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The finance is very unlikely to be uk based.
Same difference. US govt 10-yr bonds are also trading at a 3.6% rate.
Who knows.

These lot aren't nipping in to Halifax or scrolling Tesco bank.. these are circles which we will never be privy to.

A loan to us at 8 or 9 percent is a damn sight less than billions to these geezers at 3 or 4 percent.
Bond and loan markets are not an invisible black box, when a company is public (such as United) or a debt issuance is traded publicly, information is available on the terms and rates of the loan.

Loans are almost always priced as the risk-free (government) rate + company specific risk premium, which equals a number higher than the risk-free rate.

Also, people are privy. Investment banks and firms are staffed by hundreds of thousands of fairly ordinary people.
 
If I remember correctly around 2005 or something the PIK loan taken by the Glazers had an initial interest rate somewhere around 14%. If I not mistaken they had their MUFC shares (inside their holding company Red Football JV) as a security against the loan. At the time the the FEDs fund rate was almost similar to what it’s toady, somewhere around 5%.
Yep, 14.25% on the PIK notes and 8.75% on on the bonds they issued. In 2005 the US 10-yr generally traded from 4.0% to 4.5%, so comparable.
 
You can't borrow at 4% right now in the UK though, can you? 10-year Gilts are trading at 3.84%. No idea what the credit rating is on presumably a secured loan for construction, but the spread would be at least 100 bps if not 200+ bps.
That’s higher than gabber, I’m not having that.
 
The NFL Franchise Washington Commanders just sold for $6.05B (5.52B Euros). Unfortunately, this would most likely mean the Glazers are re-evaluating the situation as the Manchester United Brand is worth much more than that. I would guess that this chatter is to put pressure on the 2 legit offers and try to squeeze more money out of the sale process. Without competition, there is no incentive for either to increase their offer.

Worse case its a contingency plan for the Glazers to buy out the siblings and remain in control. The team is ascending now, so the valuation will only go up from here.
Our financial situation is messed up, we need investments/improvements on all ends, endless debt, rather poor past 8 or so seasons. Different situation
 
You’re missing the point I am just pointing out a plausible scenario. They club together sell off some shares to whoever, ease their financial issues by refinancing some of the debt and then revisit a sale when they think it’s worth more.

That allows the status quo to continue, it ticks all the boxes as long as the siblings are happy to postpone a sale in the short term. All these other scenarios like preferred shares or someone buying shares with no control make no sense. Even the idea they would ever redevelop the stadium or build a new one is total pie in the sky.

Like I said initially they wouldn’t have needed to go through this process to do that, unless this was just a fishing exercise which would seem unlikely but again is plausible.

If the Glazers could print money in that way then they would have done it. It would avoid going through this nasty process, paying Raine Group and risking to make powerful enemies (ex Qatar) while further pissing off their main clients (ie the fans).

a- United is a money losing business. Its infrastructure is mush which means it needs huge investment in that part, interest rates are going up + competition is getting tougher which is a huge problem for a heavily indebted club which needs heavy investment like ours.


b- our share price is way lower to what Jassim/SJR are offering even in current conditions (ie Jassim/SJR are with one foot at the door). That share price will plummet even further the moment the Glazers state that they are staying. Which means that in such scenario the Glazers will be getting less money for their shares.


c- United's debt/infrastructure issues has reached critical point. That means that the Glazers will be FORCED to invest the money they get into the club. They might consider doing it to improve United's infrastructure (they never did that but let pretend that they had a change of heart). However we're probably talking here of paying off interest rates. That's dead money mate.

d- the minority stake option simply doesn't make sense. They will be buying the majority of shares in a money losing business while having zero say on how its run. On top of that they will have to rely on lousy owners who are absolutely hated by their main clients and who can't guarantee (and probably won't) pay any dividends.

Don't take me wrong. There might be a chance of someone being stupid to accept those terms. After all Musk bought Twitter for 44b. However its highly unlikely especially at the cusp of a recession when so many business, that are way more profitable, will be starving for cash injections.
 
Why would the rest of the siblings agree to minority investment when they stand to earn far more for their shares with a full sale? the difference in what they’ll receive from a minority stake and a full sale is massive.
Yeah makes no sense. In all likelihood the Qataris are offering more than anyone else, so why settle for less?

