Nonscientific, group of people sharing a number of similarities in their opinions, sources information from few places.... The number of them that are religious compared to the average in their "habitat" are really overrepresented. Then again the same could be argued regarding the lack of education, but that is another discussion.
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Nonscientific, group of people sharing a number of similarities in their opinions, sources information from few places.... The number of them that are religious compared to the average in their "habitat" are really overrepresented. Then again the same could be argued regarding the lack of education, but that is another discussion.
Could of been one of many MP's, including our education secretary.
Appalling government.
That's implied in my opening sentence, it's the current existence were killing or cutting short our window of time here.
People are too willing to quote something out of context about a planetary body when it should be clear and go without saying we're killing the planet we know currently.
Have said in previous posts the planet and it's weather will brush us aside. The planet carries on. We don't need anyone to remind us.
If you read the previous page we had user Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær pointing this needless point out to Buster15 and I posted after it's about our current time, the parameters we enjoy today that's fragile. No-one needs the pedantic point the planet carries on.
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Sorry, I was making a bad cnut/cult joke. I am very on your, and the kid's, side.
Not trying to be pedantic. I was just feeling morose.
Whether the world changes or not, she's a damn impressive kid.
True. We're also taking a massive chunk of fellow organisms with us though.
Some interesting and valid points in this:
Yeah but he's largely being pedantic and plugging his book. This isn't a political body with a manifesto they'll enact it's a protest movement raising awareness, no one was protesting for any such manifesto they're protesting generally for more action.
I find people like this unhelpful.
i find Tory think tanks unhelpful too
It's a pointless pointscoring exercise as far as I can see. The economy is largely the reason we're in the predicament we are so going "we can't earn money anymore" and "this is just socialism masked as environmentalism" isn't helpful at all and just serves to muddy the waters for anyone who's on the fence about climate change.
It's all a big scam unfortunately.
90 % of the masses that are "protesting" are young people having a big get-together and a reason to party.
If you are a parent and your child wants your permission to participate in such a school strike on Fridays, please don't forget to tell him that New Year's Eve fireworks are out of question and his time on the Playstation will be cut and no new phone until his old one is completely broken in 10 years. Also no holiday flights. Because either you are serious about it and know what you want to protest for or you don't go. You don't fake-participate to miss school or have a big party with friends. Actions have consequenses and children should be taught that.
The Green politicians in Germany are the ones with the most flight mileages in the parliament. All politicians are driven around in armored S class luxury cars.
The big faces of these movements use it for personal gains. The "German Greta Thunberg", Luisa Neubauer, had her Instagram profile full of pictures with pointless trips around the word, posing around everywhere and showing off. She's deleted them all and went on to TV to preach less flying to rescue the planet. She's got a job as a columnist for a big newspaper now as a 23 year old student who hasn't done anything in her life other than holding her face into a camera to preach.
And the solution is what now? People shall pay additional taxes. Great. All the while Germany is producing 1.5 % of the world wide CO2 emissions (entire EU 9 %). The countries that don't give a feck like India, China and the US produce 50 % of it.
These "movements" are the type of shit initiated by a small priviledged group that strengthens all sort of right wing movements across the world. There are FAR more people not willing to accept paying more and getting less and compromise than there are Western urban liberals willing to turn Vegetarian just because a priviledged media hyped child is preaching on TV.
90 % of the masses that are "protesting" are young people having a big get-together and a reason to party.
If you are a parent and your child wants your permission to participate in such a school strike on Fridays, please don't forget to tell him that New Year's Eve fireworks are out of question and his time on the Playstation will be cut and no new phone until his old one is completely broken in 10 years. Also no holiday flights. Because either you are serious about it and know what you want to protest for or you don't go. You don't fake-participate to miss school or have a big party with friends. Actions have consequenses and children should be taught that.
The Green politicians in Germany are the ones with the most flight mileages in the parliament. All politicians are driven around in armored S class luxury cars.
The big faces of these movements use it for personal gains. The "German Greta Thunberg", Luisa Neubauer, had her Instagram profile full of pictures with pointless trips around the word, posing around everywhere and showing off. She's deleted them all and went on to TV to preach less flying to rescue the planet. She's got a job as a columnist for a big newspaper now as a 23 year old student who hasn't done anything in her life other than holding her face into a camera to preach.
And the solution is what now? People shall pay additional taxes. Great. All the while Germany is producing 1.5 % of the world wide CO2 emissions (entire EU 9 %). The countries that don't give a feck like India, China and the US produce 50 % of it.
