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I've never both totally agreed and disagreed with a post like the ones from @Cait Sith.

I definitely think that if the big polluters (China, India, US and soon Indonesia and Brazil) don't drastically cut the CO2 emission, then whatever Europe do will mean next to nothing. I also think that the solution is not using less energy, but making incentives to use CO2-free produced energy, be it solar, fission and hopefully soon fusion. Some people going vegetarians and the random Joe not going to holidays in Thailand will mean feck all in grand scheme of things. Instead put a shitload of money on alternative energies, that has to be the only long-term solution.

Also, the protests were very politicised (especially in US) which gave (rightfully so) the right wing media a clear day on calling it a sham.
 
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Cait Sith said:
It's all a big scam unfortunately.

90 % of the masses that are "protesting" are young people having a big get-together and a reason to party.

If you are a parent and your child wants your permission to participate in such a school strike on Fridays, please don't forget to tell him that New Year's Eve fireworks are out of question and his time on the Playstation will be cut and no new phone until his old one is completely broken in 10 years. Also no holiday flights. Because either you are serious about it and know what you want to protest for or you don't go. You don't fake-participate to miss school or have a big party with friends. Actions have consequenses and children should be taught that.

The Green politicians in Germany are the ones with the most flight mileages in the parliament. All politicians are driven around in armored S class luxury cars.

The big faces of these movements use it for personal gains. The "German Greta Thunberg", Luisa Neubauer, had her Instagram profile full of pictures with pointless trips around the word, posing around everywhere and showing off. She's deleted them all and went on to TV to preach less flying to rescue the planet. She's got a job as a columnist for a big newspaper now as a 23 year old student who hasn't done anything in her life other than holding her face into a camera to preach.

And the solution is what now? People shall pay additional taxes. Great. All the while Germany is producing 1.5 % of the world wide CO2 emissions (entire EU 9 %). The countries that don't give a feck like India, China and the US produce 50 % of it.

These "movements" are the type of shit initiated by a small priviledged group that strengthens all sort of right wing movements across the world. There are FAR more people not willing to accept paying more and getting less and compromise than there are Western urban liberals willing to turn Vegetarian just because a priviledged media hyped child is preaching on TV.
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Germany has a higher per capita contribution than China though? Never mind historical contributions.

You're also skipping over the fact that protests are not localised they are to pressure elected officials to influence and find global solutions.
 
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Greta will one day be the PM of Sweden.....providing we are all still around.
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That speech brought tears to my eyes... what an absolutely perfect mixture of sorrow, anger, and righteous indignation, all coupled with a concise and eloquent summary of the challenges we're facing.

She's impressive as feck.
 
Dinesh D'Souza is a scumbag... he's basically a slightly less ratty Ben Shapiro. Though this comparison makes me question that assessment.
 
It would be so great if our civilisation managed to live totally on renewable energy and stop polluting nature with our rubbish, and launch huge global preservation projects.. but having some 15 year old child give Jeremy Corbyn style flannel waving speeches is just too much for me. I don't know what's more cringe worthy, the things she says or all the adults who egg her on.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
It would be so great if our civilisation managed to live totally on renewable energy and stop polluting nature with our rubbish, and launch huge global preservation projects.. but having some 15 year old child give Jeremy Corbyn style flannel waving speeches is just too much for me. I don't know what's more cringe worthy, the things she says or all the adults who egg her on.
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You are more cringe worthy IMO with this comment
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
It would be so great if our civilisation managed to live totally on renewable energy and stop polluting nature with our rubbish, and launch huge global preservation projects.. but having some 15 year old child give Jeremy Corbyn style flannel waving speeches is just too much for me. I don't know what's more cringe worthy, the things she says or all the adults who egg her on.
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Surely the worst part is that we adults haven't managed to put someone forward instead of her?
 
I didn't really get the part when she said that they had stolen her dreams and childhood. I mean, they've actually made her childhood pretty epic apart from the whole shitting in a bucket thing, but I've shat in worse. The speech sounded like something from a year 9 Shakespeare production. This is my first time hearing her speak and I'm left thinking what the fuss is all about. Her cause is a good one but I'm puzzled as to why she's the figurehead.
 