I still think the club will be sold to the highest bidder, or not at all. Minority investment won't get them the most value for their shares, and the money won't be invested back into the club since it's going to those who want out, so it makes no sense.
 
True.

If mad Todd had taken over here and sacked ETH, replaced him with Potter then replaced him with Solskjaer and we were languising in 11th place I don't think anybody would be happy!

It's worth pointing out that Chelsea are an extreme worst case scenario though and I don't think any of the prospective buyers will be as crazy as Chelsea over the last 12 months!

Yep, you'd also hope that any new owner would take a look at what's happened to Chelsea and Newcastle under their respective new ownerships over the last 18 months, and realise that incremental decision making is the best policy. The contrast between the approach from both clubs and the ensuing outcomes couldn't be more stark.
 
If the Glazers could print money in that way then they would have done it. It would avoid going through this nasty process, paying Raine Group and risking to make powerful enemies (ex Qatar) while further pissing off their main clients (ie the fans).

a- United is a money losing business. Its infrastructure is mush which means it needs huge investment in that part, interest rates are going up + competition is getting tougher which is a huge problem for a heavily indebted club which needs heavy investment like ours.


b- our share price is way lower to what Jassim/SJR are offering even in current conditions (ie Jassim/SJR are with one foot at the door). That share price will plummet even further the moment the Glazers state that they are staying. Which means that in such scenario the Glazers will be getting less money for their shares.


c- United's debt/infrastructure issues has reached critical point. That means that the Glazers will be FORCED to invest the money they get into the club. They might consider doing it to improve United's infrastructure (they never did that but let pretend that they had a change of heart). However we're probably talking here of paying off interest rates. That's dead money mate.

d- the minority stake option simply doesn't make sense. They will be buying the majority of shares in a money losing business while having zero say on how its run. On top of that they will have to rely on lousy owners who are absolutely hated by their main clients and who can't guarantee (and probably won't) pay any dividends.

Don't take me wrong. There might be a chance of someone being stupid to accept those terms. After all Musk bought Twitter for 44b. However its highly unlikely especially at the cusp of a recession when so many business, that are way more profitable, will be starving for cash injections.

It’s not printing money just selling sharethe same way they have done in the past, it’s not difficult for them to do and can be done whenever they want.

Like I said it would make this process a waste of time but I’m sure the club will pick up the bill and the Glazers won’t lose any sleep over upsetting anyone.
 
@Berbaclass What do you have to say about this?


And you can call me Boomer, it’s fine. But I would rather be a Boomer who prefers real journalism over teenagers who still live with their parents. I would actually believe Terry fecking Flewers before I trust anything the Muppet Babies have to say.

The irony :lol:
 
The NFL Franchise Washington Commanders just sold for $6.05B (5.52B Euros). Unfortunately, this would most likely mean the Glazers are re-evaluating the situation as the Manchester United Brand is worth much more than that. I would guess that this chatter is to put pressure on the 2 legit offers and try to squeeze more money out of the sale process. Without competition, there is no incentive for either to increase their offer.

Worse case its a contingency plan for the Glazers to buy out the siblings and remain in control. The team is ascending now, so the valuation will only go up from here.
The profits from NFL is much more than any other football league.
 
Even if they are it's a new benchmark to compare it to. If the current offers are deemed too low, this sale can be used to exert more pressure on the potential buyers to increase their offer.

If Chelsea sold for $3.1 billion and the Commanders sold for $6.05B then a $5 - 5.5B number seems reasonable. If the offers are below $5B then this resets the market expectations to some degree.

I dont think so, aren't nfl teams basically a closed shop and regardless of sporting performance they'll continue to make money, whereas if we become a team that's basically permanently outside of the top 4, it will damage our value eventually. And with Newcastle and City's limitless resources. Any 2 of Chelsea, arsenal, Liverpool or spurs seriously getting their shit together would be bad for us. Given that we needed a striker in January and we have wout weghorst currently playing, I'm not optimistic we'll be capable of the kind of on field investment that'll be required to keep our seat at the table
 
Even if they are it's a new benchmark to compare it to. If the current offers are deemed too low, this sale can be used to exert more pressure on the potential buyers to increase their offer.

