Climate Change | UN Report: Code Red for humanity

Watched a PBS Frontline 3-part series on the Power of Big Oil. It's fascinating how the same narratives and figures pop up over and over again on all these issues. Again you have the Koch brothers doing their shenanigans to oppose climate change policies. Again you have the invented "socialism" narrative on green policies and how they don't align with "American values and freedom".

The parts on the shale revolution are very interesting. Wasn't aware of how hurricane Katrina also played a role in fuelling it (no pun intended).
 
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Sweet Square said:
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It's pretty obvious except to rich people it seems. Still, as the people at large become ever more aware of the need to reverse climate change, there will still be hope for governments to take real action. As long as democracy still exists anyway.
 
utdalltheway said:
Has anyone on here been re-thinking their long term plans whether it’s retirement or having kids?
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I can understand the kid aspect (although really most countries need new kids) but why retirement out of interest?

For the people alive today they'll only feel very mild impacts.
 
Massive Spanner said:
That really depends on the country.
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Exactly right. Say, if you live in Northern Europe and plan to retire somewhere in Southern Europe you (as an old person in particular) are going to be in for some very uncomfortable summers with potentially dangerous temperatures. We're already seeing it.
 
VorZakone said:
Watched a PBS Frontline 3-part series on the Power of Big Oil. It's fascinating how the same narratives and figures pop up over and over again on all these issues. Again you have the Koch brothers doing their shenanigans to oppose climate change policies. Again you have the invented "socialism" narrative on green policies and how they don't align with "American values and freedom".

The parts on the shale revolution are very interesting. Wasn't aware of how hurricane Katrina also played a role in fuelling it (no pun intended).
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I think you'd like this book

https://www.amazon.com.au/Merchants-Doubt-Handful-Scientists-Obscured/dp/1596916109
 
Massive Spanner said:
That really depends on the country.
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Not in my classification of 'mild' but that's subjective and I'm stretching it to habitable which is a low bar. I'm still probably talking shit though, in 50 years some places will be unliveable in the summer but we'll adjust (or at least those who can afford it will).

Short term economic concerns will override long term negative impacts. If governments need to turn to geoengineering in our lifetime they will. It's a question of when not if.
 
SirAF said:
Exactly right. Say, if you live in Northern Europe and plan to retire somewhere in Southern Europe you (as an old person in particular) are going to be in for some very uncomfortable summers with potentially dangerous temperatures. We're already seeing it.
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That’s kind of what I was thinking about. Current plans will have us in Spain. Not that I like the summers in southern Spain so maybe Galicia all year round, or Ireland or ???
 
utdalltheway said:
That’s kind of what I was thinking about. Current plans will have us in Spain. Not that I like the summers in southern Spain so maybe Galicia all year round, or Ireland or ???
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Are you looking to leave the US when you're retired, mate?
 
As fast as I can. I’m ready. The wife is not quite there yet as she has to put in more time at her job to get the pension.
 
Alternative theory.

LETTER: Have fossil fuels actually helped save the planet?​

I know the common narrative these days is that fossil fuels have helped to destroy this planet, but I actually think they may have saved it.

Imagine if wood was the only fuel available, there would not be a tree or any other burnable plant left on the planet.

That would result in massive desertification and erosion of the planet.

Name and address supplied​


https://www.expressandstar.com/news...em_3_rw812N0Gylg7BBbjml3A#lzvlj7t82tk7uxf2cpm
 
Jippy said:
Alternative theory.

LETTER: Have fossil fuels actually helped save the planet?​

I know the common narrative these days is that fossil fuels have helped to destroy this planet, but I actually think they may have saved it.

Imagine if wood was the only fuel available, there would not be a tree or any other burnable plant left on the planet.

That would result in massive desertification and erosion of the planet.

Name and address supplied​


https://www.expressandstar.com/news...em_3_rw812N0Gylg7BBbjml3A#lzvlj7t82tk7uxf2cpm
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Fossil fuels have been by far one of the best contributors to human development. But their time as the dominant player must come to an end. These people are simply stuck in the past and would rather argue semantics about positives and negatives because it shifts the debate away from anything meaningful.
 
VorZakone said:
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It matters little in terms of what life will soon look like because of climate change. This idea that we can keep consummerism at an all time high and possibly consume even more as growth is core to every economic policy, is ridiculous. We can either find a way to willingly live more modest lifestyles or we will be forced to by Earth itself.
 


In its annual report, the UN warned that the goal of limiting global warming to 1.5C “will soon be dead”

It warned the world was currently on track for temperature rises of 2.6C to 3.1C, depending on how much of the currently promised climate action is delivered.

Countries agreed to limit temperature rises to "well below" 2C and pursue efforts to curb them to 1.5C above pre-industrial levels at the Paris climate talks in 2015.

More concerning, the rate of growth since 2022 was nearly twice as fast as in the decade preceding the COVID pandemic.
 
Jericholyte2 said:


In its annual report, the UN warned that the goal of limiting global warming to 1.5C “will soon be dead”

It warned the world was currently on track for temperature rises of 2.6C to 3.1C, depending on how much of the currently promised climate action is delivered.

Countries agreed to limit temperature rises to "well below" 2C and pursue efforts to curb them to 1.5C above pre-industrial levels at the Paris climate talks in 2015.

More concerning, the rate of growth since 2022 was nearly twice as fast as in the decade preceding the COVID pandemic.
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Goodness me this is depressing. But it is undoubtedly the case that humanity has lost control of the increase in CO2 levels.
 
Buster15 said:
Goodness me this is depressing. But it is undoubtedly the case that humanity has lost control of the increase in CO2 levels.
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I don’t think anyone has lost control of anything. We’ve wilfully increased output even as calls to stop came louder and louder.

Look at things like ghost flights - airlines deliberately flying thousands of empty flights simply to keep their runway allocations intact.

We are driving towards the cliff edge and literally pushing the acceleration pedal.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I don’t think anyone has lost control of anything. We’ve wilfully increased output even as calls to stop came louder and louder.

Look at things like ghost flights - airlines deliberately flying thousands of empty flights simply to keep their runway allocations intact.

We are driving towards the cliff edge and literally pushing the acceleration pedal.
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It is clear that the pledges made at the recent COPs are not being adhered to.
So whatever way we look at it, we, humanity are failing to limit the global temperature rises to between 1.5 to 2.0C.
 
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/1113/1480649-cop29-baku/

Global carbon dioxide emissions, including those from burning fossil fuels, are set to hit a record high this year, pulling the world further off course from averting more destructive climate extremes, scientists said.

The Global Carbon Budget report, published during the UN's COP29 climate summit in Azerbaijan, said global CO2 emissions are set to total 41.6 billion metric tons in 2024, up from 40.6 billion tons last year.
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Everything is fine. Totally fine.
 
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