P-Ro said:
I didn't really get the part when she said that they had stolen her dreams and childhood. I mean, they've actually made her childhood pretty epic apart from the whole shitting in a bucket thing, but I've shat in worse. The speech sounded like something from a year 9 Shakespeare production. This is my first time hearing her speak and I'm left thinking what the fuss is all about. Her cause is a good one but I'm puzzled as to why she's the figurehead.
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How very dare you
 
P-Ro said:
I didn't really get the part when she said that they had stolen her dreams and childhood. I mean, they've actually made her childhood pretty epic apart from the whole shitting in a bucket thing, but I've shat in worse. The speech sounded like something from a year 9 Shakespeare production. This is my first time hearing her speak and I'm left thinking what the fuss is all about. Her cause is a good one but I'm puzzled as to why she's the figurehead.
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It's better for the image if she is. Keeping the person that spiralled this movement at the head of it despite that speech being a bit cringy is only going to help impact people emotionally.
 
P-Ro said:
I didn't really get the part when she said that they had stolen her dreams and childhood. I mean, they've actually made her childhood pretty epic apart from the whole shitting in a bucket thing, but I've shat in worse. The speech sounded like something from a year 9 Shakespeare production. This is my first time hearing her speak and I'm left thinking what the fuss is all about. Her cause is a good one but I'm puzzled as to why she's the figurehead.
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Because she's able to speak with the moral authority of a person whose future is being stolen unlike a baby boomer or gen Xer.
 
P-Ro said:
I didn't really get the part when she said that they had stolen her dreams and childhood. I mean, they've actually made her childhood pretty epic apart from the whole shitting in a bucket thing, but I've shat in worse. The speech sounded like something from a year 9 Shakespeare production. This is my first time hearing her speak and I'm left thinking what the fuss is all about. Her cause is a good one but I'm puzzled as to why she's the figurehead.
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Maybe a childhood doing what adults should be doing is not what she wants to be doing. Maybe she much rather be at school doing teenage things. She is after all only 16.

I think she is absolutely incredible and her actions and perseverance has really put this issue firmly in the public domain where it should be.
 
P-Ro said:
I didn't really get the part when she said that they had stolen her dreams and childhood. I mean, they've actually made her childhood pretty epic apart from the whole shitting in a bucket thing, but I've shat in worse. The speech sounded like something from a year 9 Shakespeare production. This is my first time hearing her speak and I'm left thinking what the fuss is all about. Her cause is a good one but I'm puzzled as to why she's the figurehead.
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While his present might be epic (and was thanks to her not anyone else), maybe they stole her dreams or living in a normal world and not fecked up with climate change disasters and fight for resources
 
Weirdly I reckon she'd prefer a humdrum life in Sweden to running around trying to make people care about the conscious decimation of our biosphere. I can't believe the point is lost on some people who (supposedly) grasp the seriousness of climate change.

She's raised far more awareness and emotion than anybody thus far. Whether you understand it or not, what she's doing is incredible and laudable.
 
Eriku said:
Weirdly I reckon she'd prefer a humdrum life in Sweden to running around trying to make people care about the conscious decimation of our biosphere. I can't believe the point is lost on some people who (supposedly) grasp the seriousness of climate change.

She's raised far more awareness and emotion than anybody thus far. Whether you understand it or not, what she's doing is incredible and laudable.
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She is bringing greater awareness to the issue among all age groups with her passion.
All she is asking is 'listen to the scientists'
 
Shane88 said:
Dunno, seems weirdly specific to me.
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(and many more in this genre too)
 
Shane88 said:
Don't agree with it.

I'm on the girl's side but shouting "Paedo!" at people who disagree/criticise her is stupid.
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There have been many different conservatives criticisng her, just like many criticised Hogg, among both there was a substantial group that seem to have some deep-seated sexual hatred in their criticsm.
 
She's doing something really important and impressive just through bringing exposure to it on such a regular basis. Far more than any of the arse hole critics in here. I don't think she's a particularly natural leader or motivator so I can't imagine how difficult she finds (or will find) being the voice of that sub-section of the movement. I'm not sure comparisons to MLK are that helpful but hey ho.
 
I dont really get why shes the figurehead either tbh. My criticism for it would be more directed at media, maybe at the absence of an adult saying the same thing. She seems to be getting some attention for the issue so whatever, I'm not picky about the package putting out the message.
Thought the opening of her speech was interesting, 'Were watching you' and the dumb fecks laughed. Bit slow aren't they?
 
Imagine being mad at a 16 year old girl trying to stop the planet from dying.
 
Solius said:
Imagine being mad at a 16 year old girl trying to stop the planet from dying.
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Some people would rather die a painful death than admit that something they (rightly or wrongly) associate with the left is positive in any way.

That comparison with a nazi poster coming from an "intellectual" shows those people are truly lost.
 
Do all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Do all the Greta fans here genuinely think that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?
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We've wiped out 60% of mammals, birds, fish and reptiles since the 70s.

I don't know what qualifies as a mass extinction event, but if one hasn't started we can't be far off
 
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