The Cloud now has a greater carbon footprint than the airline industry apparently
That is just mad.
The Cloud now has a greater carbon footprint than the airline industry apparently
That's not surprising. Every single email sat in your inbox will be there forever, sat on a server that requires continuous power to run. Multiply that by everyone in the world with an email address. Then add every single video uploaded to youtube, every file on G-Drive or Teams or Dropbox. All continually powered on just in case you ever need to access them. It's going to be multiplying exponentially from here on, too.The Cloud now has a greater carbon footprint than the airline industry apparently
Combine that with the (imo) dumb idea around AI, Crypto and constant IT shit we don't need and we're just adding excess computation and information for the sake of it.That's not surprising. Every single email sat in your inbox will be there forever, sat on a server that requires continuous power to run. Multiply that by everyone in the world with an email address. Then add every single video uploaded to youtube, every file on G-Drive or Teams or Dropbox. All continually powered on just in case you ever need to access them. It's going to be multiplying exponentially from here on, too.
It gives me great justification to ask people to stop CCing me into emails at work that I've no need to be in.Combine that with the (imo) dumb idea around AI, Crypto and constant IT shit we don't need and we're just adding excess computation and information for the sake of it.
I'd suggest we do three days a year solstice with no power, no internet etc.
Combine that with the (imo) dumb idea around AI, Crypto and constant IT shit we don't need and we're just adding excess computation and information for the sake of it.
I'd suggest we do three days a year solstice with no power, no internet etc.
That'll show them."the stakes could not be higher" says organisation that allowed a veto by Russia on denying nuclear proliferation in outer space the other day.
feck them all, feck the UN, feck every single government on the planet, I am happily chucking every piece of plastic I own in the bin and drinking out of plastic straws, you are nothing but a disposable work slave to them anyway look at what they let you "own" now.
I do the little I can to hasten the apocalypse. I'm doing MY part! If everyone else would do the same I'm sure we can push climate change to 2025, come on people I believe in you!That'll show them.
GazTheLegend is not really too much in the wrong.
Climate change will never be sorted out, or shall I say, capitalism/consummerism will never sort climate change out, as long as the basic idea is to keep business as usual in terms of lifestyle. Yes, mega companies have brought us there, but through catering to our needs, or convincing us that we should perceive many unnecessary things as our needs.
Nobody is thinking on how life should be changed, how we should adapt our egos and wants and live more modest lives. Well, that wouldn't sit well with capitalism, so for current system, it is a no-go from the beginning.
And that should not be a problem in a world where we know how to create zero carbon energy - from nuclear, wind and solar. The problem isn't that the Cloud is using too much energy, or bitcoin is wasting too much energy, it is that we haven't been increasing zero carbon baseload power for long enough. I doubt whether anyone in France, for example, has ever had to think about the carbon footprint of their server farms, because they solved that problem in the 1970s.The Cloud now has a greater carbon footprint than the airline industry apparently
I mean it's futile either way, but the idea that anyone in charge will notice you're having a little tantrum about it is just as silly.I do the little I can to hasten the apocalypse. I'm doing MY part! If everyone else would do the same I'm sure we can push climate change to 2025, come on people I believe in you!
I don't really think technology will save us this time. We are never going to build up to capacities which may be necessary, and even then, the number of uncertainties is huge. About your other post, well I do agree that nobody is going back, but i just don't think science nor technology have the answers for what is going on.I think we are going to have to let go of the idea that we can solve climate change through lifestyle changes alone, I think that's over. It's going to take technology, and geoengineering, and huge amounts of it. And that is going to be very expensive. And even then some stuff will be just too far gone to be fixed.
The other part of all of this is that the world is nowhere near doing enough and wont really react globally until the shit actually hits the fan. Huge sacrifices are needed now so the damage for our grandchildrens children generation is limited. We just dont want to or dont believe we have to make those sacrifices yet.I don't really think technology will save us this time. We are never going to build up to capacities which may be necessary, and even then, the number of uncertainties is huge. About your other post, well I do agree that nobody is going back, but i just don't think science nor technology have the answers for what is going on.
