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The idea that a company like Apple or Amazon would buy the club is pure fan fiction stuff!

It wouldn't make good brand/business sense for them to attach ownership to one football club. It would cause fans of other clubs to stop using them if they knew that they were effectively funding United!

If Amazon/Apple buy Liverpool, would you honestly carry on buying their products?

no one is going to stop buying from amazon or iPhones just because they own a rival team.
 
We do:



That'll be a couple of billion wiped off United's value, then. Bad news for the Glazers, but good news for all football fans.


The advocate generals statement is a funny thing, it’s basically an intern preparing a suggestion for a decision, and it’s up to the judges whether to base their ruling on it or not.

There would be no legal problem to create a Super League if they wanted to. Thing is — nobody wants it besides the owners. I am also fairly certain football never would recover if it was implemented. American owners will never get European football and some bums in charge of other teams think it would be good.
 
Chris Wheeler: "Sources close to the club suggested earlier this week that ecommerce giant Amazon had been interested in bidding for Man United, despite the club's financial advisors, Raine Group, setting a whopping £7bn asking price"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...agreeing-buy-rights-235m-deal-TeamViewer.html

I think their goal is to crack the Asian Market which they've been trying to do for the last few years by expanding their operations in the region with a real focus on Southeast Asia. United is probably the most popular club in that part of the world, which will likely help.
 
Chris Wheeler: "Sources close to the club suggested earlier this week that ecommerce giant Amazon had been interested in bidding for Man United, despite the club's financial advisors, Raine Group, setting a whopping £7bn asking price"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...agreeing-buy-rights-235m-deal-TeamViewer.html

I think their goal is to crack the Asian Market which they've been trying to do for the last few years by expanding their operations in the region with a real focus on Southeast Asia. United is probably the most popular club in that part of the world, which will likely help.

That's probably it.
 
Amazon would be just :drool::drool::drool: from a business possibilities side. They're a vile corporate but then so are all the ones at that kind of money and at least they know how to run a successful business.
 
Amazon already distanced themselves of a link. They refused to comment on rumour and speculation.
 
I hope Gavin Belson will buy the club to shut up his rival Jeff Bezos and so he can put ManUnited logo on his Gavin Box 4 ManUnited Edition.
 
Players on zero hours contracts would help the wage bill.
You joke but this should be a thing or rather more bonus-based salaries. Why should these people (players) get paid a fixed sum if they're not performing?

I know there's a cut for not making the CL but we should have 50/60% base salary and the rest should be 30/40% team performance and maybe 5/10% individual performance.
 
Aren't Amazon notoriously tight fisted?

Not always, they have invested a ton in their prime productions:
“At $58 million per episode - a total budget of $465 million - Amazon Prime’s The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power has become the most expensive television series ever made and surpasses the combined $281 million budget of The Lord of the Rings film series.”
 
I know there's a cut for not making the CL but we should have 50/60% base salary and the rest should be 30/40% team performance and maybe 5/10% individual performance.

How would you even quantify individual performance and who would be responsible for deciding such a metric?

I'm sure that would make for a harmonious dressing room...

'Marcus, I know you played well yesterday but Richard Arnold rated your performance as a 4/10, so you're not getting your full pay this week'
 
How would you even quantify individual performance and who would be responsible for deciding such a metric?

I'm sure that would make for a harmonious dressing room...

'Marcus, I know you played well yesterday but Richard Arnold rated your performance as a 4/10, so you're not getting your full pay this week'
Pretty sure players have goals and assists bonuses in their contracts. Not hard at all, just like in many jobs where you are set targets which may not necessarily be entirely quantitative. Most of my post was about team performance, so that would be the major deciding factor, like the overall bottom line in any organisation.

If you think a 'harmonious dressing room' is more important than the financial well-being of the club and making sure we perform well on the pitch, I suggest you have your priorities wrong with regard to supporting United.
 
How would you even quantify individual performance and who would be responsible for deciding such a metric?

I'm sure that would make for a harmonious dressing room...

'Marcus, I know you played well yesterday but Richard Arnold rated your performance as a 4/10, so you're not getting your full pay this week'

Well you have to use objective means.

Goals, assists, player of the match awards, team performance goals..

Very common
 
Chris Wheeler: "Sources close to the club suggested earlier this week that ecommerce giant Amazon had been interested in bidding for Man United, despite the club's financial advisors, Raine Group, setting a whopping £7bn asking price"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...agreeing-buy-rights-235m-deal-TeamViewer.html

I think their goal is to crack the Asian Market which they've been trying to do for the last few years by expanding their operations in the region with a real focus on Southeast Asia. United is probably the most popular club in that part of the world, which will likely help.

Amazon would be as perfect as you get, but I really think it is very, very unrealistic.
 
How would you even quantify individual performance and who would be responsible for deciding such a metric?

I'm sure that would make for a harmonious dressing room...

'Marcus, I know you played well yesterday but Richard Arnold rated your performance as a 4/10, so you're not getting your full pay this week'

Companies like Opta can track numerous statistics about individual players (goals, assists, distance covered, tackles, duels won, and many more). You create an average from the top performers playing in the same role, contextualize it with our team's playing style, and then ask the player to meet the numbers you get. And the player's salary gets adjusted according to his performance, maybe not weekly since that would be too much work and too few games, but monthly, or semi-annually, or per season for longer contracts.
 
Companies like Opta can track numerous statistics about individual players (goals, assists, distance covered, tackles, duels won, and many more). You create an average from the top performers playing in the same role, contextualize it with our team's playing style, and then ask the player to meet the numbers you get. And the player's salary gets adjusted according to his performance, maybe not weekly since that would be too much work and too few games, but monthly, or semi-annually, or per season for longer contracts.

