Meh...Politics ain't it?!
Couldn't give a feck who or what Fergie likes now. The future is bright now, after those three horrid years. Let's look forward, not back
Clearing up some myths about Roy Keane
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Meh...Politics ain't it?!
Couldn't give a feck who or what Fergie likes now. The future is bright now, after those three horrid years. Let's look forward, not back
'Twas sarcasm, mate.
Should've added a bit of white text, in fairness - it's not easy to keep track of who's messing with who these days.
You say sarcasm but, I reckon there is a hint of truth to it. Ego can be vicious
Yeah, well - that's your opinion. It certainly wasn't meant as anything but sheer sarcasm on my part.
To be fair I always had you pegged as a sensible one so I half thought it may be a parody.
I don't doubt Fergie is good at playing the game to his advantage and can scheme with the best of them. The problem I have with most of these scenarios is that they're really, really shit. It makes zero sense.
I have never seen a hint of credible evidence that Fergie has actively worked against the appointment of Mourinho – much less on the grounds we're talking about here, i.e. that he's trying to protect his own legacy by opposing a first class manager (who might conceivably win a trophy or two).
It sounds like utter bollocks to me and it's usually peddled by people who don't like Fergie very much to begin with.
I like Fergie myself, and make no secret of that. I don't think he's a saint, though, or that he never made questionable decisions – or that he doesn't have an ego. But I don't think he's a petty man - and I see no reason to entertain baseless conspiracy theories.
It sounds like utter bollocks to me and it's usually peddled by people who don't like Fergie very much to begin with.
I like Fergie myself, and make no secret of that. I don't think he's a saint, though, or that he never made questionable decisions – or that he doesn't have an ego. But I don't think he's a petty man - and I see no reason to entertain baseless conspiracy theories.
I think he was one of the first names on everyone's all time XI's back in the day.......But Keano has that bi-polar thing going where he can say the wrong thing every now and again and can come of as a bit of a nutter even though it was that fearless bi-polar thing that made him so influentential and fearless......So many of his old teammates often say in the media frequently that he was the best they played with........When he had all that war with Fergie then suddenly I noticed Robson had started to overtake him again in everyone's all time XI's. At the end of the day if you're from Wales then you will say Giggs was the best ever....From Lisbon then you'll say Ronnie....from England you'll say Scholes and if you're from Ireland then you'll probably say Keane was easily best ever
I got permission first mate. I didn't straight out plagiarise it
Did you not get enough attention on Reddit?
Great player, but a tit of a man. Clear anger management issues.
I don’t differentiate whether it’s Ferguson, Cantona or Keane deliberately taking out a player. So you could probably explain better than me why each incident is treated differently. There must be bias involved in it and a couple of reasons for that I would suggest are: -
1) Media coverage is more widespread and intrusive now than it ever has been. Keane was a fiery and confrontational character on the pitch and our TV screens every week, therefore everything he has done since becomes a lazy caricaturization of that. There’s nothing like a pantomime villain to sell a story. It’s just a shame some United fans buy it.
2) The Ferguson/Keane fall out (aka media created battle of hero/pantomime villain) has presented a situation where supporters feel the need to pick a side. There can be only one winner but in my opinion it’s a false dilemma to start with – there is a middle argument that both Ferguson and Keane did what they had to do.
The result is, when some supporters now discuss the Haaland incident, they see Keane as that media caricaturization/pantomime villain and instantly condemn him (boo, hisssss). In contrast, when Ferguson hatchets down an opposition player, because of his enormous success, he is seen as a hero. Cantona also gets away with his indiscretions because somehow he has this public image of a cool, calm Frenchman who comes out with philosophical quotes – which is rubbish because he’s actually more of a hot head than Keane has ever been.
Fecking mad man (and genius), but it doesn't tarnish his legacy in the same way it has done for Keane.
No. This is silly. Are you a City supporter? Are you connected to Haaland? Is that why you denigrate Keane?