If Chelsea sold for $3.1 billion and the Commanders sold for $6.05B then a $5 - 5.5B number seems reasonable. If the offers are below $5B then this resets the market expectations to some degree.
The offers are already above 6b usd if you believe the numbers were mentioned in the media.
 
If I remember correctly around 2005 or something the PIK loan taken by the Glazers had an initial interest rate somewhere around 14%. If I not mistaken they had their MUFC shares (inside their holding company Red Football JV) as a security against the loan. At the time the the FEDs fund rate was almost similar to what it’s toady, somewhere around 5%.

Trust an old man. All siblings will sell.
I've no doubt that they'll sell...just to give the mooted £5BN a little context... that's five thousand million...there are around a thousand weeks in twenty years...five thousand weeks...around a hundred years... that's a million pounds a week for a hundred years.... that's just how greedy these parasites are.
 
The irony :lol:
I think you missed my point. Terry Flewers is as reliable for news as my 3 year old son i.e. not reliable at all (just like your friends the 'Muppet Babies'.)

Anyway, you're happy to follow them for news and that's your right of course. But I just don't get it.
 
I think you missed my point. Terry Flewers is as reliable for news as my 3 year old son i.e. not reliable at all (just like your friends the 'Muppet Babies'.)

Anyway, you're happy to follow them for news and that's your right of course. But I just don't get it.
You’re point of contention is that I’m believing some random guy on the internet.

You just tagged me in a post from some random guy on the Caf as proof of something :lol:
 
Careful WUM, you’re outting yourself again!
Also you’re wrong. Pogba, Di Maria and Lukaku are just 3 off the top of my head. Our transfer business has been appalling under Woodward and the Glazers for 17 years.

I think his underlying message is really: ''It's also a stark lesson that sometimes it's better to stick with the devil you know than the devil you don't.''

He's been a proponent of the glazers staying from Day One.

:mad:
 
They just go on the stock exchange like they have done previously, no differently to when they have been sold before. The has no trouble selling them in the past and won’t have any now or in near future.

What everyone forgets is this isn’t just business it’s family politics as well. The six of them have to reach some sort of common ground, none of them can break rank of their shares change class and are devalued.

If Joel and Avram don’t want to sell then there is no sale full stop. From what we hear they don’t really want to sell and the other 4 do so one side is going to either have to relent or they compromise somehow.
But in a total fall out within the family the four who want out effectively own 45% of the club meaning that they could turn on their brothers and oust them from power by just looking for otherx shareholders who yown 5% and have a majority. Joel and Avram aren't as in control of the situation as they are touting.

There has be a push factor that is forcing them to keep this process going and all takes is an offer close To 6b that will create a break within the family. The fact of the matter is that if SJ/SJR offer something around 5.6b some within family will consider good enough and if they want out badly enough they are bound to cause trouble.

You also have to consider that no sane VC will put up billions and not have a real say in how things go, they will want as much say as the four departing Glazers if they are paying top dollar. This will mean that the two remainders will leave themselves open to losing control if they agree to this. A VC won't hesitate to buy the 5-10% that would be necessary to oust Joel and Avram from executive positions.
 
The NFL Franchise Washington Commanders just sold for $6.05B (5.52B Euros). Unfortunately, this would most likely mean the Glazers are re-evaluating the situation as the Manchester United Brand is worth much more than that. I would guess that this chatter is to put pressure on the 2 legit offers and try to squeeze more money out of the sale process. Without competition, there is no incentive for either to increase their offer.

Worse case its a contingency plan for the Glazers to buy out the siblings and remain in control. The team is ascending now, so the valuation will only go up from here.
Did the commanders have much debt associated with the Franchise?
 
The minority buy out for the other 4 siblings is being floated around by some members of the media at about £2.6bn or $3.2bn again could be just another inaccurate leak to drum out an increased bid by the 2 main bidders SJ and SJR, do I believe these number ?

