Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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Someone explain to me how the quote above matches with picking Amorim to coach our current squad, knowing our current finances make it pretty much impossible to refresh the squad. Please.
We were promised best in class and cohesive planning. Instead we've continued to lurch from one thing to another.
The performance of a business reflects its direction at the top. What we're seeing right now is the culmination of terrible decisions, a few big ones from Ineos in there included.
Or from the same agency.
Ratcliffe is a chemist and a businessman who has bought big(ish) companies, stripped them to bare bones to make them profitable again without adding much. He has absolutely 0 achievements in the world of Football.
The whole idea of the "game model" seems to have completely gone out the window and now they're just winging it
Ineos aren't very good at this sports thing, with cycling and F1 they got into good teams and there now pretty average, with us they got a mismanaged team and it's been a complete shit storm
Brexit Jim.
Some of you berated posters that wanted a Qatar takeover. It was clear that when Jim gave up on the full sale he became Jimmy Glazer. Married into the family.
If Jim doesn’t buy the club outright and clear the debt down in the next 6 months, we may never recover.
Some of you berated posters that wanted a Qatar takeover. It was clear that when Jim gave up on the full sale he became Jimmy Glazer. Married into the family.
If Jim doesn’t buy the club outright and clear the debt down in the next 6 months, we may never recover.
Get rid of these owners he can go along with the Glazers, middle eastern ownership or whoever.
Very simply we are fecked forver with the current ownership structure and the debt.
Maybe if Ineo owned the whole club and cleared the debt we could start to improve again but I've no idea if they could do it either.
Basically we are back to needing the Glazers and potentially now Ineos as well to sell the club to someone else.
We have no money and the level of debt insures that will be the case for the next 5-10 years unless it's cleared. With the Glazers on charge we know that won't ever happen
Maybe if Ineo owned the whole club and cleared the debt we could start to improve again but I've no idea if they could do it either.
Basically we are back to needing the Glazers and potentially now Ineos as well to sell the club to someone else.
We have no money and the level of debt insures that will be the case for the next 5-10 years unless it's cleared. With the Glazers on charge we know that won't ever happen
Does anyone think this lot might actually look into a full sale when we get relegated?
100%. I remember that 'game model' being such a big theme that Ten Hag was getting asked about it every week. Totally vanished.
Nothing at this club looks joined up.
Its hard to see how we went for Amorim given all the constraints around the first team, and there's no sense that the academy is being prepped to provide what we're too broke to get from the market.
I dare anyone to show how what we've done under Ineos is more coherent or shows greater thought than what Woodward and Arnold did.
Agreed on all points, we just need to see how pans out. I really hope they don’t go crazy with the ST prices, we’re weighing up whether we’d keep ours if they put prices up to £66+ per game.
I get the anger towards some decisions but I’ve thought about it and I’m just going to trust that they’re steps we need to take and there’s a plan in place. All we can do is trust them or just get riled up at every decision, but until we know the outcome I’m not getting myself worked up needlessly.
If I remember correctly we were told there is a clear path for Brexit Jim to get full ownership.
I don’t think he can get the credit line to afford us.
I don’t think he can get the credit line to afford us.
If they can get a £10b loan maybe…
I had them getting a loan for the new stadium but now they need to buy the whole club and pay off over a billion in debt too.
Glazer won’t put any money in to ease the financial pressure. Jimmy not going to put money in when he’s still a minority owner.
We need a new buyer.
Relegation is the only way out of this mess. Glazers would sell.
No logic in waiting until the club gets relegated. The asking price would drop dramatically.
Ineos are in dire situation financially, so they will not buy us out. The rats family will not invest their own money. Jim saved the rats from being forced to a full sale and promised the fans that he will hire the best in class people to run the club. Today we have what we have. The rats, Jim and our best in class management are dragging us closer to relegation zone.
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I doubt there would be many takers for the club with the debts it has. In fact relegation would probably see an exodus of sponsors as few would want to be associated with the mess the club is in. That club would be more likely enter into administration. The debt and ability to pay debt interests without PL money would be unsustainable. The players on long contracts would still have to be paid, it wouldn't be easy to offload any of them.
There should be criminal investigations launched into corruption and conflict of interests and misappropriation of funds at the club in the last twelve years or so
So, is the soul of the club safe yet then?
It seems this is our Venky moment. They will end up torching the club.
The way things are going with Amorim, the whole situation with Ashworth worth looks worse and worse as we continue.
Maybe then we will be sold off to a billionaire who can actually afford us and he gets to buy us at a realistic price and thus help us get us back.
With good reason. There are more important things in life than your football team winning all the time. Human rights, which you may take for granted, are one of them.
Also, please don't use 'Brexit' as an insult whilst talking up Qatar's theocratic dictatorship.
This is no defence of Ineos (I don't support them, Qatar or the Glazers). They've been poor thus far, but there are legitimate concerns about turning our club into a pr vehicle for some regime and people are well within their rights to air them.
They weren't going to buy us out any way but gradually. If they had the clout they'd stump it up.
Another Glazer, probably, thinking, like Ratcliffe, with a saviour complex.
Just a quick question, what is it about the way PSG is run that makes you think it’s used as a PR vehicle?
We've brought back the Manchester in Manchester United at least...
The real villains are the Glazers.