Putting goals, assists and other parameters as individual objectives will only harm the team. Players will become more selfish to generate the stats themselves and earn more money.

One option may be the games that each starting player plays. This means that they have trained well and he is the best possible player for each demarcation, regardless of whether he later has a better or worse game.
 
I think it is a real concern for these companies like Apple and Amazon who are literally competing for the entire world market. If your brand is already so big that you don't need any more exposure you just need to maintain brand identity, there is genuine risk to a polarizing association like a major football club.

A company like Apple also isn't going to own United and then be able to compete for PL streaming rights. And the idea (thrown out somewhere in this thread) that the PL is moving in a direction where each club will sell its own streaming rights is not realistic, especially given the way the politics of the FA and PL are moving in recent years (toward more regulation and more sharing of revenues from bigger clubs to smaller ones).

Exactly!
There's a reason that Apple/Amazon have never tried to buy a sports club before! Unless they've been patiently waiting for Man United to become available as they are the only possible club that a tech giant would ever consider buying!

This wasn't the fans, it came from credible journalists.

Have you got any links for these so called credible journalists?
 
Putting goals, assists and other parameters as individual objectives will only harm the team. Players will become more selfish to generate the stats themselves and earn more money.

One option may be the games that each starting player plays. This means that they have trained well and he is the best possible player for each demarcation, regardless of whether he later has a better or worse game.
As I said, this is already happening and it's not like players' wages are being negotiated irrespective of how many goals and assist they've had, usually in the most recent year. That is why the phenomenon of 'playing for a new contract ' exists to begin with.

And on the selfish part, it's not like these guys are not selfish already anyway. They can take as many pictures for the winning team propaganda but anyone at that level is, generally speaking, not Mother Theresa.
 
You joke but this should be a thing or rather more bonus-based salaries. Why should these people (players) get paid a fixed sum if they're not performing?

I know there's a cut for not making the CL but we should have 50/60% base salary and the rest should be 30/40% team performance and maybe 5/10% individual performance.
My home town club, St Johnstone, do this. A lower basic wage for the players but great bonuses for team results. It makes signing players difficult when they have an option of a guaranteed higher wage from a similar sized club but Saints have also just gone through the most successful decade in their history, with the dressing room spirit often cited, so it may well work as a motivational tool. Might not be so successful when the lower basic is still a few million though!
 
Have you got any links for these so called credible journalists?

Chris Wheeler, Laurie Whitwell, and others. But there was a report that it came from, for the fans to jump on the chance that Amazon could be a possibility.

Before the reports, most, if not all, fans were talking about Middle East investors or US consortiums.
 
I hope Gavin Belson will buy the club to shut up his rival Jeff Bezos and so he can put ManUnited logo on his Gavin Box 4 ManUnited Edition.

You've heard of the high press, but wait til you see the middle out compress!
 
One of the Skinners was in Qatar 'watching the WC'. Considering that they barely ever watched games at OT then could it be the case that he was there for something else?
 
One of the Skinners was in Qatar 'watching the WC'. Considering that they barely ever watched games at OT then could it be the case that he was there for something else?

Could be a number of reasons. They apparently have a T20 cricket team which is playing in the Middle East soon. So it could be connected to that?

It could be that talks with prospective buyers are happening there?

Could be any other business. These are high net worth people. Could number of reasons.
 
The idea that a company like Apple or Amazon would buy the club is pure fan fiction stuff!

It wouldn't make good brand/business sense for them to attach ownership to one football club. It would cause fans of other clubs to stop using them if they knew that they were effectively funding United!

If Amazon/Apple buy Liverpool, would you honestly carry on buying their products?

Think it depends on the company/product. For example I am sure that some City fans would stop buying from Amazon if they bought us. But honestly — if PornHub bought us — I bet not a single City fan would terminate their Platinum Pro Membership. Just my gut feeling and 100% speculation, but I don’t think they could do without it. Same with Arsenal and Liverpool fans. Maybe they would see some churn among Brighton fans, but it’s hard to speculate on.
 
Could be a number of reasons. They apparently have a T20 cricket team which is playing in the Middle East soon. So it could be connected to that?

It could be that talks with prospective buyers are happening there?

Could be any other business. These are high net worth people. Could number of reasons.
That tournament is a month away, I don’t think he’d need to be out there for that at this stage.

As an aside I’ve just looked at the team they’ve put together and if there is a plan involved then I have absolutely no idea what it is. Looks like it’s been picked out of a tombola
 
Exactly!
There's a reason that Apple/Amazon have never tried to buy a sports club before! Unless they've been patiently waiting for Man United to become available as they are the only possible club that a tech giant would ever consider buying!

Yeah, not just Apple/Amazon but large publicly traded corporations in general.

The owners of football clubs and other sports teams tend to fall into three categories (with maybe some examples like Chelsea that are a bit hybrid between the first two).

-Extremely wealthy people who want to own the club as a trophy asset that will also reliably appreciate in value, or small consortiums of these people.
-Privately held investment vehicles like private equity funds that largely see the club as any other business to refurbish, build up, and then sell for profit.
-Sovereign wealth funds of nation-states interested in sports washing.

It is hard to think of examples of publicly traded corporations buying big football clubs, much less massive consumer-facing ones. Could it happen? Sure. But there are a lot of good reasons why it generally hasn't happened and the smart money is that this trend will continue in the case of United and Liverpool.
 
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