft power by buying a piddly little second rate club. As huge as United is, maybe that's not the best value for the sportswashing dollar?
At least both potential owners recognize how important this summer's transfer window is for keeping us on the right track.
I'm sure they would both love a big first signing as well. Kane/Oshimen is definitely incoming.
I'm sure they would both love a big first signing as well. Kane/Oshimen is definitely incoming.
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Judging from your earlier posts I don’t challenge your knowledge but in this post you make too much assumptions based on unknown and unverified facts. Most of the subjects you’re touching is mostly speculation and wild guesses.
From my understanding SJR is a self made man with probably 50 years of experience of doing complicated deals. I assume that SJ and his family isn’t some spring chickens either when it comes to negotiations and businesses with a high level of complexity. So with two highly experienced teams of lawyers, accountants and decision makers then this bidding process is open until it’s 100% closed. Both will have the chance to upper their bid until they say stop. These teams don’t leak valuable information to the media except planted stories that suits their narratives. Both are restricted by a NDA that make their maneuver space restricted.
I fully expect the media to be totally outside the loop who’s properly informed and whenever the deal is closed it will be first presented by the Raine Group to the bidders before any public news comes out.
I would say our recent history is one of the best examples to ourselves that spending even at another level is not the recipe for success. Chelsea took spending to a whole new level which has never been seen before in the last 12 months and it already looks fraught with terrible decisions.
I honestly think Qatari success is only going to happen if it’s lead with good footballing decisions, structure and good management of the club rather than flashing the wallet.
Man City have been lucky to have the combination of both in tandem which is what has brought success.
Look at the two sides 10 years ago, we had a team composed of players who were over 30, or weren't good enough but fergie managed to squeeze the absolute best out of them.
City had kompany, Silva, zabaleta, aguero, yaya toure etc. An incredibly strong spine. A great deal of our spending came under ole, about 440m and then ten hag. During this time period transfer fees have been massively inflated
How do we actually know the Jimster has a higher bid in? Just ITK journo guesswork, Twitter bullshit or any actual quotes?
City were outspending us and creating one of the best teams around while we were making do with Cleverly in the midfield because of the Glazers leeching.
Once SAF left it was impossible to hide this lack of investment and we had to spend to stay in the champions league (on and off).
Unfortunately by this time PSG and City had DESTROYED the market and building a team from scratch cost an astronomical amount.
Add the embarrassing recruitment and structure to that and we are where we are. However, let’s not give the Glazers a pass where it’s totally unwarranted.
Besides they put Woodward in post nd backed his decade of mismanagement… It’s astonishing anyone can try to distance them from our decline.
2 of the biggest issues. No wonder fans prefer Qatar
Are you including unreported, under-the-table payments?
That's one of Glazers' charms. Hiring/letting incompetent people run the club. Any other club that's wasted this amount of money, plus the debt, plus paying annual interests to banks, would've gone into administration long ago. United really is a behemoth. Sustaining leeches and morons.
J.Rat "mine's bigger"
Current debt cleared/moved to INEOS. Same difference. Control of club as good as Glazers gone.
Lets be honest though, they just went out and bought the masterminds behind peps Barca then left the decisions to them. It’s a relatively easy model to follow with the resources they have.
Where are you getting it from that the debt will be cleared?
And no, that is unequivocally NOT as good as them gone.
As a hypothetical, do you think this would have worked if we'd tried it (the money was there, in principle, after all, and Pep was a hollywood enough name for them to like the idea), at least in terms of bringing chief exec and sporting director in to entice PG? Or would Pep have stayed away regardless because he's smart and well-connected to know how structurally dysfunctional any set-up overseen by the Glazers is, so that recruitment decisions would be stuck in quagmires, 'Barca' people would still have to constantly report to the failson chairman etc...
There was a post ages ago of a Twitter thread (I know) that said the current debt has a change of ownership clause which means it needs to be paid in full whenever there is a change.
100% no one knows really except the main players involved, if I was Ratcliffe I'd clear it in some way to get the fans onside for sure if he did that a lot of the naysayers would pay attention to it at least.
Yea feck that kind of “source”.
INEOS own PR (such as it is) made specific mention of there being no “fresh” debt, that screams doing nothing about the existing situation.
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