Hell No, it was £2.2bn last week, coincidentally assuming that all 6 Glaziers own 69% and Darcy, Kevin, Edward and Bryan( the 4 that want to sell own 65.7% of those 69% which means the VC, whom are rumoured to be Carlyle would be valuing the whole club at £5.75bn (69% of this £3.96bn and 65.7% of that is £2.61bn) ; seems to me they are telling SJ or SJR that’s the magical number to convince them to sell has to be £5.8-6bn for a full sale) - Could be a huge game of bluff and I see no benefit whatsoever to the Hedge Fund buying out 65.7% of voting shares at £2.6bn only to accept 25% minority voting shares in a new restructured company where Joel and Avram get 75% voting shares, it makes zero sense!
 
You’re point of contention is that I’m believing some random guy on the internet.

You just tagged me in a post from some random guy on the Caf as proof of something :lol:
Oh Berby :lol:

I wanted to know your thoughts on what the other Caf poster said about the Muppetiers getting called out on Reddit - but you won't comment on it.

You see, you seem to have an affiliation with the Muppet Babies and we all want to know how they've got connections to Utd and the Glazers? We can be civil here - I think the Muppetiers are BS merchants. That's just my opinion, doesn't make me right or wrong.

I don't mean any disrespect believe it or not. I just don't understand how the Muppetiers have information that real journalists like Ornstein and co don't have?
 
City win the Champions league, we get bought by Qatar. Its sort of the perfect life circle of what happened to us in the summer of 2008.
 
But in a total fall out within the family the four who want out effectively own 45% of the club meaning that they could turn on their brothers and oust them from power by just looking for otherx shareholders who yown 5% and have a majority. Joel and Avram aren't as in control of the situation as they are touting.

There has be a push factor that is forcing them to keep this process going and all takes is an offer close To 6b that will create a break within the family. The fact of the matter is that if SJ/SJR offer something around 5.6b some within family will consider good enough and if they want out badly enough they are bound to cause trouble.

You also have to consider that no sane VC will put up billions and not have a real say in how things go, they will want as much say as the four departing Glazers if they are paying top dollar. This will mean that the two remainders will leave themselves open to losing control if they agree to this. A VC won't hesitate to buy the 5-10% that would be necessary to oust Joel and Avram from executive positions.

They can’t oust them no other shareholders have any voting rights, the 31% they don’t own is worthless in terms of voting rights.

The shares are set up as they are to ensure that they all need to agree to sell. If Joel and Avram won’t sell then that’s the end of it.
 
Oh Berby :lol:

I wanted to know your thoughts on what the other Caf poster said about the Muppetiers getting called out on Reddit - but you won't comment on it.

You see, you seem to have an affiliation with the Muppet Babies and we all want to know how they've got connections to Utd and the Glazers? We can be civil here - I think the Muppetiers are BS merchants. That's just my opinion, doesn't make me right or wrong.

I don't mean any disrespect believe it or not. I just don't understand how the Muppetiers have information that real journalists like Ornstein and co don't have?

Never said they did. I just agree with some of the points the guy makes.
 
Maybe it’s just because I don’t really understand any of it but why does anything other than a full sale sound dodgy as feck?

It all just reads like a load of jumping through hoops for all parties to make more cash while ruining the club further.
 
Yep, you'd also hope that any new owner would take a look at what's happened to Chelsea and Newcastle under their respective new ownerships over the last 18 months, and realise that incremental decision making is the best policy. The contrast between the approach from both clubs and the ensuing outcomes couldn't be more stark.

Worth pointing out that Newcastle were in a relegation battle just over 12 months ago so expectations were low. They've essentially been on the up for a year whereas Chelsea have been extremely inconsistent on the pitch.

Will be interesting to see what decisions they make over the next 6 months if they don't get top 4 and have a poor start to next season.
 