These "movements" are the type of shit initiated by a small priviledged group that strengthens all sort of right wing movements across the world. There are FAR more people not willing to accept paying more and getting less and compromise than there are Western urban liberals willing to turn Vegetarian just because a priviledged media hyped child is preaching on TV.
What an absolute dick thing to say.
It's like saying people should voluntarily pay more taxes instead of changing the tax system such that everyone pays more now and in the future. It doesn't help that the people protesting cut out their flights if the system doesn't change. People protest to change the system, to get the political leaders to act.
Pulling a one-off student turned columnist out of your arse doesn't change that.
yeah really valid how he makes the logical leap that climate justice and reparations obviously means that because Britain invented the industrial revolution Britain is the one that is going to have to pay for all this.
Its a load of nonsense written entirely for his middle aged, British, conservative following.
so tldr if you want to protest about the system, you can't partake in it
what do you suggest we do instead?
What is it that is scam?
It is pretty much universally accepted that climate change is the biggest problem facing humanity.
It is also clear that the world leaders will do as little as possible to pretend that they care and simply go through the motions with unceasing talk but no significant action.
It is also clear that it is not just the normal peoples and nations who are protesting.
And because it is a global problem these protests are global; big, small, rich and poor.
As far as I am aware, nobody is talking about taxing people more. The changes needed are behavioural.
I applaud the protestors. Each and every one of them and for whatever reason and for whatever motivation.
And I feel sorry for people who see this as a scam motivated by money.
Open your eyes and open your mind.
Climate change is not something that is going to happen.
It is already happening and will affect you as much as me.
It's funny to see the various attempts to discredit the movement. They feel so small time and pitiful.
Them taking aim at Greta has made that painfully clear. Grown men and women claiming her mum has Munchhausen by Proxy, that Greta’s being manipulated and abused, that it’s irresponsible to allow someone on the spectrum to do this... so many shameless fecks who will engage with anything but the points Greta is raising.
The way she refuses to engage and just stays on message is absolutely incredible. She’s an inspiration.
You shouldn't need to agree with the effectiveness of every aspect of every "solution" put forward to see the value of mass global protests like this.
As for the deeply cynical view of whether young people actually care about social issues, that's just base cuntery that displays a total ignorance of what young people are actually like.
As for the deeply cynical view of whether young people actually care about social issues, that's just base cuntery that displays a total ignorance of what young people are actually like.
It's all mass hysteria. Half the planet is still waiting to have access to full electricity, TV, cars - anything resembling Western living standards and no one can do anything about it.
10 years ago in China there were less cars than in Germany despite almost 20 times the population. In less than 10 years that number has almost quadrupled. China alone is increasing its CO2 emissions every year by the same number that the whole of Germany is producing. One Germany on top every year.
Has anyone ever calculated what the US and its military complex with 900 bases all around the world is emitting?
India, Brazil, Turkey?
Population explosion in Africa?
Why did the yellow west protestors in France riot again initially?
Yet when the faces of these demonstrations are asked directly what we should do specifically what is the answer? I have to get educated by a 23 year old Instagram traveler to fly less and the answer of politicians is to have more taxes on fuel or flights. Western media has even invented the term "flight shame".
We live in times of idiocracy.
Wait, it's mass hysteria but you've just listed a bunch of reasons that will exacerbate the issue?
All the more reason to figure out a way to live which limits our impact on the climate, surely?
You’ve never seen these points raised? I know I have.
Just because mainstream media doesn’t get all the nuances and angles across doesn’t make all this idiotic hysteria. There are plenty of people engaging with this problem who recognise what you say. However, it’s hard for a western nation to do much about a growing middle class in China. What we can do is get our own bloody house in order.
You’re pretty much engaging in whataboutism. Do you want us to nevermind everything, or are you wanting stronger and more varied measures to combat climate change?
It's going to be really hard to fix, so let's just not do anything about it. Gotcha.
Ah yes, the classic "Idiocracy is becoming a documentary" claim, forever a sign of lazy (and bad) analysis.
Ah yes, the classic "Idiocracy is becoming a documentary" claim, forever a sign of lazy (and bad) analysis.
Whataboutism at its finest right here.
Yes we do and its because of people like you.
Pretty much. The only legitimate criticism would be on what shes saying but the only thing she says is 'read the science'. Its funny that they think digging up dirt on a 15 year old is going to give them some traction.
It's pretty clear Greta's mum has an unhealthy relationship with her daughter's fame, but ultimately that doesn't change what Greta herself stands for.
The already converted are definitely lapping it up. Met a climate skeptic out on the town yesterday, when I mentioned Greta he immediately started angling towards her being cynically used.
