Climate Change | UN Report: Code Red for humanity
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You literally cited something as part of your argument, that said you were wrong, and when somebody quoted your source back to you you replied saying 'why would I read this rubbish, look at all the mistakes it has' when you were the one who quoted it to fecking begin with. You're an absolute clown.
You're the one who ignores the arguments, I see post after post after post where you're refuted and you just ignore it and move on, or you quote a post refuting you and ask a completely unrelated question that had nothing to do with anything in an attempt to move on from your mistakes.
110 million quid was spent improving flood defences east of the barrier at the same time. Plus the barrier is often raised to hold flood waters in the Thames from moving downstream from the west when there is a high tide raising water levels from the east. This protects those areas east of the barrier as a high tide plus flood waters would cause flooding there.
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Do you think that he is Trump climate change advisor.
His ability to be utterly wrong about everything is spectacular.
It's special, that's for sure.
He seems to have disappeared, was he banned?
Its like trying to convince someone who insists the World is flat, when it has been proven wrong.
Why bother?
Obviously this guy must be some paid bot of the fossil fuel industry. Except there are a lot of knowledgeable people at the Caf.
Why bother?
Obviously this guy must be some paid bot of the fossil fuel industry. Except there are a lot of knowledgeable people at the Caf.
He earns his money if he is. He retweets climate stuff at a fair pace along with commenting all over the internet on articles about it.
Pro Trump and pro Brexit too it seems.
Oh, it seems he's blocked me 
Maybe he's blocked us all and that's why he's not replying.
Maybe he's blocked us all and that's why he's not replying.
Who would have guessed?
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First of all, thanks to all those who answered Mark, I've learned quite a bit reading these last couple of pages, although I admit I didn't understand some of it. When it gets too technical, I just have to believe the majority of those who know what they're talking about.
It'll probably never change Mark's mind, but I guess a lot of people like me are just reading and learning and not commenting, so it's important to answer, online there will always be a silent audience learning and building "mental defences" to know how to spot fake arguments when they see them elsewhere.
Quick question, how can see levels be rising differently in different places? Is it just oceanic currents or is there something else at play?
It'll probably never change Mark's mind, but I guess a lot of people like me are just reading and learning and not commenting, so it's important to answer, online there will always be a silent audience learning and building "mental defences" to know how to spot fake arguments when they see them elsewhere.
Quick question, how can see levels be rising differently in different places? Is it just oceanic currents or is there something else at play?
Well said. You never know who is reading. Even if it's only one person whose mind you can change in a positive way, then it was all worth it.
As for your question:
https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/explainer-why-sea-level-rise-rate-varies-globally
The sea is coming for the land. In the 20th century, ocean levels rose by a global average of about 14 centimeters (some 5.5 inches). Most of that came from warming water and melting ice. But the water didn’t rise the same amount everywhere. Some coastal areas saw more sea level rise than others. Here’s why:
Swelling seawater
As water heats up, its molecules spread out. That means warmer water takes up slightly more space. It’s just a tiny bit per water molecule. But over an ocean, it’s enough to bump up global sea levels.
Local weather systems, such as monsoons, can add to that ocean expansion.
Monsoons are seasonal winds in southern Asia. They blow in from the southwest in summer, usually bringing a lot of rain. Monsoon winds also make the ocean waters circulate. This brings cool water from the bottom up to the surface. That keeps the surface ocean cool. But weaker winds can limit that ocean circulation.
Weaker monsoons in the Indian Ocean, for instance, are making the ocean surface warmer, scientists now find. Surface waters in the Arabian Sea warmed more than usual and expanded. That raised sea levels near the island nation of the Maldives at a slightly faster rate than the global average. Scientists reported these findings in 2017 in Geophysical Research Letters.
