Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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I'll be six feet under by then.
he has the looks, and that had all the energy of a nonce being harassed after being lured to meet a 12 year-old girl by a paedo hunting social media account.
I might be reading between the lines but he said he’s going to meet the president ….and he’s going to ask Trump for a billion to make off the debt I reckon
Let me spell out.
Glazers = Emperor Palpatine
INEOS = Darth Vador
That’s the evil empire. Led by the (Glazers) emperor who stays away, with INEOS being muscle doing the dirty work and the face people see and attribute to everything.
But INEOS / Ratcliffe had put/call option to buy the club within 2 years. The drivel people spout when they are brainwashed
Our biggest problems stem from the toxic contracts we have with players that are under-delivering. Get rid OF Casemiro, Mount, Rashford, Sancho and Hoijlund and replace them with cheaper but hungrier replacements and we will be fine in the medium term.
Unfortunately that takes time to do because we are short of cash and we actually need buyers for those players.
It can't be stressed enough the importance of bringing in a few players across the spine of the team to address the physical and technical limitations of the team. If we do this in the summer by buying four players in defense, midfield and attack eg a quicker CCB who can also play it out comfortably, a technical midfielder to help the build up, another #10 to create and score goals and a 20 goal per season striker things will start to look up.
At the moment, the media will have a field day because results aren't coming in. The actions being taken by INEOS whilst drastic seem necessary because we can't easily deal with the real wasters in the squad. The key to our recovery lies in building a team that can compete at the upper echelons of PL and CL competitions and that team should be young enough to stay together for at least 5 seasons.
Unfortunately that takes time to do because we are short of cash and we actually need buyers for those players.
It can't be stressed enough the importance of bringing in a few players across the spine of the team to address the physical and technical limitations of the team. If we do this in the summer by buying four players in defense, midfield and attack eg a quicker CCB who can also play it out comfortably, a technical midfielder to help the build up, another #10 to create and score goals and a 20 goal per season striker things will start to look up.
At the moment, the media will have a field day because results aren't coming in. The actions being taken by INEOS whilst drastic seem necessary because we can't easily deal with the real wasters in the squad. The key to our recovery lies in building a team that can compete at the upper echelons of PL and CL competitions and that team should be young enough to stay together for at least 5 seasons.
every so often they have to revert to their lizard forms in a pair.
I am going to say yes to all your questions given you seem so rational. Ineos sailing has not been a success, in cycling they turned a previously successful team unsuccessful, for Mercedes f1 they are a minority investor and don't run things
I’d honestly rather we replaced them with Lacey, Obi-Martin, Kone, Ibragimov, Biancheri, Heaven and Amass who whilst all young are hungry with massive potential. I’d much rather coach younger players to realise that potential then keep buying big names or rewarding our mediocre players with big contracts for brief purple patches.
We’ve paid out a billion since they took over. Sure we’ve spent more on transfers, but do you honestly think we’d be in this position if that billion didn’t get taken out of the club?
I’m not talking about rectifying debt, that’s clearly been a non starter and won’t ever happen unless we get an owner who wipes the debt.
The bottom line is that a billion has come out of the club. We wouldn’t be making these cuts if that didn’t happen. We could have had a new stadium and been reaping the benefits financially, like Madrid, if it wasn’t for that billion coming out of the club.
It depends on what we'd have done with that billion. Spread over 20 years, maybe it would have meant us signing an extra player here and there. Looking at how our signings panned out during the last decade, well...
Replace four experienced professionals (whatever you think of them) with entirely untested youth players? Yeah, what could possibly go wrong.
I'm all for promoting youth but there's a middle ground here ffs.
No. Drop in credit rating is a big deal. Your future cost of borrowing becomes higher as a result.
And ineos has a substantial amount of outstanding loans that will need to be refinanced in 2025.
That's the issue.
Holy shit these guys are awful.
It’s the same challenge that’s facing a lot of large companies and industrial groups in the current global economic climate.
The industrial situation in Europe is not good, with manufacturing activity and output shrinking.