SJR is obviously a smart man. I think he will learn from his mistakes. I dont think Amorim will last beyond the end of the season.
There is no point in getting rid now, but theres no way they will give him money and decision making based on the performances so far.
I think they will have a more attacking 433/4231 manager lined up.
There is no point in getting rid now, but theres no way they will give him money and decision making based on the performances so far.
I think they will have a more attacking 433/4231 manager lined up.
The squad has to be dismantled, it’s full of dross and there’s no hope for any manager to have any sustained success with this lot. We need players with a completely different profile and it’s going to take a while unfortunately.
Amorim is shooting himself in the foot at times but he’ll be given a chance next season to see if he can improve with some different options. It probably won’t work out but if he was sacked in the summer I’m sure any successor won’t last long either as it’s just too big a job.
The club has chosen to go down this path now so they have to see it through, they need a huge emphasis on offloading players in the summer and need to be prepared to move quickly for new signings.
Amorim is shooting himself in the foot at times but he’ll be given a chance next season to see if he can improve with some different options. It probably won’t work out but if he was sacked in the summer I’m sure any successor won’t last long either as it’s just too big a job.
The club has chosen to go down this path now so they have to see it through, they need a huge emphasis on offloading players in the summer and need to be prepared to move quickly for new signings.
Much better. Thanks
Since people seem to be bringing up the Qatar topic again, I feel it worthwhile to share how my feelings have changed on this matter. I will use Qatar in place of Jassim here since my assumption was always that it was a bid backed by them, which now has me wondering if that was even the case and what exactly was Jassim’s plan, but let’s pretend it was definitely state backed.
At the time, I was happy with either option, as I felt like anything would be an improvement on the Glazers. I had a slight preference towards the Qatar bid as I felt like they would have the resources to pump into the club and get things going again (And I have enough going on in my life that I can just have the cognitive dissonance to take the football for what it is without thinking about what our owners were getting up to in their country), but I was alright with Jim because he was saying all the right things. Admittedly it was kinda annoying that he seemed to effectively offer the Glazers a lifeline when they might have had to reduce their ridiculous valuation without him giving them an option to stay on, but again, not the point of this post.
Since then, we have seen the scope of City’s cheating come to light, but more importantly than that, we have seen them attempt to bully the very league we play in with their statements, lawsuits and PR pieces that they get out into the public so frequently. It can’t be called anything but them attempting to bully the league and make a mockery of everything that football should be about. And thinking further along those lines, if something were to come to a vote about something to be done about city or having some rules put in place to not allow what they are doing to happen again, then with Qatar as our owners, we would likely vote with city, Newcastle and fecking Chelsea on these matters, and vote against pretty much the rest of English football, who, while they are not saints, at least aren’t trying to bully the league and pretend like they should be above the rules.
For that reason, because anything we had to make a decision on going forward would have us on the side of city and that ilk, I don’t think I can ever come around to being alright with state backed ownership again. Liverpool and Arsenal have done pretty fecking well competing with the cheats without having state ownership, real show them their place in Europe every time they meet without being owned by one of them. All we need to do is start making the right decisions, which is easier said than done, but it’s not impossible. I can live with the struggles rather than looking at the club siding with clubs like city and Newcastle on things like this.
At the time, I was happy with either option, as I felt like anything would be an improvement on the Glazers. I had a slight preference towards the Qatar bid as I felt like they would have the resources to pump into the club and get things going again (And I have enough going on in my life that I can just have the cognitive dissonance to take the football for what it is without thinking about what our owners were getting up to in their country), but I was alright with Jim because he was saying all the right things. Admittedly it was kinda annoying that he seemed to effectively offer the Glazers a lifeline when they might have had to reduce their ridiculous valuation without him giving them an option to stay on, but again, not the point of this post.
Since then, we have seen the scope of City’s cheating come to light, but more importantly than that, we have seen them attempt to bully the very league we play in with their statements, lawsuits and PR pieces that they get out into the public so frequently. It can’t be called anything but them attempting to bully the league and make a mockery of everything that football should be about. And thinking further along those lines, if something were to come to a vote about something to be done about city or having some rules put in place to not allow what they are doing to happen again, then with Qatar as our owners, we would likely vote with city, Newcastle and fecking Chelsea on these matters, and vote against pretty much the rest of English football, who, while they are not saints, at least aren’t trying to bully the league and pretend like they should be above the rules.
For that reason, because anything we had to make a decision on going forward would have us on the side of city and that ilk, I don’t think I can ever come around to being alright with state backed ownership again. Liverpool and Arsenal have done pretty fecking well competing with the cheats without having state ownership, real show them their place in Europe every time they meet without being owned by one of them. All we need to do is start making the right decisions, which is easier said than done, but it’s not impossible. I can live with the struggles rather than looking at the club siding with clubs like city and Newcastle on things like this.
Please dont remind us of success every day, stop it, we are trying to lower the expectation.
He won't mind any potential sponsor signing up reminding him of those very successes though.
Pathetic mediocrity embracing donkeys, them and the Glazers are perfect for each others.
how long before they ban him from games claiming he is a distraction
I don't even know why, but there is something about this guy that makes my stomach turn.
Imagine that, wanting to be successful.
The only thing they should be doing is find ways to get lots of money to invest in the team in summer. We need at least 6 or 7 players