Land a-rising
Heavy ice sheets — Glazers — covered much of the Northern Hemisphere about 20,000 years ago. The weight of all that ice compressed the land beneath it in areas such as the northeastern United States. Now that this ice is gone, the land has been slowly rebounding to its former height. So in those areas, because the land is rising, sea levels appear to be rising more slowly.
But regions that once lay at the edges of the ice sheets are sinking. These areas include the Chesapeake Bay on the East Coast of the United States. That’s also part of a postglacial shift. The weight of the ice had squeezed some underlying rock in the mantle — the semisolid rock layer below the Earth’s crust. That caused the surface of the land around the Chesapeake Bay to bulge. It’s a bit like the bulging of a water bed when a person sits on it. Now, with the ice gone, the bulge is going away. That’s speeding up the impacts of sea level rise for the communities that sit atop it.
Lots of factors, local and worldwide, can affect how quickly seas will rise in different places. This 2018 map shows how fast the seas are rising and falling. The arrows indicate that sea levels are rising faster on the East Coast of the United States than on its West Coast.
RJGC, ESRI, HERE, NOAA, FAO, AAFC, NRCAN
Land a-falling
Earthquakes can make land levels rise and fall. In 2004, a magnitude-9.1 earthquake made land in the Gulf of Thailand sink. That has worsened the rate of sea level rise in this area. Adding to the problem are some human activities, such as pumping up groundwater or drilling for fossil fuels. Each process can cause the local land to sink.
The spin of the Earth
Earth spins at about 1,670 kilometers (1,037 miles) per hour. That’s fast enough to make the oceans move. Ocean water swirls clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and counterclockwise in the Southern Hemisphere. (This is due to a process known as the Coriolis effect.) As water moves around coastlines, the Coriolis effect can make water bulge in some places, and sink in others. The flow of water from rivers can exaggerate this effect. As their waters flow into the ocean, that water gets pushed to one side by the swirling currents. That makes water levels in that area rise more than on the side behind the current. Scientists reported that finding in the July 24 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Glazers begone
Melting Glazers also can add water to the oceans. But these huge ice slabs affect sea levels in other ways, too.
Huge Glazers can exert a gravitational tug on nearby coastal waters. That pull piles up water near the Glazers, making it higher than it otherwise would be. But when those Glazers melt, they lose mass. Their gravitational pull is now weaker than it had been. So the sea level near the melting Glazers drops.
But all that melted water has to go somewhere. And that can lead to some surprising effects, according to a 2017 report in Science Advances. Melting ice in Antarctica, for instance, could actually make sea levels rise faster near distant New York City than in nearby Sydney, Australia.
Oh, it seems he's blocked me
Maybe he's blocked us all and that's why he's not replying.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say. I can’t say I have ever come across a climate change denier either online or in real life before, I thought most (all) rational people accepted climate change as fact these days.
I met one a couple of weeks ago. Thinks it is simply a ploy by scientists to get funding and then backed it up with "and if I'm wrong who cares as I'll be dead before things get really bad".
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Even the favourite channel of Fossil Fuel Candidates, MSNBC has a policy that says Climate Change is decided science and it will not have climate change deniers talking about whether climate change is real or not.
Not banned. Has been back but has gone silent.
Cheers, thanks for that, fascinating stuff. I wish I had paid more attention to science classes in high school.
Mark's graphs backtracking was fun and satisfying, admit it people
It’s a bit tragic if anything. I don’t understand how someone can tell people to be open minded but be so closed minded themselves.
I liked the bit were he didn't even understand how the Thames Barrier protects him and everyone east and west of the barrier when he lives in London (unless I'm confusing him with someone else and he doesn't, in much the same way he confuses the direction of axes).
Are you qualified to say that?
No
I have, however, had a girlfriend who was studying climate change and went on to do a post doctoral degree in it school me on just how many angles they’ve examined this from.I wish I had the mind for studying some branch or science, but minutae tends to make my brain seize up once I’m past a certain point. But at least I know enough to know that I’m deeply ignorant of most fields of inquiry, and that a 98% consensus is pretty darn solid.