I promote Keane only because I believe it's in the interest of United that he has a role back at the club – and that is absolutely true; I wouldn't have started this thread otherwise. But it's an interesting one, thinking about it a little more. For me, Keane more than any other player represents the fabric of United, the heart and soul of the club that I knew for 25 years. I look at the club now, the last three years, and I do wonder, is Roy Keane more Manchester United than, well... Manchester United? That is what's driving me - I don't recognise us as the same club since Ferguson left. I'd like to see Manchester United back – Keane has that United DNA.
I don't view this as a negative; I don't want “precious little creatures” or prima donas at the club. I certainly don't want rubbish like Agbonlahor, or even Januzaj after Nicky Butt's comments about his application. I want professionals who train hard to be the best and do it because they want to be recognised as such. I don't want players more interested in social media or who are in it only to pick up their paycheck. I want men representing the club. Keane would have no problem with the likes of Martial and Rashford who appear dedicated professionals, but he wouldn't tolerate a Januzaj or a Depay or any other player not 100% focussed on the task – they can shape up or get out - and that's a good thing in my view.
Why is it important that he has a role here?
It's called comparsion – it helps to put things in perspective. And I didn't “scream” anything, sorry if you thought that. I'm just saying perhaps it is unfair that Ferguson, Cantona and Keane should be treated differently for the same action, i.e. taking out an opposition player.
I'm not pulling you up on anything, I'm sharing my views and attempting discussion. I'm sure I don't need to stick to only the points you raise in doing that. Likewise, anyone else can respond with what they want – you might notice very few comments on the thread have actually addressed anything in my OPs – and it doesn't matter if I like it or not. The only one trying to tell anyone what they can or can't write here is you. Get a grip man. But for the record, I enjoyed reading your last post.
Change the thread title to Scholes/Neville or Giggs and they'll be tickling your wotsits
Jesus Christ, I'd best be leaving the thread title as it is then
Thanks for that, Rossi. If people want to say Keane has certain traits of being a cnut then yeah, I can understand that. But to say the man is a cnut [fullstop] is a little short-sighted and ignores the big picture; not least all of the charity work and time out he has taken for good causes.
Jesus Christ, I'd best be leaving the thread title as it is then
Thanks for that, Rossi. If people want to say Keane has certain traits of being a cnut then yeah, I can understand that. But to say the man is a cnut [fullstop] is a little short-sighted and ignores the big picture; not least all of the charity work and time out he has taken for good causes.
Ah he's an awful human being though....Worst of the worst apparently.
As I said, I completely understand those who hate or dislike him over comments made over the club. United before anyone else as far as I'm concerned. It's easy to understand and I personally get it.
Change Keane's name to Neville/Scholes or Giggs in the title and half the people in this thread will be praising you though
"Ooo our Nev is so red!! He needed to do that to Haaland. Cheeky Robbo haha he was right to egg him on and encourage him"
They'll call Keane out over something he said years ago, when he was angry and hurt but, they don't dare to call Neville the bullshitter, that he is, over running De Gea's name through the mud and bigging up Joe Hart...Not just after one match, but over the course of two years.....If Keane said that though
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He kicked Haaland's right leg.....Haaland done his other leg the following week. Nowt to do with Keane
He got a ban, a massive fine and never done any damage to Haaland. He failed in his mission anyways. I was at that match and Haaland was fine....So fine that he taunted some of our supporters afterwards
You should probably be a bit clearer. He clearly injured his left leg that day. However you I think are talking about Haalands career ending injury.
Read above....Haaland was fine that day and taunted United fans at the full time whistle. I was there, I seen him. He played the following week, without any issue or injury
But yeah....Don't let that stop you. Keane destroyed his life. He gets free Opel Fruits for life now. Poor Alf can't even walk to the fridge without the thoughts of Keane coming at him with a guillotine
I never said any of that or ever insinuated anything along those lines.