Yeah, that’s my thinking as well.
Everything you have said shows why it is that ordinary people need to lead the protests. Our leaders are not going to do anything like enough to make any difference.
Regarding China, you are right. However, resulting from the awful atmospheric pollution China is actually leading the transition to renewable energy sources.
I have spent some time working in Munich and I fully appreciate how environmentally responsible they are. UK is also taking a lead by passing legislation to be carbon nutral by 2050.
That way they can influence other nations to do much more.
They're cheerleaders, they'd lap up any old shit. Like the example you used which might be true but has absolutely 0 relevance to the actual issue
This guy was talking up a storm about the hockey stick and the Milenkovitch (sp?) cycle. Dude worked in IT and I asked him if he’s talked to anybody in the field. No such luck, and yet he was so confident that I’d been duped.
Ugh... so many of those fecks around.
We don't do nothing about it though. Europe is getting more efficient and technologically advanced. 10 years ago I had 60 Watt lightbulbs hanging in every room, now it's 7 Watt LEDs. Modern cars like a BMW 520d can do 4.5 liters/100 km (52 miles per gallon) despite 190 bhp and 2 tons (proper car where you can take the wife, your 2 kids and the dog to holidays). 15 years ago these regions were celebrated like a revolution (3 Liter Lupo, which wasn't even a proper car). All my electronic devices are A+ upwards.
Emissions are decreasing every year in modern Europe. The whole of Europe is responsible for 9 % (and decreasing) of all CO2 emissions in the world. If people want to protest against wastefulness they should start doing so in the US, China, India.
It is not "whataboutism" (terrible word to hide hypocrisy). If the door of your car is falling off you don't start discussing polish wax and how to remove the scratch on the bonett in the best way possible.
Greta is already learning that no one in the US cares. How many did she gather infront of the White House again? 200 (half of them media people and curious bystanders)? And why would they? They don't do anything about guns even with hundreds of mass shootings every year. What do they care about climate?
Mayweather vs Pacquiao visitors parking their "vehicles":
I'm sorry but when this is the state of the world I'm not going to be more papist than the pope and feel "flight shame" or stop driving or stop eating meat.
That 9% is still double the population percentage of Europe overall, though. If we continue to have a much higher carbon footprint per person than developing countries then what will incentivise them to do otherwise themselves?We don't do nothing about it though. Europe is getting more efficient and technologically advanced. 10 years ago I had 60 Watt lightbulbs hanging in every room, now it's 7 Watt LEDs. Modern cars like a BMW 520d can do 4.5 liters/100 km (52 miles per gallon) despite 190 bhp and 2 tons (proper car where you can take the wife, your 2 kids and the dog to holidays). 15 years ago these regions were celebrated like a revolution (3 Liter Lupo, which wasn't even a proper car). All my electronic devices are A+ upwards.
Emissions are decreasing every year in modern Europe. The whole of Europe is responsible for 9 % (and decreasing) of all CO2 emissions in the world. If people want to protest against wastefulness they should start doing so in the US, China, India.
It is not "whataboutism" (terrible word to hide hypocrisy). If the door of your car is falling off you don't start discussing polish wax and how to remove the scratch on the bonett in the best way possible.
Greta is already learning that no one in the US cares. How many did she gather infront of the White House again? 200 (half of them media people and curious bystanders)? And why would they? They don't do anything about guns even with hundreds of mass shootings every year. What do they care about climate?
Mayweather vs Pacquiao visitors parking their "vehicles":
I'm sorry but when this is the state of the world I'm not going to be more papist than the pope and feel "flight shame" or stop driving or stop eating meat.
Your post is the absolute definition of whataboutism.
Absolutely shameful how some are treating this brave girl.
11 years is not a lot of time.
After that there is no turning back.
It was really inspiring to see those girls in Kabul surrounded but a small army, under threat from the Taliban, marching for a better future. These images always make me feel like such a lazy cnut.
But at least I'm not trying to argue against those marching and raising awareness, now that would be really sad.
But at least I'm not trying to argue against those marching and raising awareness, now that would be really sad.
Maybe. The points I found valid were the ones pointing out the denial of nuclear and geo engineering. My view is all technological solutions need to be on the table now. I don’t think we can deal with the gravity of the situation without them.
No problem. Sorry if I went off on one.
You forget that China and others are making stuff for Europe. Western way of living creates a vicious circle of pollution.
People and countries will have to lead by example. Nothing will happen if we keep pointing at so and so who are actually making all our stuff we consume.