I liked the bit where he didn’t get why a few degrees change in climate over a hundred years is more devastating than the fact that back in the Jurassic we had an average well above that. The man doesn’t even get the basics of evolution.
No
I wish I had the mind for studying some branch or science, but minutae tends to make my brain seize up once I’m past a certain point. But at least I know enough to know that I’m deeply ignorant of most fields of inquiry, and that a 98% consensus is pretty darn solid.
But is she an expert on boggled minds?
Or are you a journalist. Or something?
More seriously knowing what you don't know is hugely important and at least as Important as knowing what you do.
Only question burning in my mind is, how did he get out of this without a tagline?!
I nominate: "breathes water"
I nominate: "breathes water"
Oh! Is the journalism bit a Spaced reference?
I think I’m a decent expert with regards to my own mind. If I’m under any delusions, I do have a wife with an MA in psychology who has no issue telling me just where I’m wrong
so I might ask her to take a look and see if my mind is boggled later.And if nothing else I treasure my incomplete education for making me fathom that Socratic principle.
It really is one of the great ironies that those who know so little are so certain, whereas those who know a lot are so riddled with doubt. Us humans as a species really are toddlers playing with loaded guns.
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Oh! Is the journalism bit a Spaced reference?
I think I’m a decent expert with regards to my own mind. If I’m under any delusions, I do have a wife with an MA in psychology who has no issue telling me just where I’m wrong
And if nothing else I treasure my incomplete education for making me fathom that Socratic principle.
It really is one of the great ironies that those who know so little are so certain, whereas those who know a lot are so riddled with doubt. Us humans as a species really are toddlers playing with loaded guns.
No. He accused us all of being journalists earlier in the thread. I assume in his mind this is an insult of some sort.
That rant was crazy.
Anyway, my mind is boggled, I’m 98% sure. You can challenge that if you like, just make sure you don’t misread any pie charts before putting me in my place.
Tragic is the word. This experience hasn't made a dent on him.
I went a bit down a rabbit hole of climate denyers on Twitter in the wake of this thread. Really makes me sad for the human race. Especially the attacks on the Swedish girl Greta are fecking grating to read. It's also quite telling that these people all have the exact same points of view on:
Brexit
Immigration
Climate
Trump
LGBT rights
I hope it's just a very vocal minority, but xenophobe cnuts winning elections all over the world lately make me sort of doubt that. I just don't understand why people want to be such hateful cnuts. Is it really so hard to raise someone as a normal caring person?
Brexit
Immigration
Climate
Trump
LGBT rights
I hope it's just a very vocal minority, but xenophobe cnuts winning elections all over the world lately make me sort of doubt that. I just don't understand why people want to be such hateful cnuts. Is it really so hard to raise someone as a normal caring person?
It certainly was.
In one of his statements about the ice caps increasing in mass I reminded him that ice is lighter than liquid water so did he mean mass or volume.
Suffice it to say that he did not reply.
Mark also seems pro Orban.
He must be delighted that his idol is visiting this country.
Does anyone on here do things to help prevent climate change? Even the smallest actions can make a difference. I’ve stopped taking my car to work, cycle or walk up a massive hill. (Unless I’m on call then I need the car) Our house is trying to go as plastic free as much as possible, unfortunately some of it is un preventable. And we’ve decided not to have any more kids.
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No kids and have got a vasectomy. Also halved my consumption of meat. Don’t need a car either.
Just edited my post about the kids, we’ve just the one. More than enough.
Deffo worth mentioning, considering the footprint a human accumulates. And yet it’s almost an untouchable subject when talking climate change. You don’t see it mentioned in the media.
If you get down to it then should we actually be turning our back on internationalism and moving back towards localism and a more simple lifestyle?
Surely capitalism is the primary driver of climate change.
Us western middle class folk are probably the worst offenders about with all the travelling and general consumption that we partake in.