First time I've seen a sports journalist actually tackle the "how" about a minority investment, rather than just saying "it's possible"

Manchester United’s takeover process is about to enter the defining stage with bidders due to make their third and final offers by Friday, April 28.
United supporters are hoping the Glazers will finally sell up, with Qatari Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani the favourite to land the club ahead of billionaire Ineos founder Sir Jim Ratcliffe, but talk of the Americans taking minority investment and staying in situ persists. Here is how a partial sale would work and how viable an option it is for the Glazers.
Where are we in the takeover process?
When Manchester United announced their “strategic review” last November, it was stated that the Glazers would consider all options, including “new investment into the club, a sale, or other transactions involving the company”. With United fans desperate to see the back of the Americans, much of the focus has centred on the only two parties proposing full takeovers: Qatari banker Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani and Sir Jim Ratcliffe.
Yet a number of US-based investment funds, including Elliott Management, The Carlyle Group, Ares Management and Sixth Street Partners, have registered interest in acquiring a minority stake in the club and/or providing financing. All groups have been asked by Raine, the merchant bank overseeing the process, to complete their due diligence by the end of this week before submitting third and final offers before next Friday’s deadline.

How might a partial sale work?
While four of the Glazers siblings – Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie – are said to be keen to cash in on their shareholding, Joel and Avram, the United co-chairmen, are thought to be more reticent about relinquishing the club they have part owned for the past 18 years.
Joel and Avram explored financing options earlier last year with a view to finding a way to buy out their siblings and the theory is that the pair could use the equity from a minority sale to purchase those stakes and fund redevelopment of Old Trafford and a new training ground through financing.
Sounds simple enough?
Not really. United’s dual-share structure means that the Glazers own the so-called Class B shares, which hold 10 times the voting rights of the Class A shares, in their entirety. Anyone trying to purchase United shares would, in effect, only be purchasing Class A shares, which is why those investors who currently own 31 per cent of the club – against the Glazers’ 69 per cent – have no say in how it is run.
As such, financial sources have cast serious doubt on whether hard-nosed investment groups such as Elliott and Carlyle would be prepared to cough up a large amount of equity without voting rights in return, which may necessitate the existing share structure being ripped up or remodelled.
Would the Glazers go for that?
This is the big question, and why, when push comes to shove, there is the feeling in financial circles that a huge Qatari offer will be difficult to turn down. The dual share structure has enabled the Glazers to stay in complete control while also offloading large tranches of Class A shares without any threat to their autonomy at Old Trafford, effectively using the club as a personal piggy bank.
All told, the family have raised £465 million through share sales down the years. Abandoning the dual share structure to facilitate a partial sale could bring an end to that and also leave the Glazers vulnerable to newly empowered minority investors forcing a cheaper takeover in the future.
How much would it cost to buy out the four siblings?
This is another potential stumbling block. Combined, Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie’s stake is worth around £1.1 billion based on the existing $20 share price. Even if a minority investor were willing and able to provide that amount of money in equity or a significant proportion of it, would it alone be enough to persuade the four siblings to sell?
The Glazers are purported to be looking for about £6 billion from Qatar or Ratcliffe so the idea of Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie wanting a premium on their shareholdings does not seem too far-fetched.
What would a partial sale mean for Old Trafford?
If the Glazers were to remain in situ, they would need substantial financing to be able to fund redevelopment and expansion of Old Trafford, which is being cited as an eight-year project, and overhaul their Carrington training base. But that money would not come cheap. Given the current financial landscape and the history of groups like Elliott and Carlyle wanting value-driven deals, the interest rates involved could be punitive.
United are already paying about £20 million a year in interest on their existing loans but that figure would rise if their debt dramatically increased. And more money spent servicing debt would, in all likelihood, mean less money spent on the squad. In time, matchday and commercial revenues would soar with a new stadium and the Glazers would not need to borrow all the money immediately. But there could be a challenge financially to keep things in step in the shorter-term.
How would a Qatari takeover differ?
Sheikh Jassim is proposing a debt-free takeover and considerable investment in infrastructure so not only would United not need to secure financing for a new stadium and training ground, the club would be free of the burdensome interest and dividends payments attached to Glazer rule.
That would mean the club instantly being around £40 million a year better off in revenue terms – the equivalent of a £200 million signing every season based on a five-year player contract given that transfer fees are spread over the lifetime of deals.
 


