This club deserves beating with a stick after the way they are treating employees yet players suffer no financial constraints.
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This club deserves beating with a stick after the way they are treating employees yet players suffer no financial constraints.
Wonder if the billion pound debt has anything to do with our tight financial restrictions Jim? Maybe ask if this can be serviced by our American overlords? Nope? Ok then. Better go back to taking that £8.95 an hour 65 year old of the tills instead.
fecking Tory behaviour.
Rashford got sold so they could take away the free lunches.
Would be surprised if the coffee machine remained
Agree with this. There will be fans saying players not suffering from penalties, is incorrect because when they dont finish in CL and Europe, there will be a cut in wages.
The club are trying to reduce the wage bill by getting rid of players, this is not just impacting the non footballing staff, its impacting playing staff too.
I get Glineos won't pay off someone else's debt with minority ownership, that's why we needed a full sale and not someone saving these leeches
I think money and is and will continue to be cut everywhere, a lot more money has been saved by loaning out Antony and Rashford for instance.
What it all boils down to is we’ve gone from a club that Richard Arnold said didn’t know where the money for next year was coming from to one trying to budget for what’s ahead, not an easy or at times fair transition.
I'm a capitalist at heart but this grinds my gears. 450 people paying the price for horrific and incompetent football governance.
I wonder what the average first team squad pay cut would have to be to keep these people in a job? Maybe 5%? I'm not one for begruding footballers their earning potential (I was one of the few who backed Oscar when he went to China) but to be part of this squad and seeing people losing their jobs because of your shameful performances surely triggers you to want to do something more than feck all to help.
I wonder what the average first team squad pay cut would have to be to keep these people in a job? Maybe 5%? I'm not one for begruding footballers their earning potential (I was one of the few who backed Oscar when he went to China) but to be part of this squad and seeing people losing their jobs because of your shameful performances surely triggers you to want to do something more than feck all to help.
United could be making £100m a year profit and INEOS would still be making these cuts. It’s who they are. Anybody defending them needs a long, hard look in the mirror.
Hardly the kind of financial pain that staff are feeling though is it. The players can still afford to live a life of luxury even with a pay cut
Not sure if we're being ran by INEOS or Ketamine Elon at this point
I totally agree. They shouldn’t have to pay it off. But there should be questions (or should’ve been in the sale process) about why we are still saddled with their debt despite them getting a shed load of money from Ineos when they bought shares. It’s criminal they’re continually allowed to add more debt to us whilst talking money for themselves.
Can’t wait for the glazers and Ineos to bring on a third investor to try and drain the little life that is left of this club.
Players are under contract. However, the club are actively attempting to move on the underperformers.
You do realise this is not a moment where the club has run out of short term money and need to pay its staff?
This is a more long term sustainability issue.... even if the players took a 20% cut, the staff cuts would still happen.
The club need to find £100m savings per year, which is the loss its been incurring. It is obvious they are cutting wages too, getting rid of Antony, Rashford on loan without replacing them cuts another £10m for this season.
Some don't like to see the bigger picture. Tough decisions need to be made. It's about the greater good. It's remarkable how easy it seeminglly is to criticise those who are actually trying to help drag the club out of this mess.
Yep, I was made redundant from a horrible toxic workplace (great for me as I took voluntary as wanted to leave anyway) but it's always the cannon fodder roles that seem to go, the lowest paid employees who will struggle without a job.
Perhaps if our performances on the pitch hadn't been so shit, we wouldn't be in this position, or certainly not as bad a position so the players should take a long hard look at themselves (they won't, although tbf to Bruno i know he's tried to help out. Most dont seem to care as long as they pick up their massive wage, can you imagine how the class of 92 etc would have reacted, I know several of them mention the day to day staff and interacting with them during their playing days)
The Glazers have milked the club dry, but there are multiple levels of accountability on show here. And its not the people being made redundant at fault, it never is. I'm not surprised if the reports re the atmosphere are true, another reason I took voluntary was because I'd thought i was safe, so would have just been looking over my shoulder even if I survived that round, when would the next one be.
The players are responsible for what happens on the pitch. However, it's the people who buy them (The Glazers & Jim on virtue of being the owners) & give them massive contracts who are the real problem. It is their responsibility to sell their shares to clear the debts & stop these interest payments and to make better football decisions. Asking the ordinary staff or the players to pay for this mess is not the way to go.
I don't have any time for anyone trying to defend, spin or justify INEOS at this point.