GazTheLegend is not really too much in the wrong.
Climate change will never be sorted out, or shall I say, capitalism/consummerism will never sort climate change out, as long as the basic idea is to keep business as usual in terms of lifestyle. Yes, mega companies have brought us there, but through catering to our needs, or convincing us that we should perceive many unnecessary things as our needs.
Any talk about mitigating effects of climate change (and I think we are way past that point anyway) that doesn't start with degrowing the economy and seriously attempting to cut down consumer culture is doomed to fail from the very start.
That said, I am absolutely not trying to pin the guilt on the average Joe. A huge portion of world's population doesn't have a choice anyway.
This is incorrect. The thing about climate change is that literally any amount of mitigation is better than nothing. Going "ah well we can't fix it, so why bother trying?" is how you end up with a 3.5 degree increase hellscape. We are certainly well past reaching the 1.5 degree goal, and probably even 2 degrees, but the consequences just get exponentially worse the higher we let it go.
Also, weird to rant about the UN allowing Russia to veto. Them’s the rules, and they can’t just toss them out. It is what it is, and they’d have to reform before you can do that, unless you want to open up for tyranny according to the whims of those at the top.
This is incorrect. The thing about climate change is that literally any amount of mitigation is better than nothing. Going "ah well we can't fix it, so why bother trying?" is how you end up with a 3.5 degree increase hellscape. We are certainly well past reaching the 1.5 degree goal, and probably even 2 degrees, but the consequences just get exponentially worse the higher we let it go.
From Yes MinisterYeah, making people think that is part of the playbook. First deny the climate is changing, second deny humans have an impact, third you admit we do but that it’s futile and will only add economic woes on top. The stages of grief for greedy fecks.
Also, weird to rant about the UN allowing Russia to veto. Them’s the rules, and they can’t just toss them out. It is what it is, and they’d have to reform before you can do that, unless you want to open up for tyranny according to the whims of those at the top.
Do people just not understand sarcasm anymore? I'm just being vaguely facetious about this modern trend of pretending somehow that there's any moral high ground to be gained by recycling plastic / using cardboard drinking straws all while rockets and missiles are being fired at the 1200bhp tanks burning through oil, and fighting next to a nuclear plant, there's attempts to move weapons of war off planet. By the United nations, for instance.I mean it's futile either way, but the idea that anyone in charge will notice you're having a little tantrum about it is just as silly.
Will technology save us? Don't know. Is technology the only thing that can save us? Increasingly, I think so (although it'll come with costs of its own). The amazing switchover to solar and wind is one example - that's not happening because the UN wanted it to, it's happening because solar is now so cheap, and cheap batteries are becoming ubiquitous, it's mad not to install it. Having said that, no technology can stop the rise in sea levels, but maybe technology can make it easier to live with the consequences.I don't really think technology will save us this time. We are never going to build up to capacities which may be necessary, and even then, the number of uncertainties is huge. About your other post, well I do agree that nobody is going back, but i just don't think science nor technology have the answers for what is going on.
Do people just not understand sarcasm anymore? I'm just being vaguely facetious about this modern trend of pretending somehow that there's any moral high ground to be gained by recycling plastic / using cardboard drinking straws all while rockets and missiles are being fired at the 1200bhp tanks burning through oil, and fighting next to a nuclear plant, there's attempts to move weapons of war off planet. By the United nations, for instance.
It's at best a complicated and extremely nuanced discussion to have because really when people say things like "we must"... They're usually people who drive their company Tesla and drink soy lattes and think that's enough. What "we must" in actuality means is "we must drive those people right on the edge of poverty into oblivion, because the planet can't sustain our endless attempts at growth". If you say "we must destroy billions of lives in order to preserve the future generations" you're on the right lines but it feels vaguely marvel-villain esque. Who am I to tell people in poverty their gas and food prices are going to become ruinous so that my progeny have a 1% better chance at existing beyond the 22nd century?
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