First time I've seen a sports journalist actually tackle the "how" about a minority investment, rather than just saying "it's possible"

Manchester United’s takeover process is about to enter the defining stage with bidders due to make their third and final offers by Friday, April 28.
United supporters are hoping the Glazers will finally sell up, with Qatari Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani the favourite to land the club ahead of billionaire Ineos founder Sir Jim Ratcliffe, but talk of the Americans taking minority investment and staying in situ persists. Here is how a partial sale would work and how viable an option it is for the Glazers.
Where are we in the takeover process?
When Manchester United announced their “strategic review” last November, it was stated that the Glazers would consider all options, including “new investment into the club, a sale, or other transactions involving the company”. With United fans desperate to see the back of the Americans, much of the focus has centred on the only two parties proposing full takeovers: Qatari banker Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani and Sir Jim Ratcliffe.
Yet a number of US-based investment funds, including Elliott Management, The Carlyle Group, Ares Management and Sixth Street Partners, have registered interest in acquiring a minority stake in the club and/or providing financing. All groups have been asked by Raine, the merchant bank overseeing the process, to complete their due diligence by the end of this week before submitting third and final offers before next Friday’s deadline.

How might a partial sale work?
While four of the Glazers siblings – Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie – are said to be keen to cash in on their shareholding, Joel and Avram, the United co-chairmen, are thought to be more reticent about relinquishing the club they have part owned for the past 18 years.
Joel and Avram explored financing options earlier last year with a view to finding a way to buy out their siblings and the theory is that the pair could use the equity from a minority sale to purchase those stakes and fund redevelopment of Old Trafford and a new training ground through financing.
Sounds simple enough?
Not really. United’s dual-share structure means that the Glazers own the so-called Class B shares, which hold 10 times the voting rights of the Class A shares, in their entirety. Anyone trying to purchase United shares would, in effect, only be purchasing Class A shares, which is why those investors who currently own 31 per cent of the club – against the Glazers’ 69 per cent – have no say in how it is run.
As such, financial sources have cast serious doubt on whether hard-nosed investment groups such as Elliott and Carlyle would be prepared to cough up a large amount of equity without voting rights in return, which may necessitate the existing share structure being ripped up or remodelled.
Would the Glazers go for that?
This is the big question, and why, when push comes to shove, there is the feeling in financial circles that a huge Qatari offer will be difficult to turn down. The dual share structure has enabled the Glazers to stay in complete control while also offloading large tranches of Class A shares without any threat to their autonomy at Old Trafford, effectively using the club as a personal piggy bank.
All told, the family have raised £465 million through share sales down the years. Abandoning the dual share structure to facilitate a partial sale could bring an end to that and also leave the Glazers vulnerable to newly empowered minority investors forcing a cheaper takeover in the future.
How much would it cost to buy out the four siblings?
This is another potential stumbling block. Combined, Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie’s stake is worth around £1.1 billion based on the existing $20 share price. Even if a minority investor were willing and able to provide that amount of money in equity or a significant proportion of it, would it alone be enough to persuade the four siblings to sell?
The Glazers are purported to be looking for about £6 billion from Qatar or Ratcliffe so the idea of Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie wanting a premium on their shareholdings does not seem too far-fetched.
What would a partial sale mean for Old Trafford?
If the Glazers were to remain in situ, they would need substantial financing to be able to fund redevelopment and expansion of Old Trafford, which is being cited as an eight-year project, and overhaul their Carrington training base. But that money would not come cheap. Given the current financial landscape and the history of groups like Elliott and Carlyle wanting value-driven deals, the interest rates involved could be punitive.
United are already paying about £20 million a year in interest on their existing loans but that figure would rise if their debt dramatically increased. And more money spent servicing debt would, in all likelihood, mean less money spent on the squad. In time, matchday and commercial revenues would soar with a new stadium and the Glazers would not need to borrow all the money immediately. But there could be a challenge financially to keep things in step in the shorter-term.
How would a Qatari takeover differ?
Sheikh Jassim is proposing a debt-free takeover and considerable investment in infrastructure so not only would United not need to secure financing for a new stadium and training ground, the club would be free of the burdensome interest and dividends payments attached to Glazer rule.
That would mean the club instantly being around £40 million a year better off in revenue terms – the equivalent of a £200 million signing every season based on a five-year player contract given that transfer fees are spread over the lifetime of deals.


Finally someone talking sense, because they’ve looked through the obvious flaws in a minority, maybe at the offset the right idea for a minority was the 6 Glazers would stay and relinquish 15% combined this keeping Voting rights but allowing someone to maybe have 25% voting shares with All 6 Glazers keeping 75% of 70% of the club.