You're either an idiot or someone who goes out of their way to sound like a nobhead, which is basically the same thing
You're either an idiot or someone who goes out of their way to sound like a nobhead, which is basically the same thing
Goddamn right.
So if we don't get any form of europe for next season, how many staff will go to pay off this manager and his staff or to buy players to give him the squad he needs? Of course they will be banking on selling players, so we have to hope Rashford and Antony bring in loads of money because who the hell will want a Mason Mount.
I stopped defending them when Ten Hag stayed
If they are not good signings then they are not worth the money. Because you have to replace them or bring in players to cover their weaknesses. UTD are a poor defensive team. On corners and free kicks they are vulnerable. So at some point they'll need to get a CB to fix that. And that will cost millions, but had you spent wisely on De ligt or Yoro then this is not an area you need to invest in.
Same in midfield. Bruno at midfield is a waste. You need to bring a CM that bring the ball up the field, that will cost millions. In the summer they have to spend on a striker, they could have used some of the Zirkzee money on said striker.
If you are constantly spending on the same position its a finanical problem. We've spend over 200 million on CBs and there's ins't a single CB in the club we that we trust. If we were to sell De ligt, Ugarte or Zirkzee in the summer we would have to sell them at a loss. Because they're not worth what we spent to get them.
And lets say right now, if they were to sell De ligt, they are not getting their money.
I don't think its debatable that 200 million was wasted. Because none of them problems those transfer were suppose to fix are fixed i.e. defence and goal scoring. And we have to go back in the transfer market to address them again
Well there are two clear defenders on this page alone which aren't very hard to spot. How can anyone defend them when their minority offer is why those leeches are still here
Oh, you just don't get the Bigger Picture like some of the corporate honchos on here.
1) he’s ruthless and doesn’t care
2) he and glazers know that for 1-2 years he can do it and at worse the criticism won’t be anywhere near as bad as the glazers and at best he’ll likely have sufficient praise.
Maybe they can meet the employees who just lost their jobs so they can explain to them the joys of having the moral high ground
And this is why your employer is not your "family." Your just another row on an excel spreadsheet traded for crap decisions.
I know the only alternative at the Glazer price point turned out to maybe not even be real. But the point was directed at the ones crowing about how we should be happy to be getting an incompetent, stingy, grim bunch like Ineos in to prop up the Glazer ownership. Everyone should have seen that as the disaster it was.
We'd genuinely have been better off even with minority investment from one of those asset stripping US investment groups.
I find it remarkable how some of our fans on here will defend anything. I can remember people defending woodwards record a couple of years ago.
What sign is there ineos are improving anything? They have made a mess of every major decision and we have a very confusing setup at the top of the club made up of ineos people with a poor recent track record in sport and two people promoted to roles that seem a big step up (berrada and ashworth)
feck I didn’t think about this. Here’s me hoping they both sell the whole club.
They can cut the club staff as much as they want, but the problem is not going away while we have that debt with it's crippling interest payments. When do they stop cutting staff? They are saying it is to save money and make it more efficient, but can you go too far and make it inefficient in the process anyway.
Yeah they are unmitigated disaster
There's no guarantee of anything. Why would there be? All we see are people who are trying to recover the club from financial ruin. Yet they are getting criticised for it. The absolute cheek of some of our fans.
Yeah don't make minority ownership offers because it just keeps that debt hanging round our necks. Once you couldn't get full ownership then should have walked away.
Well at least financial ruin would get rid of Glineos
Sad but true
I am confident that we would. Elliott group for example were branded as Satan here but Milan fans loved them and had won more in football then Ineos did. It's only the Italian government that stopped them from building a stadium for their club as well
I could be wrong but is there not a chance staff meals are part of the job package, ie benefits? I'll see if I can find any old contracts that mention this. I would only occasionally eat in the staff restaurant as we usually had access to better food (which will cause headaches in the future) it was mostly used by GPS and office staff, during my time the staff restaurant was subject to a lot of criticism so perhaps it's a "don't like it, fine we'll get rid of it" move. I would add it was valued by some people who perhaps relied on it, it was also a great way of reducing food waste which is inevitable it the current stadium after matchdays, it also helped retain staff, something the club struggles with (as the food hygiene rating demonstrates) and served as an opportunity to train apprentices.
But it’s okay, the staff aren’t allowed to have some of the buffet for their lunch anymore, I’m sure that will make all the difference…
Let’s hope they know what they’re doing, it will backfire massively if we’re not 100000x better in the next 3 years, it will get real ugly, real quick.