I was responding to what I thought was a comment on keanes tackle that day. You were talking about Haalands career ending injury which Keane had nothing about.
The bolded bit above is a great example of what a complete numpty you have always been on here. Dont pick your nose kid, your head will cave in. Muppet.
Oh please...You were clearly going that way. Don't bullshit me.
But go on though....Feel free to keep insulting me. Makes a change that you do it in public now instead of PMing me
I wondered when the "Roy with a dying kid" card would be played
I wondered when the "Roy with a dying kid" card would be played
fecking hell.....That is actually low. From you especially, who is usually a top guy
That is actually a disgraceful remark
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Yeah, maybe. The shame is I'm sure Keane only came out with his comment, “they have wiped me from their history and I have wiped them from mine” because he was hurting. He even refers in that interview to, “at the business end what these clubs can do to people”.
It's like a relationship breakup you never wanted. There comes a point where it hurts too much and so you go the opposite of what you really believe just to get some distance and escape it: “Feckin bitch, I wouldn't touch her with a barge-pole”.
Then a few more years pass until you get over it properly and can look back objectively: “I loved everything about United — the badge, the history, the pressures, the supporters, Old Trafford. Everything about it I loved.”
In what way?
Because those players haven't had their fair share of abuse on the forum?
Very few are actually talking about Haaland. I don't particularly care about it and haven't mentioned it once for example. Keane's legacy hasn't been tarnished at all. He's still viewed as the great player he always was. The affection from some fans just isn't the same as it once was. Because he, unlike the others he's being compared to, said he didn't care about United anymore. He allowed his problems with the manager to effect what he said. That he's changed his mind just because the person he doesn't like isn't here anymore makes it worse for me. But everybody has bias. Yourself included.
Scholes for his punditry. It's absolutely awful. He's one of the worst around. Anything else he gets abuse for is ridiculous
Please tell me where I have implied that people can't or shouldn't post here. The question I merely asked is what prompted this thread?
Scream is meant figuratively not literally as you well know. As I said before you are an intelligent man and I think you know what I mean. Stop being pedantic.
What haven't I got a grip on? I'm baffled. You're taking the Roy Keane bandwagon on a world tour of internet forums and I need to get a grip. Deary me.
As a supporter of this great club for nearly 40 years I have a slightly different perspective about what represents the fabric of the club. But I really don't have an issue with what you believe. Just don't agree with all of it.
Btw. Thanks
Bollocks. What's low, and depressingly predictable, is using pics like that to drive an agenda.
And there'll be similar pics of all the players you, for example, routinely have a pop at whenever Keane or Irwin in particular come in for criticism.
Keep your faux moral outrage to yourself in future.
Well number 1, it wasn't me who posted the fecking picture so get your facts right.
Number 2, what the feck has Denis Irwin got to do with this? On the back foot are we?
You wanna belittle a pic of a sick child and Roy Keane, be my guest. I'm saying no more. Want no part in it
Friends don't let friends criticize Irwin.
!. I didn't say you did post it did I? Reread that bit.
2. You get all hysterical whenever Roy or Dennis come in for any perceived criticism. I say "perceived" because, a lot of the time, it's in your head as it is with the OP here and this supposed misrepresentation of Keane. It's plain downright odd but it's been your M.O. for some time here. You also invariably respond with your stock "What about the Cof92" whining as though that has any relevance whatsoever.
3. I haven't belittled anything other than the use of a picture such as that to take the moral high ground in a thread such as this.
4. I'm glad to hear you "want no part in it" because this thread would be immeasurably improved by your absence. I'm sure there's an Irish player in another thread somewhere who needs protecting from terrible misrepresentation so off you go.
It seems to me that there a lot of fans that feel Man Utd is their family and SAF is their dad. So, if a player has a feud with SAF, these fans take it personally. That's the feeling I get reading some posts against Keane.
Unreal. Height of ignorance.