This investment might have been an initial £1bn with a view in 7 years the club might be worth £10bn and 70% of that £7bn so the investor that now had 25% of those voting shares would make £750m on their £1bn investment or £100m per year which is 10% ROI, but this would involve the Glazers investing capital from the sale of their shares to grow the club and this would take all 6 to agree which they don’t!

The minority buyout of 4 Glazers just seems near impossible to achieve without Avram and Joel being completely turned over. Maybe no bad thing ?
 


First time I've seen a sports journalist actually tackle the "how" about a minority investment, rather than just saying "it's possible"

Manchester United’s takeover process is about to enter the defining stage with bidders due to make their third and final offers by Friday, April 28.
United supporters are hoping the Glazers will finally sell up, with Qatari Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani the favourite to land the club ahead of billionaire Ineos founder Sir Jim Ratcliffe, but talk of the Americans taking minority investment and staying in situ persists. Here is how a partial sale would work and how viable an option it is for the Glazers.
Where are we in the takeover process?
When Manchester United announced their “strategic review” last November, it was stated that the Glazers would consider all options, including “new investment into the club, a sale, or other transactions involving the company”. With United fans desperate to see the back of the Americans, much of the focus has centred on the only two parties proposing full takeovers: Qatari banker Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani and Sir Jim Ratcliffe.
Yet a number of US-based investment funds, including Elliott Management, The Carlyle Group, Ares Management and Sixth Street Partners, have registered interest in acquiring a minority stake in the club and/or providing financing. All groups have been asked by Raine, the merchant bank overseeing the process, to complete their due diligence by the end of this week before submitting third and final offers before next Friday’s deadline.

How might a partial sale work?
While four of the Glazers siblings – Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie – are said to be keen to cash in on their shareholding, Joel and Avram, the United co-chairmen, are thought to be more reticent about relinquishing the club they have part owned for the past 18 years.
Joel and Avram explored financing options earlier last year with a view to finding a way to buy out their siblings and the theory is that the pair could use the equity from a minority sale to purchase those stakes and fund redevelopment of Old Trafford and a new training ground through financing.
Sounds simple enough?
Not really. United’s dual-share structure means that the Glazers own the so-called Class B shares, which hold 10 times the voting rights of the Class A shares, in their entirety. Anyone trying to purchase United shares would, in effect, only be purchasing Class A shares, which is why those investors who currently own 31 per cent of the club – against the Glazers’ 69 per cent – have no say in how it is run.
As such, financial sources have cast serious doubt on whether hard-nosed investment groups such as Elliott and Carlyle would be prepared to cough up a large amount of equity without voting rights in return, which may necessitate the existing share structure being ripped up or remodelled.
Would the Glazers go for that?
This is the big question, and why, when push comes to shove, there is the feeling in financial circles that a huge Qatari offer will be difficult to turn down. The dual share structure has enabled the Glazers to stay in complete control while also offloading large tranches of Class A shares without any threat to their autonomy at Old Trafford, effectively using the club as a personal piggy bank.
All told, the family have raised £465 million through share sales down the years. Abandoning the dual share structure to facilitate a partial sale could bring an end to that and also leave the Glazers vulnerable to newly empowered minority investors forcing a cheaper takeover in the future.
How much would it cost to buy out the four siblings?
This is another potential stumbling block. Combined, Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie’s stake is worth around £1.1 billion based on the existing $20 share price. Even if a minority investor were willing and able to provide that amount of money in equity or a significant proportion of it, would it alone be enough to persuade the four siblings to sell?
The Glazers are purported to be looking for about £6 billion from Qatar or Ratcliffe so the idea of Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie wanting a premium on their shareholdings does not seem too far-fetched.
What would a partial sale mean for Old Trafford?
If the Glazers were to remain in situ, they would need substantial financing to be able to fund redevelopment and expansion of Old Trafford, which is being cited as an eight-year project, and overhaul their Carrington training base. But that money would not come cheap. Given the current financial landscape and the history of groups like Elliott and Carlyle wanting value-driven deals, the interest rates involved could be punitive.
United are already paying about £20 million a year in interest on their existing loans but that figure would rise if their debt dramatically increased. And more money spent servicing debt would, in all likelihood, mean less money spent on the squad. In time, matchday and commercial revenues would soar with a new stadium and the Glazers would not need to borrow all the money immediately. But there could be a challenge financially to keep things in step in the shorter-term.
How would a Qatari takeover differ?
Sheikh Jassim is proposing a debt-free takeover and considerable investment in infrastructure so not only would United not need to secure financing for a new stadium and training ground, the club would be free of the burdensome interest and dividends payments attached to Glazer rule.
That would mean the club instantly being around £40 million a year better off in revenue terms – the equivalent of a £200 million signing every season based on a five-year player contract given that transfer fees are spread over the lifetime of deals.


