Club ownership | Senior management team talk

So, as I understand that we are screwed and there is no light at the end of the tunnel?

Any ideas what the fanbase can do to change it? Or just keeping it in the forum?

I have no information what's the stance of bigger fanclubs, which organise the banners, the chants etc etc - are they in Redcafe as well? Do you have a regular chat with them on these topics?

Because if there is dissatisfaction with the board, the club, then it must be made heard as well. Otherwise the discussion here is pointless as it doesn't bring any change. When there actually is a chance to make it.

I don't live in the UK, don't attend the games as I live abroad and hence won't have a voice to make heard or the reasonable possibility to attend the protests, the events and so on. I won't support the club by buying stuff from the store and so on, it's what I can do.

Instead of endless conversation here, maybe start gathering the crowd and organise the protests? Really, that makes the difference. Pressure INEOS and Glazers as long as it takes. Get the bodies behind the cause and things start to happen. Organise.

I think the fanbase abroad can vote with their money, pretty much as you have been doing. Local fanbase can organize protests, be vocal during games, and maybe boycott season tickets sales but not much more.

In the end the route to get the club back is:

1. Clear the debt. For that you need at least a 2 to 3 year plan where INEOS transfers as much money as they can from United to their other business, while the Glazers pay a proportion of the debt that keeps them being majority owners.

2. Once the debt is clear the club becomes attractive to the market again and it will likely attract new buyers. That's the chance for Glazers or Glazers/INEOS to sell and go home with a big fat paycheck. Considering the length of the process plus due diligences we're talking 1 to 2 years more.

3. Now that 1 and 2 are complete hopefully someone with both money and a vision of what to do control the club. That's the moment to start working in order to accomplish that vision. The first order of the day should be refurbishing or rebuilding Old Trafford, which would be one of the main profit generators of future United. This includes negotiations with the city, the government, the banks and financial institutions, and the sponsors (if you want to sell naming rights to the stadium, the field, the stands of the press rooms). A deal could take a year and the whole process could take 2 (for refurbishing) to 5 (for rebuilding) years.

4. Parallel to 1-3, the situation on the field and the squad needs to be assessed and for that a football person should be designated as a Director of Football, with a clear mandate to build the football structure that United will be playing 10 years from now and to reorient all football efforts in that direction. Hopefully this has to be someone that has done this before, hopefully (but not necessarily) in the Premier and ideally without the need of insane amounts of money (as most of it will be focused in points 1 to 3). I would be seriously looking at what the managers of teams like Villa, Brighton, Brentford and Forest have been doing lately.

5. For points 1 to 4 to be possible, decent performances in the Premier league (top half at least) at a relatively low cost will be needed. For that, revolutionary approaches to squad managing should be avoided. Caretaker managers or old, proven, winning-ugly managers should do the trick until the economics from 1-3 and the managing from 4 settle in.
 
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Read what Ratcliffe promised Nice fans when he took over and then look where they have been in the seasons following...
Argh ok. Don’t know what he said to them. But he promised us things that doesn’t seem to be happening.
 
Poor performances domestically and lower league finishes could cripple the commercial interests with the club which should disrupt the projected value of the club in the foreseeable future (what Glazers are banking on).

It's difficult to imagine how to rectify the ownership situation, Glazers putting the club up for sale was the best thing that's happened to the club in the last two decades. Sir Jim buying a minority stake coincides with one of the worst occurrences for the club in recent history.

I don't believe there's any truth to INEOS having an option to acquire the club outright, there wasn't any credible information to support this at the time of the sale and hasn't been any since to my knowledge.

The team collapsing could force the issue, hate to be a doom mongering merchant but relegation is 100% worth it in Amorim's tenure if it forces the the shareholders out. Though it's increasingly unrealistic it's a possibility when you account for the stadium redevelopment (which will restrict the club in the transfer market), the interest on the debt and if there's further annual losses.
 
What does this mean? There actually 4th in there league. Better than we are
2016 4th
2017 3rd
2018 8th
2019 7th
2020 6th INEOS
2021 9th
2022 5th
2023 9th
2024 5th

Before INEOS, they already secured 4th and 3rd once. Never did under INEOS.
 
Not sure the Qatar sheikh was real or not. It was reported that he would cleared our debts, establish proper football structure, invest in new stadium and make funds available for signings. It sounds much better than the Ineos and Glazers partnership.

Hope soon SJR will realize that he taken up something too big for him to handle and decide to sell. Hope some real billionaire or consortium who knows how to run a football club would be interested to buy Man Utd.