INEOS are making moves to offload a couple of their businesses, which is a typical balancing exercise when large business groups face these sort of pressures.
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Time to start our protest again against the Glazers for saddling us with out of control debts. Also, protest against Ineos with their incompetency on running the football side of the club.
Arabs bad. Florida British mans good. Deserving for a majority of fans who were adamant about rationalizing and glorifying the Ineos deal.
2021 style protests before the Liverpool game at every home game, shutting them down would be a good statement.
I believe it's got to that point now. The debt is crippling to everything we need to do.
Everyone should walk out before half time and not come back. Also don't buy anything from the shop or food and drinks. Even don't use the car parks if possible.
Perhaps print a load of flyers and try to get them stuffed into the programs or try to hand them out before the game or something.
We need to come up with big ideas so the protests are always seen and reported.
A small march isn't going to do anything. Games need to be disrupted on a regular basis.
Precisely. Energy costs make it too expensive to have their production in Europe. But to uproot and move, unlike other sectors, is near impossible, especially in their capex-intensive industry. Its a gloomy outlook for the foreseeable future. Then a massive chunk of their billions of dollars in loans is due this year.
SJR may actually age quicker than Ruben at this rate.
I mentioned a couple of years ago that INEOS's best option is to sell out to one of the Big Oil/Supermajors. They are just too small to survive in the long term.
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Would not surprise me if they will begin selling all of our talent and sees that as our future. Buying cheap and try to sell expensive. Titles and Champions is too far of now, so being a mid table club and generating cash from a slim workforce and income from player sales seems like a plan they could come up with.
We being Brentford on steroids.
We being Brentford on steroids.
So you think at Manutd they have a majority ? 28% is Majority?
At least I know where you stand...
Have they won stuff in those? Yes...
We may become Brentford, but with a bloated ego.
No but they still run the show at United. They don't at Mercedes. That's the point, the success of Mercedes doesn't say us anything about their ability to manage United
They run footballing operations.. not the show. The Glazers are still in charge.
Also, if I use that metric that you and the other poster are using then you guys must think Glazers are amazing right? because their American football team is successful, won the superbowl in 2020 and NFC South Division champions recently as 2024.
Almost... they could be amazing if they cared about United instead of treating it like a bank account
I like the lads but I think they are a few years away from contributing let alone start as a significant part of our spine. Eventually they will take these places because some of them are generational talents in their own rights.
I personally think that as a rule you should make every post on here a star wars reference.
Right so there is a possibility that an owner wants one sporting business to succeed more than another?
So its not always judged on what the owners do in other sporting adventures ? But INEOS should be beaten by that stick?
Ok boss
My only point is that INEOS can't be judged based on the performance of a team they don't actively manage.
If you include Mercedes, you have to include Spurs as well and you don't do that either.
That’s not what I’m suggesting at all. A forward thinking owner could have continued the redevelopment of Old Trafford and completely paid it off by now, boosting revenues even further. It could have kept the training ground up to standard.
Our luck is rotten to the core.
2 extremely shits owners in a row who destroy our club.
Post SAF, all our managers spent hundreds of millions and can't even play decent football.
We keep saying dross with records fees and stupid wages. After spent more than 1 bil and we have zero superstar
2 extremely shits owners in a row who destroy our club.
Post SAF, all our managers spent hundreds of millions and can't even play decent football.
We keep saying dross with records fees and stupid wages. After spent more than 1 bil and we have zero superstar
And my point is you dont compare what they have done with other sporting... if you do that you should also compare the Glazers with other sporting ventures...
Why only compare the minority owners ? suits the agenda thats why.
I honestly think we are finished as a top club. It breaks my heart to say it, but we are finished. The Glazer vampires are finally sucking the last bit of life force out of the club.
Did I say that they should be starting games ? Rashford, Casemiro, Mount, Antony and Lindelof offer absolutely nothing so bringing the kids up to pack the squad out and further their potential with first team games when the club are broke so can’t bring in experienced players to replace others can work as seen most recently with Garnacho and Mainoo.