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Combined, Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie’s stake is worth around £1.1 billion based on the existing $20 share price. Even if a minority investor were willing and able to provide that amount of money in equity or a significant proportion of it, would it alone be enough to persuade the four siblings to sell?

The Glazers are purported to be looking for about £6 billion from Qatar or Ratcliffe so the idea of Kevin, Bryan, Edward and Darcie wanting a premium on their shareholdings does not seem too far-fetched.

Unless Joel and Avram have some dirt on their siblings for blackmail, this does not make sense. Furthermore, the same share price quoted as $20, will decrease even further once it is reported there will be no full sale. Their Glazers personal adviser in all of this process, Rothschild, will of course point this out. Not to mention, The Raine group would get much more of a cut in a full-on sale.
 
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Unless Joel and Avram have some dirt on their siblings for blackmail, this does not make sense. Furthermore, the same share price quoted as $20, will decrease even further once it is reported there will be no full sale. Their Glazers personal adviser in all of this process, Rothschild, will of course point this out. Not to mention, The Raine group would get much more of a cut in a full-on sale.


Surely that depends on an investment fund offering 20 US a share but what if they offered more than double to the other siblings for a minority stake? Or is there something I'm missing?
 
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Surely that depends on and investment offering to 20 US a share but what if they offered more than double to the other siblings for a minority stake? Or is there something I'm missing?
Anything the vulture funds offer will have to match or beat the qataris and ratcliffe given they are already paying double the club's valuation for all glazer shares. At that point what even is the point of investing 2.5-3 bn just to have a non controlling interest with 2 jokers incharge who have turned a profitable club into a debt ridden under achieving mess
 
Anything the vulture funds offer will have to match or beat the qataris and ratcliffe given they are already paying double the club's valuation for all glazer shares. At that point what even is the point of investing 2.5-3 bn just to have a non controlling interest with 2 jokers incharge who have turned a profitable club into a debt ridden under achieving mess

Unless they hope everything crashes and burns and they mop up the rest? I think the Qataris are offering around 50 US a share. Why wouldn't they take that? It only makes sense to me if there's PPV on the horizon but that's just not going to happen.
 
The NFL Franchise Washington Commanders just sold for $6.05B (5.52B Euros). Unfortunately, this would most likely mean the Glazers are re-evaluating the situation as the Manchester United Brand is worth much more than that. I would guess that this chatter is to put pressure on the 2 legit offers and try to squeeze more money out of the sale process. Without competition, there is no incentive for either to increase their offer.

Worse case its a contingency plan for the Glazers to buy out the siblings and remain in control. The team is ascending now, so the valuation will only go up from here.
NFL teams print money, operating a pl team and a nfl team are chalk and cheese.

Valuations do not change based on 1 or 2 odd seasons, if utd don't spend much in the summer given glazers are skint or if Ten hag's signings bomb and we end up doing a Chelsea or a liverpool next season, the valuation is not suddenly going to tank and if we end up winning the league it still won't make us much more valuable because the debt and the stadium renewal are still going to exist and are far more important to the club's valuation than winning an odd trophy or playing good football.
 
Unless they hope everything crashes and burns and they mop up the rest? I think the Qataris are offering around 50 US a share. Why wouldn't they take that? It only makes sense to me if there's PPV on the horizon but that's just not going to happen.
They don't take it because they are hoping to squeeze out more, if I think I can sell for 52-53 why would I agree at 50.
 
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